[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I'll think about why this is. Maybe it is > > > because I feel you guys are even. Not that > > > Barry doesn't often shoot first, I believe he > > > does. But trying to go behind you to > > > "cor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > i stayed away from mentioning TM deliberately, and focused instead > > on the benefits of transcending. it is too easy to confuse the > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> > I'll think about why this is. Maybe it is because > > I feel you guys are even. Not that Barry doesn't > > often shoot first, I believe he does. But trying to > > go behind you to "correct" things seems pretty > > pointless to me. > > (Not sure what you mean by "go behind.") You don't let

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > (And if John is so conditioned by the lack of good > > will between us that he has to respond with such > > hostility, what does that say about Barry's claim > > that the "grudge" is all on my side?) > > I d

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

"curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't feel > that you have seething contempt for me. (Please don't correct me if > this is wrong, this belief is working for me!) I'm gonna stop right there, cuz I have to take my son to church and take a walk with my wife. But I'm going out wit

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> (And if John is so conditioned by the lack of good > will between us that he has to respond with such > hostility, what does that say about Barry's claim > that the "grudge" is all on my side?) I don't think that the grudge is only on your side. I disagree with Barry on that. > > > I hope you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > John's interactions with Judy often resembled Barry's > > interactions, IIRC. > > And her interactions with everyone else. :-) > > > Judy doesn't suffer

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the record, and to declare an absolute > level of comfort with my own blackpottedness, > my first post this morning was, in fact, a > shot at Judy. It wasn't a "tweak," it was > a full-fledged shot. > > But that wa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> > I think you are being a bit slippery here. Thanks for correcting my typo! > > As the vocalist in a bluegrass group I > used to like was fond of saying, "Slipprier > than deer guts on a pump handle." Wow, that really invokes a whole era. You have to skin deer in the Fall when it is cold.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > There is no question who started this fight, and > > > why. > > > > Right, John did, wildly overreacting to a little > > tweak from me. > > How many times have you protested to this group that > Barry

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > There is no question who started this fight, and > > > why. > > > > Right, John did, wildly overreacting to a little > > tweak from me. > > How many times have you protested to this group that Barry >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> > There is no question who started this fight, and > > why. > > Right, John did, wildly overreacting to a little > tweak from me. How many times have you protested to this group that Barry "started" a rally of exchanges by insulting you Judy? That your reaction was compelled by his negitive c

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > > >> Judy doesn't suffer fools without challenge and those she > >> consider fools often react to her challenges in similar ways. > > > > Some, like John, have not learned yet

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > John's interactions with Judy often resembled Barry's > > interactions, IIRC. > > And her interactions with everyone else. :-) > > > Judy doesn't suffer

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

On Dec 7, 2008, at 4:15 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: >> Judy doesn't suffer fools without challenge and those she >> consider fools often react to her challenges in similar ways. > > Some, like John, have not learned yet that Judy > has no other choice than to try to start fights. > She isn't smart eno

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John's interactions with Judy often resembled Barry's > interactions, IIRC. And her interactions with everyone else. :-) > Judy doesn't suffer fools without challenge and those she > consider fools often react to her

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > Ironically, TM is recommended for PTSD victims. It > > would be hard to make a case that the technique > > itself, even if used too much, is the cause of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, you are making some assumptions that aren't really warranted > -- and raising some > questions that are interesting. What are the assumptions? > Naturally, if a person has other traumatic events or o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Similarly, I have a rather large sample of cult > veterans who have presented with a set of symptoms > -- apparently more frequently than the population > at large. I think it's highly likely that the > sympt

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ironically, TM is recommended for PTSD victims. It > would be hard to make a case that the technique > itself, even if used too much, is the cause of the > problem, though, it conceivably could contribute to > behavioral

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Wow, a little thin-skinned there, John, aren't you? > > > > > > You

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > I read John's list of psychological disorders, which could be gotten > > o

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > "Imagined"? You *did* make a goof, assuming a post > > was addressed to you when it clearly was not (which > > you haven't acknowledged, let

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You can see a photo of me in the Photos section of > > the FFL Web site if you're interested. > > > > That's just more virtual experience that gives me no idea of you as a person. > > I'm quite comfo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Imagined"? You *did* make a goof, assuming a post > was addressed to you when it clearly was not (which > you haven't acknowledged, let alone laughed at); and > you *did* tell us yourself, at some length, that you >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People who think they need help for whatever reason should get help > and they should. But how do you know they need help because of an > affiliation with a cult? Just because a symptom is rare do not mean it > is beca

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Judy, Is it a date? It's a lovely invitation. > Maybe everyone on FF Life should get together > for coffee and put names to faces. It can be fun to get together with people you've come to like; at least that's been m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Wow, a little thin-skinned there, John, aren't you? > > > > You goofed, and I poked a bit of fun at you. Instead > > of acknowledging the go

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Wow, a little thin-skinned there, John, aren't you? > > > > You goofed, and I poked a bit of fun at you. Instead > > of acknowledging the g

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > > > I read John's list of psychological disorders, which could be gotten > > of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Wow, a little thin-skinned there, John, aren't you? > > You goofed, and I poked a bit of fun at you. Instead > of acknowledging the goof and laughing at yourself, > you take a swing at me. Were you really insulted? >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > > I read John's list of psychological disorders, which could be gotten > off the internet, and the list of symptoms could apply to anyone > regardless of inv

