Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)

2002-10-26 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2002-10-25 at 09:00, Oliver Thieke wrote: Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to

RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Mcleod, Ian
Somehow I think he is referring to more 'apparant' innovations than back room stuff - such as applications and interfaces - more on the consumer level or what the business customer would see - and I have to say that while MS is not known for honest practices or using it's own ideas - it certainly

RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread winisd
How expensive is USD 10 for standard version which is what most computer users will need ? Even the commercial version of Linux is cheaper than Windows, and this also depend on which MS we are talking about .Linux no innovation ?Well, maybe because there is too much innovation already build in

RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Franki
h, microsoft apparently thinks its innovative to buy software companies with software they couldn't write themselves... strange... Also, considering neither DOS or a GUI were microsoft ideas.. and that win2000 and XP contain alot of commands that relate back to unix versions.. and in fact

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Philip Webb
021024 Jim C wrote: Hmmm... correct me if I am wrong because I am not sure about this but didn't X-Window exist before the GUI Windows? yes, long before: it came out of Bell Labs, like most IT innovations. Apple put it into the consumer market with the Mac, which M$ then belatedly imitated

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Oliver Thieke
Hi List, hi Steve B. ;-) ! Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, Talking about a home environ he might be right. But in a corporate environ ? win2k and XP-Pro are there as complicated and difficult to administrate as LX/UX... The decisive difference is not the

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread winisd
Sorry guys, i have to keep this mail intact , so here's my rant. The notion of free market MONOPOLY is not evil , just as we drink Coke occasionally althought its not a health drink .But its about softdrinks, not something as important as a computer operating system where we are in this age of

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread winisd
So we have to support AMD more, afterall AMD is as American as ,Microsuck.Intel is the Devils advocate.We know who we are .,and dont forget that browsers technology of M$ is a clone of Mosaic and do M$ pay back to the world ?NO. Choong Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, hi Steve

RE: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Franki
I am starting to question the idea of us all supporting AMD, if transmeta made a good desktop processor comparable with Athlons or P4's I'd back them first... AMD are sucking up to M$ something bigtime, they have jumped on the Palladium bandwagon just like intel, they renamed their processor

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town(October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Charlie
On Friday 25 October 2002 12:55 pm, Franki wrote: I am starting to question the idea of us all supporting AMD, if transmeta made a good desktop processor comparable with Athlons or P4's I'd back them first... AMD are sucking up to M$ something bigtime, they have jumped on the Palladium

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread ET
On Friday 25 October 2002 02:26 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry guys, i have to keep this mail intact , so here's my rant. The notion of free market MONOPOLY is not evil , just as we drink Coke occasionally althought its not a health drink .But its about softdrinks, not something as

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002 18:00:39 +0200, Oliver Thieke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what about M$ ? Which innovations do they provide ? Declaring the web browser as a vital OS' component ? They just get it half-way right on the third attempt... And what about their innovations ? + C#:

Re: [expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-25 Thread winisd
Yes, you are right but i has been raise up in a third world condition untill now that we are in good shape nationally speaking but in a nation , your meaning of infrastructure will encompass telcos and here is why a free choice of OS mean a lot. So is solar power technology.In my childhood

[expert] No innovation in Linux / Steve Ballmer in town (October 22)

2002-10-24 Thread Mcleod, Ian
http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,5331307%5e15317%5e%5enbv%5e1 5306,00.html I REALLY like this bit Linux is very, very, very expensive for customers to take care of, he said. Linux is a cloned operating system - it cloned Unix and now it wants to clone Windows. It would be nice to