> > And while your at it, you should also try to get
> > a copy of the recent interview with SBS's
> > successor.
> >
sparaig:
> The current successor wasn't even at the ashram
> when SBS died, He was studying with another guru.
>
Apparently SBS passed away in Calcutta and only three
others w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was
> > studying with another guru.
>
> Smart man.
>
> It's never good to be attached.
>
My point was simply tha
On Dec 12, 2011, at 8:10 PM, "sparaig" wrote:
> The current successor wasn't even at the ashram when SBS died, He was
> studying with another guru.
Smart man.
It's never good to be attached.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a
> > Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the "real deal." YMMV
> > of course.
>
>
> You should send him a c
> > Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably
> > accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers
> > MMY to be the "real deal."
> >
Vaj:
> And while your at it, you should also try to get a
> copy of the recent interview with SBS's successor...
>
This would prove nothing because
On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:25 AM, sparaig wrote:
Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a
Vedic/Hindu scholar, who considers MMY to be the "real deal." YMMV
of course.
You should send him a copy of David Wants to Fly. :-)
And while your at it, you should also try to
No more so than claiming that Dana is the great authority because he's visited
India a dozen or two times.
L.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:04 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > I like to cite my old friend Anoop Chandola, who is not only a
> > Sanskrit
Eh, as I said, I have a friend who is reasonably accomplished as a Vedic/Hindu
scholar, who considers MMY to be the "real deal." YMMV of course.
Lawson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:53 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > Well, you see, I think it is YOU who
On Dec 11, 2011, at 3:04 AM, sparaig wrote:
I like to cite my old friend Anoop Chandola, who is not only a
Sanskrit/Hindu scholar, but has one very close family member who
was part of the committee who selected SBS in the first place.
"Appeal to authority" or argumentum ad verecundiam is
On Dec 11, 2011, at 2:53 AM, sparaig wrote:
Well, you see, I think it is YOU who are missing MMY's nuances here.
Certainly stress can have good and bad qualities (eustress and
distress). However, anything that pulls one away from the quality
of functioning of the nervous system where pure
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is
> caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such,
> like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is
> caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such,
> like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is
> caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such,
> like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Stres
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is
> > is caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as
> > such,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Stress
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any
> > > demand, whether is is caused by
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any
> > demand, whether is is caused by, or results in, pleasant
> > or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such, lik
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> "Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is
> caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such,
> like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive and
>
"Stress is the nonspecific response of the body to any demand, whether is is
caused by, or results in, pleasant or unpleasant conditions. Stress as such,
like temperature as such, is all-inclusive, embodying both the positive and the
negative aspects of these concepts." -Hans Selye
"Stress is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2011, at 7:56 PM, zarzari_786 wrote:
>
> > For example, after Muktananda left Seelisberg, on the way out
touching a few TMers, thereby giving them Shaktipath, so that they would
follow him, is reported to have said: Everybody is tal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> What hardcore TMers would prefer is that I still maintain the
> boilerplate spiels I learned to spew on TM, rather than be
> true to my own POV. They desperately want me to not speak from
> that new perspective, but continue to regurgitate the sc
This is what they call a Vaj recharge.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"
wrote:
>
> Hey Vaj,
> Just got sround to reading your post on this.
>
> I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how
egocentric you are. I mean there you are sitting in your
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
[...]
> > Actually, the current theory of how TM works is that it sets up a situation
> > in the thalamus that inhibits the thalamo-coritical feedback loops that
> > scientist
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "zarzari_786" wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Vaj,
> > Just got sround to reading your post on this.
> >
> > I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how
> > egocentric y
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108"
wrote:
>
> Hey Vaj,
> Just got sround to reading your post on this.
>
> I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how
> egocentric you are. I mean there you are sitting in your ivory tower making
> your high and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> In order to
> even access those levels of subtlety one needs to complete the
> piercing of the bindu (bindu-bhedana) and master further levels of
> practice.
Yes! You have to pierce the knots to really transcend.
