> Re your writing above, how could 'loyal followers imply [the fort]
> has been captured'? If they have really captured the fort, in that
> context, they may be loyal but they could no longer, by definition,
> be followers.
very good!
but those Lions even after looking into the calm clear pool
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That was Zen; this is Tao. The movement decided
> > that it was more in tune with Natural Law to buy
> > the fort than to capture it.
>
> now, the Fort is only spoken about,
> loyal followers imply it has been capture
> That was Zen; this is Tao. The movement decided
> that it was more in tune with Natural Law to buy
> the fort than to capture it.
now, the Fort is only spoken about,
loyal followers imply it has been captured,
detractors say it will only be purchased,
a few people see only an empty useless lot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I was referring to his comments about being enlightened as to the
> > goal of enlightenment, the first time we transcend during TM and
> > contact the Absolute.
> >
> > So it is a statement of relative enlightenment
> I was referring to his comments about being enlightened as to the
> goal of enlightenment, the first time we transcend during TM and
> contact the Absolute.
>
> So it is a statement of relative enlightenment he was making.
> The point I was making was that this statement of his led some of
>
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>
>
>
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > sni
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > snip
> > >
> > > And also when Maharishi speaks about being
> instantly
> > > enlightened
> > > once
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
> > enlightened
> > once we transcend for the first time. ...
>
> I've never heard MMY say anything
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> > > schemes that you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> > > schemes that you
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> > schemes that you found?
>
> No because you just want to start an argument.
Want to buy a bridge?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfrien
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I always assumed that both phrases were just
> > No because you just want to start an argument.
>
> And life's too short for that.
Tweedledee and Tweedledum agreed to have a fight.
Touch football.
Roughhousing.
Nurf-stick battles.
Come on, didn't you see Rama and Ravana wink at each other?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> > schemes that you found?
>
> No because you just want to start an argument.
And life's too short for
On 10/5/05 12:38 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could you provide some of the links to get-rich-quick
> schemes that you found?
No because you just want to start an argument.
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Turquois
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
> > jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
> > everything without
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
> jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
> everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
> Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
> sor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
> > jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
> > everything without doing a damned th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to
1967,
> > like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch li
On 10/5/05 11:52 AM, "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always assumed that both phrases were just marketing
> jive aimed at Westerners who *wanted* to accomplish
> everything without doing a damned thing themselves.
> Pander to the idiots by selling them idiocy, that
> sorta thing.
A
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > But not even that has anything to do with what
> > MMY mea
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I always remember the two terms being used together -- back to 1967,
> like Unc. I remember the latter phrase being a sort of punch line to
> the former. M. would say "Do less accomplish more." then pause, and
> then say
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've never encountered any TMer who has
> understood it any other way, except you.
As we have established in the past, your
experience in the TMO is fairly limited. :-)
If you're hoping for an argument, you're no
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wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> But not even that has anything to do with what
> MMY means by "Do nothing and accomplish
> everything." It isn't any kind of injunction;
> it i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
> > > couldn't say. But
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> --- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
> > enlightened
> > once we transcend for the first time. ...
>
> I've never heard MMY say anything r
> I think "do nothing" merely refers to the fact that the enlightened
> experience in a very real sense that they (the Self) are doing
> nothing. The
> body and all the other faculties may be working hard, as Maharishi
> always did, but there is the constant sense that "I am not doing
> anything
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Back in 1967, did you understand "Do nothing and
> > accomplish everything" to be a prescription to
> > refrain from acting?
>
> Neve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
> > couldn't say. But I've heard TM teachers say that
> > at first it was just "Do less and accomplish more."
--- jim_flanegin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
snip
>
> And also when Maharishi speaks about being instantly
> enlightened
> once we transcend for the first time. ...
I've never heard MMY say anything remotely close to
this. MMY always presented enlightenment from the
"gradual school" perspectiv
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
>
On 10/5/05 8:57 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Both were current when I started TM in 1975, so I
> couldn't say. But I've heard TM teachers say that
> at first it was just "Do less and accomplish more."
>
> Back in 1967, did you understand "Do nothing and
> accomplish everythin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
> > accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a
> > claim of more efficient acti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- "Do n
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
> accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a
> claim of more efficient action as a result of TM
> practice. Only later, apparently, did he add, "Do
> nothing,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- "Do nothing,
> > accomplish everything -- is horseshit and always has
> > been.
>
> Obviousl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- "Do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 10/4/05 7:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >> In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
> >> accomplish m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
> > accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a
> > claim of more efficie
on 10/4/05 7:33 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
>> accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a
>> claim of more efficient action as a result o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> In this case, MMY started out with "Do less and
> accomplish more," which was understood to be simply a
> claim of more efficient action as a result of TM
> practice. Only later, apparently, did he add, "Do
> nothing,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- "Do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/4/05 4:37 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> If novices ar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- "Do nothing,
> > accomplish everything -- is horseshit and always has
> > been.
>
> Obviously
On 10/4/05 4:37 PM, "Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
>> then there is a
>>> general concensus even among other Sa
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > WHO is doing this, WHO is doing
> > > that...a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Completely agree. The TM philosophy -- "Do nothing,
> accomplish everything -- is horseshit and always has
> been.
