[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bridge SE on Hulu

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Unlike Turq, I found both the SE and US versions compelling. I think they had Kruger dial back a little on the Aspergers syndrome a bit because with all the problem we've been having with bully cops in the US the idea that a police

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: LSD still comes in tabs? How would you know that? Perhaps you read about it on MSLSD. (disclaimer for the NSA snoops: I don't know nothin' bout nothin') Actually, speaking not from experience but from a fascinating article I once read on the

[FairfieldLife] Did God smite his only son?

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
[christ the redeemer] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/christ-the-redeemer-statue-da\ maged-lightning-storm-_n_4623550.html http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/01/18/christ-the-redeemer-statue-d\ amaged-lightning-storm-_n_4623550.html Here's a Can you say WTF? article for those who

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

2014-01-19 Thread Michael Jackson
you know, I never thought about it that way before, but I guess back in the 70's and 80's, TM WAS my religion. On Sun, 1/19/14, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. To: Richard

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

2014-01-19 Thread Share Long
Judy, first of all, I very much enjoy this kind of discussion so thank you. Secondly, I think I still have some issues with my Catholic upbringing and that those are coming into play here. Yes, I realize the two languages are expressing the same principle. But as you must well know, language

[FairfieldLife] Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
Celebrating 47 years of being on a kinda, sorta spiritual path this month (and a few years of being on less formal paths before that), I find myself thinking back and wondering whether I actually learned anything. One of the things that makes me wonder that is the difference with which many

[FairfieldLife] RE: Check It Out

2014-01-19 Thread doctordumbass
I didn't know there were Equiarazzi, too. Beautiful but creepy picture.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Check It Out

2014-01-19 Thread j_alexander_stanley
I saw this on Facebook and LOL'd at the nerd comment: https://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/posts/601895143198664 https://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/posts/601895143198664 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Look at these bats in the womb:

[FairfieldLife] RE: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-19 Thread doctordumbass
I think absent any social codes, the difference in sexual promiscuity between males and females comes down to consequences. Prior to birth control, if a female had sex with a male, she could be literally burdened with offspring. Not so for the male. Add in the greater physical strength of the

[FairfieldLife] RE: Check It Out

2014-01-19 Thread j_alexander_stanley
I saw this pic on Facebook and LOL'd at the nerd comment: https://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/posts/601895143198664 https://www.facebook.com/IFeakingLoveScience/posts/601895143198664

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: I think absent any social codes, the difference in sexual promiscuity between males and females comes down to consequences. Prior to birth control, if a female had sex with a male, she could be literally burdened with offspring. Not

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart from ordinary [people] and treated as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
Barry Wrote: But then AIDS came along. And suddenly the old fears came with them. And the world changed again, but this time in a more restrictive, more fearful direction. I think much of the fear around AIDS has faded away and I think a lot of this has to do with the passage of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread Richard Williams
Championship Predictions: Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning and New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady. The question is do the Patriots plan to stop Peyton Manning? Peyton Manning and Tom Brady square off for the 15th time, in Denver. And the San Francisco 49ers at Seattle, where

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
More of Barry's fanatical obsession with Narcissistic Personality Disorder... The obvious, for the record: Barry isn't qualified to diagnose anyone with NPD. Not even a professional would do so without having met and examined the person--and certainly would not attempt to do so merely on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
For the record, Ann, I hadn't read your response to this post of Barry's before I posted mine, despite the fact that we both made some similar points. I would suggest -- and in fact have, many times -- that a synonym for charisma in many cases is Narcissistic Personality Disorder. There is a

[FairfieldLife] countries where it's easy to find healthy food

2014-01-19 Thread Share Long
one of NPR's most emailed stories... http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/01/14/262465619/where-in-the-world-is-the-best-place-for-healthy-eating?utm_medium=Emailutm_campaign=20140119utm_source=mostemailed

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-19 Thread Share Long
Ann, years ago in a communications class I learned that young people in certain ways feel invincible, like they will never die. Consequently ads against drinking and driving that featured a skeleton did not have any impact. So they changed to ads saying *friends don't let friends drive drunk*

[FairfieldLife] HP: Windows 7 is back

2014-01-19 Thread j_alexander_stanley
Just got this email from HP: http://alex.natel.net/misc/win-7-is-back.jpg http://alex.natel.net/misc/win-7-is-back.jpg People have been bitching about Win 8 since it was in beta, and hopefully this loud corporate message from HP will get through to the idiots at MSFT. People with real

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-19 Thread Share Long
Seraph, I would say that if a culture is putting women on a pedestal, look more deeply and one will find someplace where that same culture is also demonizing and or discounting the feminine. The pedestal is merely overcompensation imo. I have come to the conclusion that in general deification

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Did Today

2014-01-19 Thread Richard Williams
We went to this place yesterday - they have some boots for sale. [image: Inline image 1] Cavender's Boot City [image: Inline image 2] Tony Lama, Justin, Lucchese, Laredo On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Richard Williams pundits...@gmail.comwrote: Today, we went to this place: [image:

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: For the record, Ann, I hadn't read your response to this post of Barry's before I posted mine, despite the fact that we both made some similar points. I am totally aware of that. When would you ever not be your own person and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Bridge SE on Hulu

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
On 01/19/2014 12:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */I'm enjoying the new season of Justify as well, and agree that it's one of the better shows on American TV. Although the writing has been turned over to other people at this point, it still has a lot of that Elmore Leonard look and feel, and is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Did Today

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: We went to this place yesterday - they have some boots for sale. That's a whole lotta shit stompers in one place. I prefer shopping in smaller, boutique-y stores though. I always have people coming into my strictly English

Re: [FairfieldLife] HP: Windows 7 is back

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
That's why I use Ubuntu Studio. :-P On 01/19/2014 08:01 AM, j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com wrote: Just got this email from HP: http://alex.natel.net/misc/win-7-is-back.jpg People have been bitching about Win 8 since it was in beta, and hopefully this loud corporate message from HP will get

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Bridge SE on Hulu

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: On 01/19/2014 12:48 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */I'm enjoying the new season of Justify as well, and agree that it's one of the better shows on American TV. Although the writing has been turned over to other people at this point, it still

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.

2014-01-19 Thread anartaxius
I would agree with this. In my own life, from childhood on, the tendency to invoke metaphysical explanations steadily declined, until now everything is immediate, direct, no need for an explanation of something out-of-sight. That is for experience. As far as the rational mind is concerned,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hackers

2014-01-19 Thread Richard Williams
The Target Corp. data breach that has hurt its sales and has made many consumers skittish about using their cards has been traced to a Russian teenager who authored the malware used in the security breach, according to a cyber-intelligence firm. [image: Inline image 1] IntelCrawler said

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Postcharismatic Fate of New Religious Movements.

2014-01-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Turq, separating the NP-Disordered as a consideration is just a scale with a range and distribution of consideration around the real spiritual charismatic. The Dis-ordered may just indicate bad nurture of upbringing or some bad nature of dis-ease of genetic material otherwise and both may be

[FairfieldLife] Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
More on the guy who got away with the big golden parachute from Yahoo. Mr. de Castro, who was hired away from Google, was hardly a tech superstar. He had a spotty track record at the search giant. And less than a year before he left, he was demoted from managing media and platforms to an

[FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
Yet more of Barry's insane obsession with NPD: Granted that from what I've heard--including from Robin--this list does characterize many of his behaviors with his group 30-some years ago. However, we didn't see any of these behaviors while he was participating on FFL, which is, of

[FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
Of course not. Why would you think it makes him a scamster? Again, his hiring was Mayer's poor judgment as to his competence. She hired him despite his spotty record. There's no evidence he did anything wrong or dishonest. More on the guy who got away with the big golden parachute from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Did Today

2014-01-19 Thread Richard Williams
We got our boots at Cavender's and they also have denims and belts and shirts. If you ever get down here, Ann, we'll take you to see some boots - you'll go crazy over this place! We get all our hats at Paris Hatters and we get guitars at Sam Ash Music Store in San Antonio. [image: Inline image 3]

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
Sorry but that is because you don't know the tech industry. A little story, back around 1980 I was out of a playing gig and doing temp work. I took a week long workshop on hiring by the state's employment agency. One of the topics was on selling one's self. I raised the question what if

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
Most likely he didn't know he wasn't up to it, or thought he could get up to it if he made a big effort. If he knew he wasn't up to it, he'd have been insane to take the gig. And for all we know, he expressed his doubts to Mayer and she told him not to worry, he'd do great. For her, it was a

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread Share Long
But Judy, you're also making a big assumption when you say that for all we know he expressed his doubts to Mayer and she told him not to worry! In this case, for all we know is zilch! Maybe she made him a financial offer he couldn't refuse. Maybe she had worked with him before and it had worked

[FairfieldLife] RE: HP: Windows 7 is back

2014-01-19 Thread cardemaister
I used Ubuntu for a while, but I think for block heads like myself, it (like any Linux distro) might still be a bit too nerdy ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: That's why I use Ubuntu Studio. :-P On 01/19/2014 08:01 AM, j_alexander_stanley@...