Hey Vaj,
Just got sround to reading your post on this.
I continue to amazed (I guess I shouldn't be at this point) about how
egocentric you are. I mean there you are sitting in your ivory tower making
your high and mighty statements about how much you know about transcending and
everything els
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
> >
> > > Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms
> > > with your analysis.
> >
> > Actually
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be
> relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation
> can cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering.
I don't think one need worry
Great discussion from both of you. It sent me out to re-read Hans Selyle again
because I remembered how Maharishi ignored much of his theory on stress and was
struck by how far apart their ideas really were. Here is Hans describing some
of the misconceptions about how the term stress is used a
On Dec 9, 2011, at 10:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
> > Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms
> > with your analysis.
>
> Actually we've all already been pre-programmed to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > Eh, people can quote MMY correctly all over the place and still be totally
> > wrong. You see it all the time on this forum, and I read comments from
> > currentl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:36 PM, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > Heh. MMY always portrayed himself as a reformer, so conservatives would
> > naturally be incensed with what he said.
>
> Of course the real reason they were incensed was probably because h
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
> > Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms
> > with your analysis.
>
> Actually we've all already been pre-programmed to believe in the
> stress release, "unst
On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:36 PM, "sparaig" wrote:
> Heh. MMY always portrayed himself as a reformer, so conservatives would
> naturally be incensed with what he said.
Of course the real reason they were incensed was probably because he was
destroying the purity of their tradition, while making the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > Because his comments are very much in line with a lot of TM
> > teachers I have run into over the years. He regurgitates "the
> > Knowledge," but doesn't appear to "get it."
> >
> > THe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > That might be, but of course, this doesn't say anything about the
> > kids and prison inmates who learn TM en mass through the David
> > Lynch FOundation.
>
> Well you'd have to do ano
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > Eh, people can quote MMY correctly all over the place and still be totally
> > wrong. You see it all the time on this forum, and I read comments from
> > currentl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote:
>
> > But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that
> > you deleted.)
>
> Here's what I said:
>
> "I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple
On Dec 6, 2011, at 1:09 AM, sparaig wrote:
Because his comments are very much in line with a lot of TM
teachers I have run into over the years. He regurgitates "the
Knowledge," but doesn't appear to "get it."
THe whole thing in the interview about how since a given guru was
from the adva
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:46 PM, sparaig wrote:
That might be, but of course, this doesn't say anything about the
kids and prison inmates who learn TM en mass through the David
Lynch FOundation.
Well you'd have to do another study. But I doubt at this late date
anyone independent would be in
On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:44 PM, sparaig wrote:
Isn't Mahesh supposed to be MMY's given first name? It's certainly
strange for a scholar posing as a neutral party to refer to a
person whom he has never met, but whom he has written formal words
about, by his first name.
If he's a decent scho
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> Eh, people can quote MMY correctly all over the place and still be totally
> wrong. You see it all the time on this forum, and I read comments from
> currently active TM teachers that make me cringe, they are so wrong-headed.
Just bec
oups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> > > On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
> > >
> >
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > [Vaj w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
> > wrote:
> >
> > [Vaj wrote:]
> > > > > > Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
> > >
gt; Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
> >
> > shukra69:
> > > > this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by
> > > > slander on your part isn
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
> wrote:
>
> [Vaj wrote:]
> > > > > Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
> > > > > explore other meditation methods.
> > > > >
> > > > From what I've
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:14 PM, feste37 wrote:
>
> > I am aware that more than a few TM meditators have "hypersensitivities,"
> > but I'm not sure that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to
> > detect anything that might be h
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> [Nabby wrote:]
> > What kind of book ?
> >
> > Haven't read it. Don't know the content.
