--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:14 PM, new.morning wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > > > No that's not what I wanted folks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:14 PM, new.morning wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > > No that's not what I wanted folks to think
> >
> > How can you want others to think a certain way. Thoughts j
Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
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>> Eccentricity is often mistaken for art, but not for long. Time
>> always sorts out real art from the merely eccentric. A vata-deranged
>> character in a novel or a painting obviously does not necessarily
>> mean that the a
Barry writes snipped:
It's the same thing we see in those who feel that *their* subjec-
tive experiences are better than other people's subjective experiences.
Tom T:
Another way to look at any and all experiences is as a storage device.
We have an "Experience" and the reason we do is that we are
Peter wrote:
> I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
> disturbing crap. Why people think he is some kind of
> genius is beyond me. Almost all of his work expresses
> such emotional an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> > > wrote:
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> > > > So there is no wa
On Dec 3, 2007, at 1:14 PM, new.morning wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> No that's not what I wanted folks to think
How can you want others to think a certain way. Thoughts just come.
(or as a friend of mine use to say -- "thoughts just cum". B
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:40 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
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> > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > > > I'm with you on this one, Angela. It's very im
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> No that's not what I wanted folks to think
How can you want others to think a certain way. Thoughts just come.
(or as a friend of mine use to say -- "thoughts just cum". But she was
a pervert. :) )
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:42 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > > Vaj wrote:
> > > Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> > > of his films so disturbingly cre
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:40 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
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> > > So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > > Vaj wrote:
> > > Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> > > of his films so disturbingly create realms of mental hells one
> > > would only l
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> > wrote:
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> > > So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he was
> > > equally capable when he d
On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Now in DL's case some of us (like Dr. P and I) wonder why some
> of his films so disturbingly create realms of mental hells one
> would only likely experience in the mentally ill. Does some
> innate imbalance predi
On Dec 3, 2007, at 9:38 AM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he was
> equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he suddenly
> get cured of his vata imbalance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So there is no way DL can by summed up by MD. After all, he was
> equally capable when he did The Straight Story. Did he suddenly
> get cured of his vata imbalance? Like any artist, he simply
> assumes a diffe
On Dec 3, 2007, at 8:58 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
Eccentricity is often mistaken for art, but not for long. Time
always sorts out real art from the merely eccentric. A vata-
deranged character in a novel or a painting obviously does not
necessarily mean that the artist is vata-deranged.
Eccentricity is often mistaken for art, but not for long. Time always sorts
out real art from the merely eccentric. A vata-deranged character in a novel
or a painting obviously does not necessarily mean that the artist is
vata-deranged. The original charge was that MD is a vata-deranged piece
On Dec 3, 2007, at 12:48 AM, new.morning wrote:
I find the Vata premise full of air. And while I am no signing onto,
or off, the Lynch vata theory/premise -- lets suppose that is correct.
Films, novels, music etc are from different points of view. Part of
artistry is to convey different points
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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> > On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
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> > > I have no problem with fantastical elements in
> > > film or non-linear storytelling. But *
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
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> > I have no problem with fantastical elements in
> > film or non-linear storytelling. But *as a
> > personal preference*, I like storytelling. Lynch
> > often, as I h
Yeah, I, too say, "Amen" to Trinity's assessment. "Entarted" is especially
good.
nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Wow, thanks to Vaj I have now learned of a whole new range of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Wow, thanks to Vaj I have now learned of a whole new range of
> deceases, there are 'Vata derangements' there are 'Yogic disorders'
> and 'meditational disorders' and a great system of diagnosis as
well:
> Art (or should
Wow, thanks to Vaj I have now learned of a whole new range of
deceases, there are 'Vata derangements' there are 'Yogic disorders'
and 'meditational disorders' and a great system of diagnosis as well:
Art (or should I say 'ent-Art -ed'?) (of course in addition to the
quivering voice). I wonder if th
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
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> > Those who find the poor, tortured souls in "Mul-
> > holland Drive" fascinating and worthy of their
> > interest and/or their compassion should rent a
> > copy of "
On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
Those who find the poor, tortured souls in "Mul-
holland Drive" fascinating and worthy of their
interest and/or their compassion should rent a
copy of "The Story of Adele H."
I agree, just saw that last year, believe it or not. Great
storytellin
On Dec 2, 2007, at 2:23 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
I have no problem with fantastical elements in
film or non-linear storytelling. But *as a
personal preference*, I like storytelling. Lynch
often, as I hear from people who have worked
closely with him, doesn't even *have* a story
in mind; he just thr
On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:15 PM, authfriend wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not really part of the western mainstream practice (i.e. as in Dr.
> Pete's practice) it would not even be acknowledged by most of his
> peers. But make no mistake, Ayurveda wax
On Dec 1, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
No, you did not say he was sick. You said he was vata imbalanced
(much more specific than "sick," which I used as a "ballpark"
term). You also said that you can see this imbalance in his work.
