[FairfieldLife] Shivaratri Vedic Chanting MP3's

2006-02-05 Thread benjaminccollins
With Shivaratri coming up soon, I posted a series of MP3 files on www.puja.net so that anyone can download the sections of Yajur Veda that are traditionally chanted during Rudra Abishekam. Specifically you will find Rudram, Chamakam and other selections, plus transliterations and translations.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-02-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > wrote: > > > > > > Bob Brigante writes: > > > The centerpie

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shanti2218411" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > wrote: > > > > Bob Brigante writes: > > The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you > > seek that, the ugliness you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was:

2006-02-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Patrick Giliam writes: > You have an impulse to speak, and you don't know what > you're going to say, really -- you just start talking and > voila, a complete and occasionally correct thought comes out > in words, one after another. The impulse to speak was vague, > amporphous, but the sentence

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Nelson wrote: > > > > --- authfriend wrote: > > > > I sometimes find that I seem to know things I have no > > > "normal" basis for knowing. ... It's only when I stop and > > > ask myself, How do I know > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread lurkernomore20002000
> > > > I believe the umbilical cord delivers nutrients and > > carries away wastes, does it not? Fetuses surely do > > not void in utero. > > They may do so close to birth. I know people whose babies had serious > medical problems from getting feces in their lungs. Our daughter had a bowel mov

[FairfieldLife] Skeptics creed, by Wild Flora in Birch Hill

2006-02-05 Thread Rick Archer
1. 'Skepticism is the default position.' Skeptics do not feel any obligation to believe something just because we can't prove that it's NOT true. We believe that the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim: If you want me to believe something, you have the responsibility of providing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- Nelson wrote: > > --- authfriend wrote: > > I sometimes find that I seem to know things I have no > > "normal" basis for knowing. ... It's only when I stop and > > ask myself, How do I know > > this? that I realize there's a discrepancy, that it seems > > to have bypassed the usual routes by

[FairfieldLife] Re: Program on Sunday

2006-02-05 Thread gullible fool
> six people had TM-Sidhi or TM Advanced Technique consultations It sounds like the old gatherings in the dome to meet with the TM-sidhi administrators has given way to yet another way to make money. Anybody know anything about these consultations and what they cost? --- Michael Dean Goodman <[

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread shanti2218411
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Tom T: > > Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and > > always will be for the awake. Never has been anything else but Sat > > Yuga. Tom T > > > Kevin shanti2218411 w

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bed bugs and Intelligent Design.

2006-02-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "qntmpkt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- > > -Quite correct!...bravo. ID is also bad biological design since I > fail > to see any intelligence in the design of over 100,000 species of > beetles, or the poorly designed human body: back gives out, a very

[FairfieldLife] Bed bugs and Intelligent Design.

2006-02-05 Thread qntmpkt
--- -Quite correct!...bravo. ID is also bad biological design since I fail to see any intelligence in the design of over 100,000 species of beetles, or the poorly designed human body: back gives out, a very poor structure for walking. The internal organs are ineffieiently assembled within

[FairfieldLife] Choo Thomas, journeys to Heaven 17 times

2006-02-05 Thread qntmpkt
--- --- > > http://www.choothomas.com/details.html Heaven Is So Real! - THOMAS,CHOO R99.95 Do you believe heaven really exists? Choo Thomas retells a stunning, personal story of how she saw the living Christ, visited Hell, and walked in Heaven. "On January 19, 1996, I woke up at 3:00

[FairfieldLife] Choo Thomas visits Hell, sees people who aborted babies.