>
> "...Yesterday an old friend asked me whether the rumor he heard
> was true,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subje
I saw it, and yeah it was hardly worth the effort. Big "coup" - heh, so maybe
it was removed out of sheer embarrassment...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
> >
> > If I had to guess, he was asked to
Well, I've thought about. Kind of like. Who cares. But I guess it's good to
have a "minder" like Vaj, who wants to make sure you stay on the proper
itinerary and don't stray into unholy areas.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
>
>
>
> Ok, thanks for your reply. I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
>
> If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it.
>
Well, for anyone who saw the pic on the website, it's more than likely still in
their browser cache. I was able to retrieve it from mine this morning. I don't
see what the big deal is.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
>
> If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it.
Probably his seniors in the FBI didn't approove :-)
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > wrot
You're practically throwing in the towel here VJ...When I read this, your
language indicates that you are not putting yourself in the category of "a
certain type of person [who]...decides to pay and undergo TM initiation".
So now, after all the challenges to your immediately suspect claim about
If I had to guess, he was asked to pull it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> > >
> > > FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the p
"Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms with your
analysis."
HA HA HA!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> >
> > > > --- In Fa
> > Perhaps it's this book? :
> >
> > Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of
> > Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press,
> > forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes.
> >
authfriend:
> If that's it, it's a bit behind schedule, it seems. The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's
> > made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us;
> > Alex might know when he deleted them).
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks for your reply. I'll have to think about that.
The important thing to remember is that what you think
is a TM-related experience is *never* a spontaneous
experience; it's *always* the result of having been
pre-programmed.
Ok, thanks for your reply. I'll have to think about that.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
> > Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms
> > with your analysis.
>
> Actually we've all already been pre-
On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:04 AM, seventhray1 wrote:
Oh, good. I'll just have to revise my experience so it conforms
with your analysis.
Actually we've all already been pre-programmed to believe in the
stress release, "unstressing", model is factually correct. Each time
we "transcend" we're c
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
>
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
> > > > I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms
> > that help samskaras be dissolved and those that pla
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:49 PM, seventhray1 wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
> > I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms
that help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds
in the mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamas
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
> > I think it's important to distinguish between meditation forms that
help samskaras be dissolved and those that plant sattvic seeds in the
mind to overwhelm the rajasic and tamasic weeds. One method is like
planting many flowers in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote:
>
> > Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of
it as possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing
that then they might get a bit reclusive for a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> FWIW, Vaj has also deleted quite a few of the posts he's
> made about Robin in the past (made before Robin joined us;
> Alex might know when he deleted them).
I can do a search of the web activity log, but all it will show is the ti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:58 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Dana Sawyer needs ph
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote:
>
> I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea
> (hardly a "psychological fact") that those who start TM
> constitute "a certain type of person," since such a huge
> variety of people have learned TM over the years.
Not to ment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> Perhaps it's this book? :
>
> Cosmic Capitalism, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Selling of
> Romanticism. (Albany: State University of New York Press,
> forthcoming, Fall 2009). Co-written with Cynthia Humes.
If that's it, it's a bit behind s
On Dec 4, 2011, at 5:50 PM, feste37 wrote:
> I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a
> "psychological fact") that those who start TM constitute "a certain type of
> person," since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years.
That's true. You could ea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
[Nabby wrote:]
> What kind of book ?
>
> Haven't read it. Don't know the content.
"...Yesterday an old friend asked me whether the rumor he heard
was true, that I'm writing an anti-TMO book. It's not, but that
rumor probably started bec
I find this interesting but am not convinced by the idea (hardly a
"psychological fact") that those who start TM constitute "a certain type of
person," since such a huge variety of people have learned TM over the years. I
think the self-selection idea could be better applied to the TM campus
co
But you have never done TM or the TM Sidhi program and yet you are seem
completely lost in your head, very spacey and ungrounded, sometime hostile,
often awkward, and usually arrogant, so how do you explain that??
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of richardatrwilliamsdotus
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 8:34 AM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
shukra69:
> > this is a desperate crazy
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of nablusoss1008
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:44 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dana Sawyer needs photos
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Feste, even-though Vaj is a big liar he is right on some of the symptoms.