Correct me if this is not what you said.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Peter wrote:
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> > "Psychic limbo" is a good phrase. Jimmy Stewart's
> > character in "Its a Wonderful Life" is a
> > psychologically healthy person struggling. Lynch's
> > main characters
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Peter wrote:
> > "Psychic limbo" is a good phrase. Jimmy Stewart's
> > character in "Its a Wonderful Life" is a
> > psychologically healthy person struggling. Lynch's
> > main characters seem to be wading through some sor
Vaj wrote:
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> On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, authfriend wrote:
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>> And, perhaps even more significantly, he says all
>> Lynch's work "expresses such emotional anguish and
>> such deep confusion and conflict," apparently
>> believing it is Lynch himself who is in emotional
>> anguish, confusion, and
No, you did not say he was sick. You said he was vata imbalanced (much more
specific than "sick," which I used as a "ballpark" term). You also said that
you can see this imbalance in his work. Correct me if this is not what you
said.
I said, basically, "Show me." "Where in Lynche's work do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I just spent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote:
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> > > I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> > > "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, l
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, authfriend wrote:
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> > And, perhaps even more significantly, he says all
> > Lynch's work "expresses such emotional anguish and
> > such deep confusion and conflict," apparently
> > believing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not really part of the western mainstream practice (i.e. as in Dr.
> Pete's practice) it would not even be acknowledged by most of his
> peers. But make no mistake, Ayurveda waxes quite eloquently on
> meditational disord
On Dec 1, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
This is a special instance of the intentional fallacy. The artist
is sick, therefore his art is also sick. You'd have to show that in
addition to stating that. Beethoven was deaf, but there is no
indication that his music was written by
This is a special instance of the intentional fallacy. The artist is sick,
therefore his art is also sick. You'd have to show that in addition to stating
that. Beethoven was deaf, but there is no indication that his music was written
by someone who was tone deaf.
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, authfriend wrote:
And, perhaps even more significantly, he says all
Lynch's work "expresses such emotional anguish and
such deep confusion and conflict," apparently
believing it is Lynch himself who is in emotional
anguish, confusion, and conflict, when just about
e
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote:
> >
> > I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> > "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> > can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
>
TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would state your last sentence differently,
"The critic has to sling more bullshit than
the artist to hide the fact that he doesn't
have any creative ideas of his own." :-)
A person slinging bullshit is not generally regarded as a competent critic, but
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As far as I can tell,
> both from watching his films and from knowing the
> woman who was his personal secretary for some time
> and hearing her stories, there *isn't* an
TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As far as I can tell,
both from watching his films and from knowing the
woman who was his personal secretary for some time
and hearing her stories, there *isn't* any deep
meaning. He just films weird images that he sees
in his head. They don't mean anythi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote:
> >
> > I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> > "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> > can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
> disturbing crap.
I would replace "disturbing" with "self-indulgent
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
> disturbing crap. Why people think he is some kind of
> genius is be
Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd rather drive carpet tacks into my eyes. (Hey, good
scene for a new Lynch movie)
Well, if such horror as this were all there is to a Lynch movie, then, truly,
it would not be art. There are plenty of movies around that do nothing more
than show such horror.
--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> > "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if
> I
> > can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece
> of
> > di
This is a truly beautiful glimpse into what that movie is about. Thanks for
posting it. a
t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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The appropriate point of this work was that the arti
Yes, but remember a great artist is the totality of all there is. So once
that's pointed out, what is there to say?
A great deal, as it turns out, since there is still the uniqueness of who he is
in a particular time and place since, as Shakespeare says, inspiration must
take a local name an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But the subject matter per se is hardly ever the issue.
..
The artist is the subject matter, always. It is the only issue.
.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> "Mulholland Drive".
...
I don't believe many critic's know where to place Lynch's formula of
obscurity = meaning. So open are the number of possible of
interpretations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I remember an essay or a talk by MMY that began with the words, "Beautiful
> life, ugly
>life." If any of you remember it or have a copy of it, I sure would love to
>see the whole
>thing again. The appropri
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> I remember an essay or a talk by MMY that began with the words, "Beautiful
> life, ugly
life." If any of you remember it or have a copy of it, I sure would love to
see the whole
thing again. The appropri
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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The appropriate point of this work was that the artist does not care
whether he is portraying beautiful life or ugly life. It is all
worthy of his attention, his talent, and his inspiration.
>
> No art critic w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
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> I just spent 2 hours watching David Lynch's
> "Mulholland Drive". I thought, okay, let me see if I
> can actually enjoy one of his films. What a piece of
> disturbing crap. Why people think he is some kind of
> genius is be
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