2006-02-05 Thread qntmpkt
--- from a website promoting her book "Heaven is so Real!". Choo states that she visited Hell once or twice, and that "many Orientals were there"...as well as her own mother. I sent away for the book, looks interesting; but being a Buddhist, I don't believe that her Mother is doomed forever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" > wrote: > > > There's a school of thought that individuals pick up > > thoughts the way radios pick up signals. Maybe we > > find ourselves surprised at tho

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: an amazing coincidence

2006-02-05 Thread qntmpkt
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], quantum pkt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Last night CNN news featured an amazing set of coincidences. The two persons - Penny and Kevin (their real first names) told what happened. 7 years ago Kevin, now about 20, was practicing hitting baseballs in a batting cage, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's a school of thought that individuals pick up > thoughts the way radios pick up signals. Maybe we > find ourselves surprised at thoughts and actions > because they're not really "ours." > > I got to thi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment,

2006-02-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Patrick Gillam wrote: > What do people think of this? Does it jibe with your experience? > > If so, it speaks to the influence of collective consciousness > on the individual. Vaj writes: I would add that they are simply non-local--that is they aren't exclusive to you. Therefore when a thought a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
> Tom T: > Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and > always will be for the awake. Never has been anything else but Sat > Yuga. Tom T > Kevin shanti2218411 writes: No doubt for the one who is awake it has always been Sat Yuga.However in the absence of a compassionat

[FairfieldLife] The internet and Fundamentalism

2006-02-05 Thread coshlnx
--- http://www.rushkoff.com/essay/playinggod.html Playing God *The Net and Fundamentalism* I saw a bumper sticker on a minivan in Wisconsin last week that read: "In case of rapture, this car will be empty!" I suppose that means that my car shall remain occupied. But I am less troubled by the

[FairfieldLife] The Buddhist art of Thangka.

2006-02-05 Thread coshlnx
--- http://www.thangka.ru/gallery_e.html --- End forwarded message --- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-02-05 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/5/06 4:34:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who> > asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and> > how they should live their lives. He used to say,> > "It is not a favor to the seeker to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-02-05 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/5/06 4:26:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least),> Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who> asked him questions about diet and lifestyle and> how they should live their lives. He

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-02-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Pr

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-02-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > In the early days (1967-69...early for me at least), > > Maharishi used to have a pat answer for people who > > asked him question

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM bonds -- too good to be true?

2006-02-05 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Is this not the OPPOSITE of the TM Program as taught back in > > > the '70s? I mean the total and complete opposite? > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread shanti2218411
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob Brigante writes: > The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you > seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned > for the Sat Yuga. > > Tom T: > Once on

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/5/06 11:24 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Comments interleaved below. > > -- Premanand Paul Mason wrote: >> >> The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement >> and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months >> he was confined in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bob Brigante writes: The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned for the Sat Yuga. Tom T: Once one wakes up

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Bob Brigante writes: > The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you > seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned > for the Sat Yuga. > > Tom T: > Once

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: [Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.]

2006-02-05 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock > wrote: > > > > Snoopy typing on his typewriter, "It was a dark and stormy > night.". is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel. > > Not quite.

[FairfieldLife] enlightenment through music

2006-02-05 Thread thoughtjewel
a blatant self promotion disguised as a spiritual topic: bambu will be playing a 45 minute set on tuesday feb 7th at gabe's in iowa city at 8 pm...it's a battle of the bands the winner of which will play at the wakarusa festival in lawrence kansas this summer to a crowd of 15- 20,000...come and

[FairfieldLife] enlightenment through music

2006-02-05 Thread thoughtjewel
a blatant self promotion disguised as a spiritual topic: bambu will be playing a 45 minute set on tuesday feb 7th at gabe's in iowa city at 8 pm...it's a battle of the bands the winner of which will play at the wakarusa festival in lawrence kansas this summer to a crowd of 15- 20,000...come and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it, > > > > one could use one's intuition. And again: > > > > > > How do you know your intuition h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Mon

2006-02-05 Thread tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
Bob Brigante writes: The centerpiece of Vedic culture is total awareness -- if you seek that, the ugliness you refer to goes away: i.e., stay tuned for the Sat Yuga. Tom T: Once one wakes up one realizes that it has always been Sat Yuga and always will be for the awake. Never has been anything e

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it, > > > one could use one's intuition. And again: > > > > How do you know your intuition has developed > > sufficiently to be able to evaluate claims for > > a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hendrix from Norway!?