Obviously "Do nothing, accomplish everything" is NOT
a "philosophy" of refraining from action. I beli
--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment,
> then there is a
> > general concensus even among other Sages such as
> Adi Da, Swami
> > Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsopher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> WHO is doing this, WHO is doing
> > that...a question repeated asked by Ramana, Nisargadatta Maharaj,
> and
> > HWL Poonja. This
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
WHO is doing this, WHO is doing
> that...a question repeated asked by Ramana, Nisargadatta Maharaj,
and
> HWL Poonja. This is our interface with the previous post on "just
> Bbbeellvvee...an
On 10/3/05 11:47 PM, "matrixmonitor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If novices are to accept anybody's Enlightenment, then there is a
> general concensus even among other Sages such as Adi Da, Swami
> Sivananda, Yogananda, and philsophers such as Ken Wilber; that Ramana
> was not only Enlightened
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 10/2/05 7:49 PM, sinhlnx at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > The problem arises since Ramana Maharshi himself stated that any
> > talk of "I'm Enlishtened" is a lot of nonsense since there's no "I"
> > left to claim i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How do we convince others that we are enlightened? It has always
> > worked for me on a frequency level, like a radio. Whenever I am in
> > the presence of someone enlightened, my body resonates at that
> > frequency o
> > First, anyone with a thirst to let others know how enlightened they
> > are is mired in deep ignorance, and is either expoliting their
> > followers, or has self-esteem issues.
I'd say that anyone who *cares* "how enlightened" someone
other than him- or herself is is wasting a lot of energy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And I've never had much success
> > > convincing myself that "if only external element A -Z were
changed,
> > > I'd be happier".
>
> So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing
> the "ballsy"
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "eptfnj" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we
> > are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that
> > we are?
>
> What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment
> and i
And I've never had much success
> > convincing myself that "if only external element A -Z were changed,
> > I'd be happier".
So you would not be happier if people stopped, in your view, dissing
the "ballsy" Rory? (even when in reality its all back and forth fun).
Yah
> The crux of your inquiry seems to be not so much how do we know we
> are enlightened, but how do we share that or convince others that
> we are?
What about - is there such a state labelled Enlightenment
and is it worthwhile attaining it? Forget about the
entertainment of lights, energy and sle
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excellent article on previous postmakes it all the more
important
> to formulate a set of objective/relative signs which attest to one's
> Enlightenment, realization of the Self. But this is problematic
> within t
On 10/3/05 12:37 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
>>> a virtue;
>>
>> He's merely sayi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
> > a virtue;
>
> He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of
the
> non-du
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
> > a virtue;
>
> He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
> non-dual state d
On 10/3/05 12:12 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So Papaji shows contempt for his students, and that's
> a virtue;
He's merely saying 'listen, just because I gave you the taste of the
non-dual state doesn't mean you're in it forever and it doesn't mean you are
enlightened.' I fin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Some
On 10/3/05 11:23 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
>>> Western students, saying how easi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Oh, I see. I thought you had quote
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
> > Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
> > I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange
> > with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
> > students, lying t
On 10/3/05 10:06 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for his
> Western students, saying how easily they were fooled.
> I guess that's really a virtue, then, no?
I must have missed that. Please explain.
Yahoo!
Or we just see them as old friends. If we know how to relax into the natural
state, we can take notice and they self-liberate--as the yogis say 'like dew
in the sun'.
" In self-liberation observing the object¹ (gcer-grol), by looking directly
at the discursive, intuitive or super-subtle thought t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
> > to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
> > is an example of the former and Ramana of
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> > Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
> > conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
> > disagreement with it "wrong" and e
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> Oh, I see. I thought you had quoted that exchange
> with Papaji to highlight his misbehavior toward his
> students, lying to them to get rid of them and so on.
>
> Some here have claimed MMY expressed contempt for
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > What's
> > > your opinion?
> >
> > Mine is this: We
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Everything else is just the mind trying to resolve
> conflicts primarily by making everything that is in
> disagreement with it "wrong" and everything that
> agrees with it "right." We all are such frigging
> morons!
Or we tr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
> > to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
> > is an example of the former and Ramana of the l
On 10/3/05 8:49 AM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the rundown. Seems odd to me, though,
> to lump pseudo- and neo-Advaitins together if Papaji
> is an example of the former and Ramana of the latter.
Not what I was trying to convey. Papaji was the real juju. He transmitt
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/2/05 9:21 PM, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >> 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi,
> >> HWL Poon
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi,
>> HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
>> Adi Da, etc
> This begs the question then - are these "real" symptons of a Ego
> are just apparent symptoms ? I say - a cow is a cow regardless.
> What's your opinion?
A person "self-stimulates" themselves
while viewing/reading a pornographic magazine.
The resulting physiological reaction is actual.
The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's
> > your opinion?
>
> Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is
*always*
> some aspect of our Self. (What else
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What's
> your opinion?
Mine is this: We see what we want to see, and what we see is *always*
some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see doesn't
*appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it's because we
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sinhlnx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. In the Pseudo- or Neo-Advaitin "tradition": Ramana Maharshi,
> HWL Poonja, Nisargadatta Maharaj, Gangaji, I-Nome, Andrew Cohen,
> Adi Da, etc
I just skimmed the article, so maybe this is
answered and I missed i
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