[FairfieldLife] 'Allah' Row in Malaysia

2014-01-19 Thread jr_esq
Does it really make a difference if a Catholic priest uses 'Allah' to address the Creator? But Muslim authorities ruled that non-Muslims cannot use the sacred word. This ruling just shows that these people are still ignorant, in spite of their faith.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Attack of the Neak Ta

2014-01-19 Thread jr_esq
Judy, This tradition of appeasing the gods or whatever is also practiced by some Chinese communities here in the US. When I was taking tai chi in Seattle, WA, the owner of the school always had an offering of fruits, incense, or chicken in one section of the building. Here in San

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
But Share, For all we know indicates that I was speculating, not assuming, as Bhairitu was. Two different things. Try to get your ducks in a nice row before you start posing objections. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: But Judy, you're also making a big

[FairfieldLife] RE: Attack of the Neak Ta

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
Did you read the story I linked to? Judy, This tradition of appeasing the gods or whatever is also practiced by some Chinese communities here in the US. When I was taking tai chi in Seattle, WA, the owner of the school always had an offering of fruits, incense, or chicken in one section

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread Share Long
Judy, for all we know in this context is zilch. But by adding a detailed scenario, you give a kind of credence to what comes after the phrase. Were you in the debate club in high school or college? On Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:29 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attack of the Neak Ta

2014-01-19 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Did you read the story I linked to? If not, what is WRONG with you? Do you *dare* to ignore something I consider valuable? If you actually did read it (doubtful, since you disagreed with my posting of it, or came to some other conclusion about it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attack of the Neak Ta

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
Oh, boy, I really freaked Barry out this morning, didn't I? Did you read the story I linked to? If not, what is WRONG with you? Do you *dare* to ignore something I consider valuable? If you actually did read it (doubtful, since you disagreed with my posting of it, or came to some other

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion that doesn't take itself deadly seriously

2014-01-19 Thread doctordumbass
Yeah, good points. The AIDS thing is quite a mind-fuck, having a fatal, largely incurable disease, emerge in the West, in the last quarter, of a century, that saw the virtual eradication of cholera, typhus, diphtheria, polio, and many other once fatal and crippling diseases.

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread authfriend
You mean you give it a kind of credence that you think will give you an opportunity to criticize and quibble, another try after having been corrected on your first mistake. No particular credence need be given to what's obviously labeled speculation. It's just a matter of allowing for

[FairfieldLife] RE: The Bridge SE on Hulu

2014-01-19 Thread ultrarishi
I watched both the US and European versions. Saga nailed it, where as Sonja was not as interesting or compelling. I liked the Euro version better, but the American version had a lot to offer as well, especially Sonja's partner Marco and her boss. They didn't need to stretch into 13 episodes

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
This happens all the time in Sillyconned Valley. Most people leave a company to scam a job elsewhere. It is almost an idiomatic expression. That he couldn't perform is enough evidence and not surprising too. They need to learn to hire older more experienced folks but they have an aversion

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: HP: Windows 7 is back

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
I occasionally have to try to solve Windows problems that are far more difficult to fix than Linux. Windows is no longer so user friendly. In some cases you are just SOL. Engineers who build software for Windows these days aren't very good anymore. Apparently just cheap. You might like to

[FairfieldLife] Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-19 Thread emptybill
A popular view of Advaita Vedanta (sometimes an accusation) is that it is Maya-vada ... the doctrine that everything is mere Maya. This is a classical misrepresentation that began with Ramanuja (11th Century head of the Sri Vaishnava-s) and continues down to today. Probably one reason for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
Not a sports fan but I did have fun telling friends in Seattle that the Niners were going to show the Seahawks how to play football. (No I won't be watching the game). On 01/19/2014 07:12 AM, Richard Williams wrote: Championship Predictions: Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning and New

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: The Bridge SE on Hulu

2014-01-19 Thread Bhairitu
Not sure how they would have made the series work between the US and Canada. There may be a few bridges to base the story on. But it might not have generated the interest that setting it between the US and Mexico did. On 01/19/2014 12:51 PM, ultrarishi wrote: I watched both the US and

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Allah' Row in Malaysia

2014-01-19 Thread Mike Dixon
I don't understand *why* the priest would want to address God Almighty by the name Allah. Christianity predates Islam by 700 years and should refer to God by His Hebraic names since Jesus  was a Jew  and there never have been any ties to Islam. Me thinks the priest was simply trying to be PC

[FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread anartaxius
Yeah, but Barry did not mention Robin at all in his post, so why bring up a tangential topic? It is very difficult for spiritual teachers to avoid some of these traps because when surrounded by adoring wanna be disciples it is difficult to avoid being forced into a very strange bubble that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread emilymaenot
I am officially making this the first game of the season that I am going to watch. If asked, I don't think I could live down a statement that I read a book instead. I pray for no injuries. Luckily, in my life, I have dated enough sports fiends to know the basic rules and plays of the game,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread Mike Dixon
I was just happy to see Peyton Manning kick Tom Brady's ass. I'm no fan of Denver's(can't stand anything that has to do with John Elway) but Peyton is a class act and Brady is an arrogant A-hole. On Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:34 PM, emilymae...@yahoo.com emilymae...@yahoo.com wrote:   I

[FairfieldLife] RE: 'Allah' Row in Malaysia

2014-01-19 Thread s3raphita
Re This ruling just shows that these people are still ignorant, in spite of their faith.: Ignorant *because* of their faith. The intolerance of Islam no longer surprises anyone. Thank God we've still got Sam Harris to stick it to these barbarians now that Christopher Hitchens isn't around.

[FairfieldLife] Post Count Mon 20-Jan-14 00:15:03 UTC

2014-01-19 Thread FFL PostCount
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): 01/18/14 00:00:00 End Date (UTC): 01/25/14 00:00:00 188 messages as of (UTC) 01/19/14 23:42:58 30 authfriend 22 Share Long 19 Richard Williams 15 dhamiltony2k5 14 emptybill 14 awoelflebater 13 Bhairitu 12

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What I Did Today

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: We got our boots at Cavender's and they also have denims and belts and shirts. If you ever get down here, Ann, we'll take you to see some boots - you'll go crazy over this place! We get all our hats at Paris Hatters and we get

Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Allah' Row in Malaysia

2014-01-19 Thread jr_esq
Mike, IMO, the priest was trying to fit in with the Muslims. But it didn't work--at least for the Muslims in Malaysia. It may have been acceptable elsewhere. This is a good example of the dangers of fundamentalism in Islam or any other faith.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Attack of the Neak Ta

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Did you read the story I linked to? If not, what is WRONG with you? Do you *dare* to ignore something I consider valuable? If you actually did read it (doubtful, since you

[FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote: Yeah, but Barry did not mention Robin at all in his post, so why bring up a tangential topic? It is very difficult for spiritual teachers to avoid some of these traps because when surrounded by adoring wanna be disciples it is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
Fer Chrissakes Woman - HI!!

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread Michael Jackson
Do you really feel that Robin was influenced by outside intelligences? Since you had so much time with him, I value your opinion. On Mon, 1/20/14, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread emilymaenot
I thought I was posting on a Sports Forum! Ooops! ANN! The Seahawks are goin' to the Superbowl in NJ Russell Wilson is goin' up against Peyton Manning! Can you believe all the kids and the dog and the cat watched the game? In the same room? Another miracle. First game I've watched in

[FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread s3raphita
Is it not possible that *the* infallible sign of being enlightened is that you don't seek followers or power? I'm sure there have been many individuals over the centuries who have had that awakening experience and at that same moment realised that their insight would be completely misunderstood

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread steve.sundur
Really, I thought your QB was pretty mediocre. Or maybe it was because for most the game your offensive line gave him no protection. Luckily your defense was up to the task. But the SF QB, didn't have the best game either. Good luck February 2nd! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Would you buy a car from this guy?

2014-01-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
Spiritual Economy; This is extremely sound shastra to meditate and live by in life: —Are Meditators careful to live within the bounds of their circumstances, and to avoid involving themselves in business beyond their ability to manage; or in hazardous or speculative trade. Are they just in

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread dhamiltony2k5
The Fairfield Meditating Community “Based on balancing labor and leisure to meditate while working together for the benefit of the community.” [-Brook Farm] FFL Macro key 7

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Signposts Of Enlightenment

2014-01-19 Thread awoelflebater
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote: Do you really feel that Robin was influenced by outside intelligences? Since you had so much time with him, I value your opinion. Hey Michael, I like your enquiring mind. I like that you worked so hard to realize something

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

2014-01-19 Thread jr_esq
Emily, It was a good game. The 49ers played their hearts out. But the fans up there are just too loud and spirited to get a win in that stadium. Also, the Seahawks defense was very solid. Since my home team lost, I am now rooting for the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. Most of the

[FairfieldLife] RE: 'Allah' Row in Malaysia

2014-01-19 Thread jr_esq
S3, Supposedly, Islam is more tolerant than what is being practiced by some Muslim sects. But there are still many people who have not awakened to the meaning of life or reality. As such, they impose their own will on others by killing and oppression, which only reveal the evil that lurks