2006-02-05 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > on 2/5/06 4:11 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > http://www.olestaveteig.com/ > > > > Lydklipp: Purple Haze , Foxy Lady! > > > > FL: "interesting" modulation...? > > Very good. Thanks. Have y

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it > would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi > text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within th

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Vaj
On Feb 5, 2006, at 12:13 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:What do people think of this? Does it jibe with your experience? If so, it speaks to the influence of collective consciousness on the individual. I would add that they are simply non-local--that is they aren't exclusive to you. Therefore when a t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it, > > > one could use one's intuition. And again: > > > > How do you know your intuition has developed > > sufficiently to be able to evaluate claims for > > a

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
I tend to agree with you. Guru Dev was definitely up for a joke - listen to the satsangs, his audience are almost wetting themselves. I played the longer one to a Hindi-speaking Indian friend, she just kept guffawing and ho-ho-ing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
Comments interleaved below. -- Premanand Paul Mason wrote: > > The Hindi word 'malamuutra' seems to mean mal+muutra i.e. 'excrement > and urine'. That is to say, Guru Dev was saying that for nine months > he was confined in his own filth. Neither translator thinks to > include mention of this r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hendrix from Norway!?

2006-02-05 Thread Rick Archer
on 2/5/06 4:11 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > http://www.olestaveteig.com/ > > Lydklipp: Purple Haze , Foxy Lady! > > FL: "interesting" modulation...? Very good. Thanks. Have you gone to his concerts? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-->

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes?

2006-02-05 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Where my mind stops is when I hear about people > > making 'mistakes'. > > What IS a mistake, anyway? I personally couldn't > > tell ya... > > Exactly. What

[FairfieldLife] Re: Spontaneous behavior in Enlightenment, was: Money Smuggling

2006-02-05 Thread Patrick Gillam
--- sparaig wrote: > > --- Rick Archer wrote: > > > > I've heard both Maharishi and local enlightened > > friends say that they're often surprised by the > > things they find themselves doing. ... > > Another friend said, "I was going to the post > office but found myself at the coffee shop," i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Curiously, amongst the old Indian laws are verses which are not really laws at all, verses which have just slipped into common parlance. I quote MMY:- Many people say, 'I am truthful and that's why people dislike me because I say something on their face.' Truth is not characterized by whips.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: [Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.]

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Snoopy typing on his typewriter, "It was a dark and stormy night.". is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel. Not quite. :-) Schultz was just paying homage to one of the most atrocious first l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: [Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.]

2006-02-05 Thread Jason Spock
  Archer Sir,  is it any worse than Witch-burning justice system in medival Europe, or the Penal system in Saudi-Arabia etc..etc Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:29:55 -0600  I think he was referring to things like the Manu Smriti, which is full of brutal punis

[FairfieldLife] Re: Money Smuggling, was: [Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.]

2006-02-05 Thread Jason Spock
    Snoopy typing on his typewriter,  "It was a dark and stormy night.". is considered, the world's greatest one-line novel. Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:29:41 -0600 Huckleberry Finn - generally regarded as the greatest American novel. Yahoo! Mail

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
> > Lacking personal experience, if one has developed it, > > one could use one's intuition. And again: > > How do you know your intuition has developed > sufficiently to be able to evaluate claims for > a phenomenon that you haven't experienced? I've given you the best answer I can already, tw

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > > wrote: > > > > > > As to supernatural powers and perceptions, I don't doubt that > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:43 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote: > >> > >>> The "grain of the evolution of the Kosmos" sou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Q. How does one distinguish apparently supernatural phenomena from > mere misperception or worse, another's attempt to mislead? > > A. By attempting to separate my suggestibility from the actuality of >

[FairfieldLife] How do we know when something 'supernatural' is going on?

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Some years back I visited India and spent some time with Dandi Swami Narayanand Saraswati, a disciple of Guru Dev, a gurubrother of MMY. I wrote up some of and many other meetings in 'Mala - A String of Unexpected Meeting'. This swami was in a state of 'maun' (a vow of silence) but I neverthele

[FairfieldLife] Raajas and Sanskrit

2006-02-05 Thread cardemaister
Maharishi Channel: raajas seem to have learned lots of Sanskrit expressions; some of them are still slightly struggling with their pronunciation... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > wrote: > > > > As to supernatural powers and perceptions, I don't doubt that > > supernatural phenomena has occurred within the context of my own > > e

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Q. How does one distinguish apparently supernatural phenomena from mere misperception or worse, another's attempt to mislead? A. By attempting to separate my suggestibility from the actuality of any given situation. It usually works for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Vaj
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:43 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote: The "grain of the evolution of the Kosmos" sounds an awful lot like a "standard," then. It also sounds a lot like action in accord

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was posing a question... originally about the duration > of 'enlightenment' - my point was that everything must be assumed to > be impermanent (temporary) until proved otherwise. I consider that > def

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote: > > > The "grain of the evolution of the Kosmos" sounds an > > awful lot like a "standard," then. > > > > It also sounds a lot like action in accord with the laws > > of natur

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
I was posing a question... originally about the duration of 'enlightenment' - my point was that everything must be assumed to be impermanent (temporary) until proved otherwise. I consider that defining enlightenment as permanent has no sound basis. On the other hand, I think it quite reasonable

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Vaj
On Feb 5, 2006, at 10:11 AM, authfriend wrote:The "grain of the evolution of the Kosmos" sounds an  awful lot like a "standard," then. It also sounds a lot like action in accord with the laws of nature. Well not really because people at different stages of development will experience and act tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm still not clear as to whether you are judging > how well the person is following his/her own internal > "ethics," or whether the person is following *your* > own internal "ethics." I understand. Life's a bitch s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Individual, internal ethics provides a "standard" only > > > > for the individual. > > > > > > And? > > > > > > Why should there be a "standard?" > > > > You were contrasting the Buddhist view of "ethics" > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A flying monkey and a shape shifting king of Lanka are quite > beautiful images to be found in the Ramayana. So too is the idea > that supernatural weapons might be used in warfare, in the place of > conv

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-05 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 2/5/06 1:04:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am teaching TM outside the TMO - and some of the people has been in contact with the TMO before they contact me. They do not care about MMY or the TMO - they just want to learn Transcendental M

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > Individual, internal ethics provides a "standard" only > > > for the individual. > > > > And? > > > > Why should there be a "standard?" > > You were contrasting the Buddhist view of "ethics" > with external "morality" as a standard. It refers > to my question above as to how one can jud

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A flying monkey and a shape shifting king of Lanka are quite > beautiful images to be found in the Ramayana. So too is the > idea that supernatural weapons might be used in warfare, in > the place of con

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > That works too, just doesn't have anything to do with ethical > > > > or moral 'mistakes'. I mean no'thing' can or does overshadow > > > > the Self, you just don't know that until you know that ;-) > > > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics > > comes from within and never changes; it implies a > > sensitivity to one's own internal "meter" of right > > and wro

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But what is considered ethical varies widely and changes > > > > constantly. Where do you find an unchanging standard? > > > > > > As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics > > > comes from within and ne

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
A flying monkey and a shape shifting king of Lanka are quite beautiful images to be found in the Ramayana. So too is the idea that supernatural weapons might be used in warfare, in the place of conventional and crude weaponry, to be found in the Bhagavadgita. But in the 21st century we tend to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics > > comes from within and never changes; it implies a > > sensitivity to one's own internal "meter" of right > > and wrong. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Thinking further on Guru Dev's biography, it occurs to me that it would be a good project to make an accurate translation of the Hindi text, or at least those quotations of Guru Dev contained within the text. I say this as I note that neither of the translaters have properly translated the phra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > That works too, just doesn't have anything to do with ethical > > > or moral 'mistakes'. I mean no'thing' can or does overshadow > > > the Self, you just don't know that until you know that ;-) > > > > Excellent point. The Self has *never* been overshadowed. > > There was never any 'progre

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Vaj
On Feb 5, 2006, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics comes from within and never changes; it implies a sensitivity to one's own internal "meter" of right and wrong.Yep, the whole theme of "relative bodhichitta" vs. "absolute bodhichitta".As Ken Wilber put

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
> > > But what is considered ethical varies widely and changes > > > constantly. Where do you find an unchanging standard? > > > > As the term is generally used in Buddhism, ethics > > comes from within and never changes; it implies a > > sensitivity to one's own internal "meter" of right > > and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is of note that rather than offering reasoned argument, you resort > to making a personal attack. You make this slight, concerning your > perception of my intelligence, but do not offer any cogent argum

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > I think MMY's definition of mistakes in this context is that > > > which > > > pr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > That lecture you downloaded yesterday, the section on > > > enlightenment and assholes, touc

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes?

2006-02-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "anonyff" wrote: > > > > The reason I think the conversation about the enlightened and their > > ability to supposedly not make mistakes is silly is because the > > information r

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes?

2006-02-05 Thread Peter
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Where my mind stops is when I hear about people > making 'mistakes'. > What IS a mistake, anyway? I personally couldn't > tell ya... Exactly. What is a mistake? It's simply a term used to indicate something we don't like.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) into English of material previously only avai

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman There are two published translations of the Hindi biography of Guru Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing The Real Thing' which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a precise translation) into English of material previously only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hendrix from Norway!?

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.olestaveteig.com/ > > Lydklipp: Purple Haze , Foxy Lady! > > FL: "interesting" modulation...? If you like this sort of thing (playing a guitar the way one plays the Chapman Stick, by hammering the stri

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: Discussion on GD

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
It amazes me that it is said that MMY inhibited the free flow of publication of Guru Dev's 'sermons'. After all, it was he who put together a book of quotations for publication ('Amrit Kana') and also announced:- "I appeal to your good sense to extend your valuable support so that his elevating

[FairfieldLife] Hendrix from Norway!?

2006-02-05 Thread cardemaister
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Evaluating spiritual topics is an open domain here where anyone, > regardless of standing, may profer opinion. > > It is of note that rather than offering reasoned argument, you > resort to making a pers

[FairfieldLife] To all TM-fighters: You are on the right path

2006-02-05 Thread Hagen J. Holtz
Dear friends in USA,   in the last weeks I did not find much time to read in your list, but a TM-teacher friend of mine, Jörg Dao, sent me the latest, "readiness for resistance" indicating messages regarding all the bald-faced acts of members of the old TM-Movement.   I only can tell you: B

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter > wrote: > > > > This and another point that got truncated are > > interesting legal points. The TMO never directly > > supported any TM teacher in any way whatsoever. They >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, there are far more "quality"posts now.

2006-02-05 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
Evaluating spiritual topics is an open domain here where anyone, regardless of standing, may profer opinion. It is of note that rather than offering reasoned argument, you resort to making a personal attack. You make this slight, concerning your perception of my intelligence, but do not offer a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari

2006-02-05 Thread Ingegerd
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > In March 2005 the TMO announced a "re-certification > > requirement" for all > > teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in > > job skills and it was all > > about money. Of the 40K teachers i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Can the enlightened make mistakes? was: Money Smuggling, was: Actually, ther

2006-02-05 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > I think MMY's definition of mistakes in this context is that > > which > > prevents or slows further growth towards higher states of > > consciousnes