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > i stayed away from mentioning TM deliberately, and focused instead > on the benefits of transcending. it is too easy to confuse the > practice of transcending with the practice of TM, and miss the point > of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

Wow, a little thin-skinned there, John, aren't you? You goofed, and I poked a bit of fun at you. Instead of acknowledging the goof and laughing at yourself, you take a swing at me. Were you really insulted? Were your feelings really hurt? (It's also rather odd that you say you "don't know" me, gi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since Willytex's post wasn't addressed to John, > but rather was in response to a post of OffWorld > that was commenting on an earlier post of > Willytex's quoting Geoff Coulson, I'm wondering if > John's assumption

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" > wrote: > > > > > I'm even more confused. What is your point? > > My point is that you are a sorry little fellow. > Get a checking, and then a life !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" > jmknapp53@ wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 > wrote: > > > > > so its not a joke he is making, but rather a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > > so its not a joke he is making, but rather a gentle suggestion on > > how to truly live a happier, more effective life. > > > > Hi,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > > > Here's a really nice message from > > Susan and I think she does a great > > job of introducing herself to the > > internet - h

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm even more confused. What is your point? My point is that you are a sorry little fellow. Get a checking, and then a life !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

-- > Tex, discussing MMY is very different from discussing any one of us or > other private figure. MMY was a public figure that had tremendous > influence on a large number of people and one way or another had a big > effect on each of our lives. So, in my mind rumors are fair game to > share an

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You are a poster on your own blog, are you not? I'm even more confused. What is your point? As I said in the previous post, I posted the Sexy Sadie file. I'm really having trouble following you. > But yo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > so its not a joke he is making, but rather a gentle suggestion on > how to truly live a happier, more effective life. > Hi, enlightened dawn, I think I liked it better when I thought it was a joke! I practic

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Get a grip, John - it was you and Rick that > > > posted the private emails containing the > > > rumors about the Marshy's private sex life. > > > > John M. Knapp wrote: > > Well, we are talking about t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> > Get a grip, John - it was you and Rick that > > posted the private emails containing the > > rumors about the Marshy's private sex life. > > John M. Knapp wrote: > Well, we are talking about two separate things. > You complained about the posters at TM Free > Blog. I was responding to that.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here's a really nice message from > Susan and I think she does a great > job of introducing herself to the > internet - her story doesn't seem > to have any resemblance to most of > the messages here

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" > > wrote: > > > > > I do take responsibility for what I post, however. > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Naturally, I'm no more responsible for what > > posters at TM-Free Blog post than is Rick > > Archer responsible for what is posted here. > > > Get a grip, John - it was you and Rick that > posted the p

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" > wrote: > > > I do take responsibility for what I post, however. > > Certainly. But please do have a checking. > Hmm, I seem to remember you making th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> Naturally, I'm no more responsible for what > posters at TM-Free Blog post than is Rick > Archer responsible for what is posted here. > Get a grip, John - it was you and Rick that posted the private emails containing the rumors about the Marshy's private sex life. > Sudarsha, who was once th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

off wrote: > I actually agree with everything > Willytex said here. I think the > TM movement is a lot less smug > than it used to be though. > Here's a really nice message from Susan and I think she does a great job of introducing herself to the internet - her story doesn't seem to have any

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do take responsibility for what I post, however. Certainly. But please do have a checking.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

Hi, Willy Tex, Naturally, I'm no more responsible for what posters at TM-Free Blog post than is Rick Archer responsible for what is posted here. I do take responsibility for what I post, however. I have posted numerous times in response to your assertion that I am a lousy exit counselor that I am

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Knapp wrote: > > I have specific experience with > > Transcendental Meditation. I was > > a member for 23 years, becoming a > > Governor/Sidha. Since 1995 I've >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sounds like you're talking about the republican party under bush. > > > OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

> sounds like you're talking about the republican party under bush. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

John M. Knapp wrote: > It would be great if you could tell me more > about your thoughts. > Your blog members failed to answer my basic questions, and they treated me with scorn. All I wanted to know is did any of you really see the Marshy having sex with any female students. There are seve

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Knapp, LMSW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Someone emailed me to ask about "derivative narcissism." You can find my > story here . > "Derivative narcissism" is my term for what I observe among

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

Someone emailed me to ask about "derivative narcissism." You can find my story here . "Derivative narcissism" is my term for what I observe among some current and former members of toxic groups. Frequently group leaders are narcissistic - and f

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

Hi, Willy Tex, I guess my original response to your note didn't post correctly. Hope it works this time! I'm a little confused by your post. I was never a member of TM-EX, although I have met Pat Ryan a few times. I may have met Joe Kelly as well, it slips my memory. But to my knowledge the organi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Knapp wrote: > > I have specific experience with > > Transcendental Meditation. I was > > a member for 23 years, becoming a > > Governor/Sidha. Since 1995 I've > > worked with over 1,000 former > > mem

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John Knapp wrote: > > I have specific experience with > > Transcendental Meditation. I was > > a member for 23 years, becoming a > > Governor/Sidha. Since 1995 I've > > worked with over 1,000 former > > mem

[FairfieldLife] Re: Online Recovery Support Groups Starting in January

John Knapp wrote: > I have specific experience with > Transcendental Meditation. I was > a member for 23 years, becoming a > Governor/Sidha. Since 1995 I've > worked with over 1,000 former > members... > From: Geoffrey Coulson Subject: Re: Awareness Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental