[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-13 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was studying with another guru. Smart man. It's never good to be attached. My point

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-13 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
And while your at it, you should also try to get a copy of the recent interview with SBS's successor. sparaig: The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was studying with another guru. Apparently SBS passed away in Calcutta and only three others were

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:53 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, you see, I think it is YOU who are missing MMY's nuances here. Certainly stress can have good and bad qualities (eustress and distress). However, anything that pulls one away from the quality of functioning of the nervous system where pure

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:04 AM, sparaig wrote: I like to cite my old friend Anoop Chandola, who is not only a Sanskrit/Hindu scholar, but has one very close family member who was part of the committee who selected SBS in the first place. Appeal to authority or argumentum ad verecundiam is a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread sparaig
Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the real deal. YMMV of course. Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:53 AM, sparaig wrote: Well, you see, I think it is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread sparaig
No more so than claiming that Dana is the great authority because he's visited India a dozen or two times. L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:04 AM, sparaig wrote: I like to cite my old friend Anoop Chandola, who is not only a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote: Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the real deal. YMMV of course. You should send him a copy of David Wants to Fly. :-) And while your at it, you should also try to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the real deal. Vaj: And while your at it, you should also try to get a copy of the recent interview with SBS's successor... This would prove nothing because everyone

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote: Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the real deal. YMMV of course. You should send him a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-12 Thread Vaj
On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was studying with another guru. Smart man. It's never good to be attached.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-11 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-11 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such, like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-11 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such, like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-11 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such, like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: snip What hardcore TMers would prefer is that I still maintain the boilerplate spiels I learned to spew on TM, rather than be true to my own POV. They desperately want me to not speak from that new perspective, but continue to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread zarzari_786
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:56 PM, zarzari_786 wrote: For example, after Muktananda left Seelisberg, on the way out touching a few TMers, thereby giving them Shaktipath, so that they would follow him, is reported to have said:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread sparaig
Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such, like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive and the negative aspects of these concepts. -Hans Selye Stress is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such, like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-10 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Actually we've all already been pre-programmed to believe in the stress release,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:36 PM, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Heh. MMY always portrayed himself as a reformer, so conservatives would naturally be incensed with what he said. Of course the real reason they were incensed was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Eh, people can quote MMY correctly all over the place and still be totally wrong. You see it all the time on this forum, and I read comments from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread Vaj
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:29 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Actually we've all already been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread curtisdeltablues
Great discussion from both of you. It sent me out to re-read Hans Selyle again because I remembered how Maharishi ignored much of his theory on stress and was struck by how far apart their ideas really were. Here is Hans describing some of the misconceptions about how the term stress is used

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread jpgillam
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering. I don't think one need worry

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread richardnelson108
Hey Vaj, Just got sround to reading your post on this. I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how egocentric you are. I mean there you are sitting in your ivory tower making your high and mighty statements about how much you know about transcending and everything

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread zarzari_786
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: In order to even access those levels of subtlety one needs to complete the piercing of the bindu (bindu-bhedana) and master further levels of practice. Yes! You have to pierce the knots to really transcend.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread zarzari_786
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: Hey Vaj, Just got sround to reading your post on this. I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how egocentric you are. I mean there you are sitting in your ivory tower making

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread zarzari_786
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 hanumandaz@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@ wrote: Hey Vaj, Just got sround to reading your post on this. I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] Actually, the current theory of how TM works is that it sets up a situation in the thalamus that inhibits the thalamo-coritical feedback loops that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-09 Thread seventhray1
This is what they call a Vaj recharge. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardnelson108 richardnelson108@... wrote: Hey Vaj, Just got sround to reading your post on this. I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how egocentric you are. I mean there you are

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-08 Thread Vaj
On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:36 PM, sparaig lengli...@cox.net wrote: Heh. MMY always portrayed himself as a reformer, so conservatives would naturally be incensed with what he said. Of course the real reason they were incensed was probably because he was destroying the purity of their tradition,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:46 PM, sparaig wrote: That might be, but of course, this doesn't say anything about the kids and prison inmates who learn TM en mass through the David Lynch FOundation. Well you'd have to do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-07 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: Because his comments are very much in line with a lot of TM teachers I have run into over the years. He regurgitates the Knowledge, but doesn't appear to get it. THe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: Eh, people can quote MMY correctly all over the place and still be totally wrong. You see it all the time on this forum, and I read comments from currently active TM teachers that make me cringe, they are so wrong-headed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Vaj
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:44 PM, sparaig wrote: Isn't Mahesh supposed to be MMY's given first name? It's certainly strange for a scholar posing as a neutral party to refer to a person whom he has never met, but whom he has written formal words about, by his first name. If he's a decent

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Vaj
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:46 PM, sparaig wrote: That might be, but of course, this doesn't say anything about the kids and prison inmates who learn TM en mass through the David Lynch FOundation. Well you'd have to do another study. But I doubt at this late date anyone independent would be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Vaj
On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote: Because his comments are very much in line with a lot of TM teachers I have run into over the years. He regurgitates the Knowledge, but doesn't appear to get it. THe whole thing in the interview about how since a given guru was from the advaita

