[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

s, keep > the baby (-: > > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:18 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment > > >  

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Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 8:18 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment   Thanks for this - I agree completely with it. On FFL there is very little blind obedience to ANYTHING. All of us have been around the block, so what may look to you like inordinate defense of a guru,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

nablusoss1008: > My point was that the Turq claims he was in CC > in Fuiggi but in reality he had a few days of > witnessing, believing it was CC. This short > experience decades ago have made such an > impression on the poor soul that he keeps > referring to it as a major event in his life

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shifts when they > happen.  And life is always there to show me what refinement still needs to > happen. > > > > From: navashok > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 4:34 AM > Subject: [Fai

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

de it easier for me to catch these shifts when they happen.  And life is always there to show me what refinement still needs to happen. From: navashok To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2013 4:34 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Renou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Looks like there's already a flag on the play - Navashok calls > roughing the passer, but it looks like the officials will overturn it... > > > > The confessi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" wrote: > > Per Jerry Jarvis (his opinion not shared by many Buddhists) although he used > the word "Unity": After Unity and dropping the physical body, the purpose of > evolution has been fulfilled and there's no further relative existence for > su

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Looks like there's already a flag on the play - Navashok calls roughing the passer, but it looks like the officials will overturn it... > > > The confession is only recent. To me it seems that the guy has strong > > enlightenment

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Looks like there's already a flag on the play - Navashok calls roughing the passer, but it looks like the officials will overturn it... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > > > Recently a friend alerted m

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > Recently a friend alerted me that an Advaita teacher he knows, Cesar Teruel, 'renounced' his enlightenment, making a 'Confession' at his facebook page https://www.facebook.com/teruelcesar He is on Batgap too http://batgap.com/cesar-teruel/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

Per Jerry Jarvis (his opinion not shared by many Buddhists) although he used the word "Unity": After Unity and dropping the physical body, the purpose of evolution has been fulfilled and there's no further relative existence for subtle bodies since there's no "need". ... This differs from many B

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

On this note, I shall not reveal how enlightened I have become, even if it is over 20 pounds less, for which this thread of this topic of renouncing enlightenment is really hilarious reading (minus the guru's with guns for pussy)reminds me of this sketch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww6z0EEEq

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

MEMO: Jimbo to Bee - the *thoughts* below, are yours, and yours alone. When you ascribe them to someone else, you are acting out a psychological process, the transference of your personal feelings onto another, called p-r-o-j-e-c-t-i-l-e-v-o-m-i-t-i-n-g. :-) :-) :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yaho

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

Yeah, I have heard stuff like that before. I respect that not everyone feels like talking about it, from a personal point of view. On the other hand, if I want to, why not? I agree that the caution expressed by a lot of Gurus, is a good thing to have in place, though not as an absolute law. Al

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Nope, just passing on what a lot of gurus say. On 02/06/2013 11:46 AM, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: > "One should never claim enlightenment but it is perfectly > okay to say one is experiencing some enlightenment." > > Huh?! Who the fuck made you King? You are proclaiming what a person can,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > Could this have been one of those "secret teachings" > > > divulged only

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > I honestly don't know which is sadder -- that Judy > and Jimbo believe that FFL is all about a battle > between themselves and me, or that they think > they are winning. :-) It sure makes fun reading. Hull breach immanent! > --- In F

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > I honestly don't know which is sadder -- that Judy > and Jimbo believe that FFL is all about a battle > between themselves and me, or that they think > they are winning. :-) That's OK, Barry, you just sit there and try to figure it ou

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > Could this have been one of those "secret teachings" > > divulged only to TM teachers? Because it was always my > > understanding that one could slip into a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Could this have been one of those "secret teachings" > divulged only to TM teachers? Because it was always my > understanding that one could slip into and out of the > experience of any state of consciousness, although at > some poi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

I honestly don't know which is sadder -- that Judy and Jimbo believe that FFL is all about a battle between themselves and me, or that they think they are winning. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > >

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl2-bu0XK-4 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > Ever notice how ego-maniacs end up looking like masochists, > > due to their arrogance? lol. ya can't make this stuff up fo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Ever notice how ego-maniacs end up looking like masochists, > due to their arrogance? lol. ya can't make this stuff up folks! I've wondered whether Barry actually gets some kind of twisted pleasure out of being repeatedly humiliat

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

Ever notice how ego-maniacs end up looking like masochists, due to their arrogance? lol. ya can't make this stuff up folks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > I was not confused by it, since my first

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > I was not confused by it, since my first (dirty) witnessing > experiences were on residence courses, and they faded about > a day after the course. I was not ever told that this state > was permanent, if experienced. Just the oppo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

I was not confused by it, since my first (dirty) witnessing experiences were on residence courses, and they faded about a day after the course. I was not ever told that this state was permanent, if experienced. Just the opposite. Shit, its been 40 years for Bee since the TM daze - He just doesn

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

"One should never claim enlightenment but it is perfectly okay to say one is experiencing some enlightenment." Huh?! Who the fuck made you King? You are proclaiming what a person can, and cannot say, about enlightenment?? You are a reasonable person and movie buff, but, "We don't nd no steen

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: (snip) > Bahd idea, as Ahnold might say. For many of them, the > experiences soon faded, and they would have been thought > of as fools or liars if they *admitted* that they had > faded, because within the TM org at that time, it was > *assu

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/06/2013 06:26 AM, navashok wrote: > > > > Recently a friend alerted me that an Advaita teacher > > he knows, Cesar Teruel, 'renounced' his enlightenment, > > making a 'Confession' at his facebook page > > https://www.facebook.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: (snip) > > Often people who "renounce" their enlightenment weren't > > enlightened to begin with. How many people are there who have "renounced" their enlightenment? And how did you l

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 02/06/2013 06:26 AM, navashok wrote: > > Recently a friend alerted me that an Advaita teacher he knows, Cesar > > Teruel, 'renounced' his enlightenment, making a 'Confession' at his > > facebook page https://www.facebook.com/teruelce

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

OHhhh our"self-luminous Self,"self-revealing in everything Doesn't he say "Life is effortless existence!"? " plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose (the more things change, the more they stay the same) Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr http://batgap.com/the-signposter-troy-of-is/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

I can't speak for Cesar. To comment, rather than have a knee-jerk reaction, see his video on Batgap and read his confession at FB. To see it you have to become a friend. And, yes I know all the Neo-Advaita standard phrase book, thanks, no need. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbas

[FairfieldLife] Re: Renouncing enlightenment

Enlightenment isn't "experiences". It is a state of consciousness, permanently, that continues to evolve, once it is established. You people that associate enlightenment with Flashy Experiences need to get beyond that concept. Has nothing to do with it. It is about not being overshadowed in acti