Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Williams
emptybill: As usual, you are really only interested in spouting off what you have read. However, what you have read is not deep and comprehensive and it shows in your amateurish identifications of the influences between separate traditions. Get back to us when you get some time for reading

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-24 Thread Richard Williams
Kashmiri Trika is not and never has been influenced by Shankara's Kevela Advaita. Kashmere Trika was incorporated into the Madukya Upanishad, Gaudapada and Shankara. In fact, many of the terms used in Kashmere Shaivism mean the very same thing as in the Gaudapada's karika and in Mandukya

[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-24 Thread emptybill
Apparently you can't understand what you read. Gaudapada in Mandukya Karika, 4.99; “naitad buddhena bhasitam” (this was not expressed by Buddha). Shankara comments: The nature of the supreme reality is free from the differences of knowledge, known and knower, and is without a

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-23 Thread Richard Williams
Thanks for posting the information,but you failed to point out the similarities: Shankara's Advaita claims to be based on the Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita and the Brahma Sutras, but many scholars such as Sharma and Raju have noted that Shankara shows many signs of influence from Mahayana

[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-23 Thread emptybill
As usual, you are really only interested in spouting off what you have read. However, what you have read is not deep and comprehensive and it shows in your amateurish identifications of the influences between separate traditions. You read about these influences from the common arena of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Williams
Jason: there was a two way, crossflow of influence between Hinduism and Buddhism, for thousands of years. Thus there are some similarities... According to Vaj, the Advaita Vedanta of Shankara is largely a Vedic purist reaction to the teaching of Nagarjuna. In fact, Shankara was accused of

[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread emptybill
In Tibetan Buddhism, Nagarjuna is the most important philosophical figure. It is like Thomas Aquinas for Roman Catholics. Madhyamaka is the basis for understanding Buddhism and Vijñanavada is a close correlate. Contrary to the Tibetans, Madhyamaka is not given the same exalted status in the

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Williams
There is nothing absurd about any of my citations and they have not been refuted by any scholars that I know of. If you have any sources you'd like to cite, please list them so we can read them for ourselves. mAyA - illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery , witchcraft magic RV;

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread emptybill
I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I have also explained how and why Shankara refuted the same. You answer has always been the same - Yeah, but ... and then you continue onward without

[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. Many times I have also explained how and why Shankara refuted the same. You answer has always been the same - Yeah, but ...

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Williams
I have already provided a scholarly synopsis of the real differences between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism... You cited zero Vedantic scholars in the synopsis in this thread. And, you failed to cite any common ideas between Shankara's Advaita and Vijñanavada Buddhism. And, you

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Share Long
Richard, I am interested. And admit that the Vedic aphorism: Brahman says, My indestructible maya completely resonates with me and acts as a koan for me, letting my whatever settle to deeper fathoms. But sometimes I enjoy your back and forth with emptybill about it. Otherwise, I don't have much

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/22/2014 8:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */We've all heard people repeating stuff they were told about Advaita, or stuff they've thought up about it in their heads. If we spent any time around the TM movement, we're pretty much sick to death of people parroting dogma and repeating stuff they've

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 1/22/2014 8:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: */So what does Advaita *feel* like? What's it like to experience it personally? How does it manifest itself in your daily life? We'll wait.../* We are anxiously awaiting your post telling us what it *felt* like personally composing your little treatise

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Richard Williams
Share: Otherwise, I don't have much to say about it. According to Barry, Advaita is all you people talk about up there at the TM center. But, I don't think Jerry Jarvis would approve of talking about Advaita in any TM introductory lecture. From what I've read, MMY didn't even mention Advaita

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Share Long
Richard, you say: The goal of TM spiritual practice is the *isolation* of the Purusha from the prakriti and the knowledge and ability to distinguish between them by the experience of Pure Consciousness. I agree with this. However, I think the TMSP has a very different goal, the goal of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-22 Thread Jason
Emptybill, there was a two way, crossflow of influence between Hinduism and Buddhism, for thousands of years. Thus there are some similarities. According to Nagarjuna of the Mahayana school, Nothing can arise independently on its own. Everything arose co-dependently along with you. Therefore,

[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-21 Thread emptybill
All of these absurd assertions have long ago been refuted by excellent scholars. You simply don't know what you are talking about - to put it quite plainly.

[FairfieldLife] RE: Advaita is about inherent freedom

2014-01-20 Thread cardemaister
Can't find 'viyoga' in the YS. OTOH, there is the word viniyoga in III 6: tasya bhuumiSu viniyogaH. Taimni's translation: Its (of saMyama) use by stages. viniyoga m. apportionment , distribution , division Nir. ; appointment to (loc.) , commission , charge , duty , task , occupation MBh. R.