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread pileated56
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote: But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Here's what I said: I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-06 Thread Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: Eh, people can quote MMY correctly all over the place and still be totally wrong. You see it all the time on this forum, and I read comments from

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread Vaj
On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Actually we've all already been pre-programmed to believe in the stress release, unstressing, model is factually correct. Each time we transcend we're

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread seventhray1
Ok, thanks for your reply. I'll have to think about that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote: Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. Actually we've all already been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ok, thanks for your reply. I'll have to think about that. The important thing to remember is that what you think is a TM-related experience is *never* a spontaneous experience; it's *always* the result of having been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us; Alex might know when he

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
Perhaps it's this book? : Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press, forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes. authfriend: If that's it, it's a bit behind schedule, it seems. The SUNY Press

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread whynotnow7
Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your analysis. HA HA HA!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread whynotnow7
If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: FWIW, Vaj has also deleted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread whynotnow7
You're practically throwing in the towel here VJ...When I read this, your language indicates that you are not putting yourself in the category of a certain type of person [who]...decides to pay and undergo TM initiation. So now, after all the challenges to your immediately suspect claim about

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it. Probably his seniors in the FBI didn't approove :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote: If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it. Well, for anyone who saw the pic on the website, it's more than likely still in their browser cache. I was able to retrieve it from mine this morning. I don't see what the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread seventhray1
Well, I've thought about. Kind of like. Who cares. But I guess it's good to have a minder like Vaj, who wants to make sure you stay on the proper itinerary and don't stray into unholy areas. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 steve.sundur@... wrote: Ok, thanks for your

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread whynotnow7
I saw it, and yeah it was hardly worth the effort. Big coup - heh, so maybe it was removed out of sheer embarrassment... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@ wrote: If I had to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: snip [Nabby wrote:] What kind of book ? Haven't read it. Don't know the content. ...Yesterday an old friend asked me whether the rumor he heard was

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:14 PM, feste37 wrote: I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to detect anything that might

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: snip [Vaj wrote:] Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread authfriend
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? Vaj: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote: snip [Vaj wrote:] Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-05 Thread sparaig
Of richardatrwilliamsdotus Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? Vaj: I feel

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
No Feste, that was not the point of what I was saying. But thanks for asking. :-) On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:52 PM, feste37 fest...@yahoo.com wrote: So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? Vaj: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:33 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote: So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Prof. Sawyer was expelled from

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread feste37
But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Do you really mean that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside? Because that's what you said. If indeed there are any examples I suspect your reasoning goes like this: person has psychological

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure. Vaj: Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything about the TM or the TMO? Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread richardatrwilliamsdotus
Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of approved teachers or lecturers... authfriend: The names of teachers who have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, richardatrwilliamsdotus richard@... wrote: snip [Vaj wrote:] Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to explore other meditation methods. From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of M.U.M., and his name does not appear

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote: But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you deleted.) Here's what I said: I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or in

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread feste37
Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back into a more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread feste37
I know nothing about meditation forms other than TM, which was the only one that ever interested me, so I am unable to comment on your analogy. I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have hypersensitivities, but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Ravi Yogi
Feste, even-though Vaj is a big liar he is right on some of the symptoms. During my kundalini descension I suffered from symptoms that resemble panic attacks. During 2 weeks in 2006 it result in massive agoraphobia for me. Of course I was blessed enough that existence guided me and I never had

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:44 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos shukra69: this is a desperate crazy person kind

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread whynotnow7
But you have never done TM or the TM Sidhi program and yet you are seem completely lost in your head, very spacey and ungrounded, sometime hostile, often awkward, and usually arrogant, so how do you explain that?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread feste37
I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. I think the self-selection idea could be better applied to the TM campus

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: snip [Nabby wrote:] What kind of book ? Haven't read it. Don't know the content. ...Yesterday an old friend asked me whether the rumor he heard was true, that I'm writing an anti-TMO book. It's not, but that rumor probably

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Vaj
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:50 PM, feste37 wrote: I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. That's true. You could easily

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Perhaps it's this book? : Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press, forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes. If that's it, it's a bit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@... wrote: I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a psychological fact) that those who start TM constitute a certain type of person, since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. Not to

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:58 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@... wrote: FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us; Alex might know when he deleted them). I can do a search of the web activity log, but all it will show is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote: Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then they might get a bit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-04 Thread seventhray1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like planting many flowers in a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos. Please see below and let me know if you can help: I'd love to have photos of any and all important events and personalities, and you know those as

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread shukra69
this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: Rick, do you know if he's seen David Wants to Fly or read Kundalini Vidya (deals with the style of psychic damage often seen in sidhas and the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread Vaj
I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering. You might see the still on-going PR of the TMO as more evidence of the success of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread shukra69
this is all more pure rumor-mongering and innuendo on your part, the only dark side here is your own willingness to engage in that sort of slander. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shukra69 shukra69@... wrote: this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it Vag? Duh! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id%C3%A9e_fixe_(psychology) What's odd about this post of Vaj's is that he's very well aware that Dana

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos

2011-12-03 Thread feste37
So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for decades! Thanks, Vaj! Useful information to have. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@... wrote: I feel that all recent information