During my kundalini descension I suffered from symptoms that resemble panic
attacks. During 2 weeks in 2006 it result in massive agoraphobia for me.
Of course I was blessed enough that existence guided me and I never had t
I know nothing about meditation forms other than TM, which was the only one
that ever interested me, so I am unable to comment on your analogy. I am aware
that more than a few TM meditators have "hypersensitivities," but I'm not sure
that is always a bad thing: they have their antennae up to det
On Dec 4, 2011, at 1:42 PM, feste37 wrote:
> Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as
> possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then
> they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back
> into a more in
Well, that's interesting. I never liked rounding so did as little of it as
possible. I can imagine that if people are cooped up all day doing that then
they might get a bit reclusive for a while and find it difficult to get back
into a more integrated lifestyle, but I would have thought such fee
On Dec 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, feste37 wrote:
> But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that
> you deleted.)
Here's what I said:
"I regularly talk to people who will mention problems as simple as having to
alter their life because they're afraid to go outside or i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
wrote:
[Vaj wrote:]
> > > > Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
> > > > explore other meditation methods.
> > > >
> > > From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of
> > > M.U.M., and his name does not ap
> > > Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
> > > explore other meditation methods.
> > >
> > From what I've read, Dana Sawyer is not a graduate of
> > M.U.M., and his name does not appear on the TMO list of
> > approved teachers or lecturers...
> >
authfriend:
> The names of te
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardatrwilliamsdotus"
wrote:
>
> > > So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to
> > > explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual
> > > teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything
> > > about the TM or the TMO? Go figure.
>
> > So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to
> > explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual
> > teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything
> > about the TM or the TMO? Go figure.
> >
Vaj:
> Prof. Sawyer was expelled from the TMO for daring to
> explore other me
But it was part of what you said. (See below. I've restored your words that you
deleted.) Do you really mean that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside?
Because that's what you said. If indeed there are any examples I suspect your
reasoning goes like this: person has psychological proble
On Dec 4, 2011, at 9:33 AM, richardatrwilliamsdotus wrote:
> So, you need Dana Sawyer, who never even tried TM, to
> explain to you TM? You're supposed to be the spiritual
> teacher! You're thinking Dana Sawyer knows anything
> about the TM or the TMO? Go figure.
Prof. Sawyer was expelled from
shukra69:
> > this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by
> > slander on your part isn't it Vag?
> >
Vaj:
> I feel that all recent information relating to the
> TMO's dark side would be relevant, esp. material
> that relates to the traditional problems meditation
> can cause - and the hop
No Feste, that was not the point of what I was saying. But thanks for asking.
:-)
On Dec 3, 2011, at 10:52 PM, "feste37" wrote:
> So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in
> public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for decades!
> Thanks,
So you're saying that TM causes people to be afraid to go outside or to be in
public? Gosh, I never knew that, and I was in the movement for decades! Thanks,
Vaj! Useful information to have.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> I feel that all recent information relating to t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
>
> this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on
> your part isn't it Vag?
Duh!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id%C3%A9e_fixe_(psychology)
What's odd about this post of Vaj's is that he's very
well aware that Dana Sawyer is a
this is all more pure rumor-mongering and innuendo on your part, the only dark
side here is your own willingness to engage in that sort of slander.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be
> relevant, esp. m
I feel that all recent information relating to the TMO's dark side would be
relevant, esp. material that relates to the traditional problems meditation can
cause - and the hope for relief for people suffering.
You might see the still on-going PR of the TMO as more evidence of the success
of the
this is a desperate crazy person kind of drive-by slander on your part isn't it
Vag?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> Rick, do you know if he's seen David Wants to Fly or read Kundalini Vidya
> (deals with the style of psychic damage often seen in sidhas and the
> methodolo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote:
>
> Dana Sawyer has written a book on the TM Movement, and needs some photos.
> Please see below and let me know if you can help:
>
> I'd love to have photos of any and all important events and personalities,
> and you know those as wel
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