--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/2835ty
Much better. I like his last question to Sullivan.
This rap also pretty much dispatches the speculation
that he's a closet Buddhist.
One quote I liked: Do you really think that the
23rd
I think this is the heart of Sam Harris's point. If religion makes
statements about how the world is, then it should be held to the same
standards that rule our other beliefs. I think he is trying to see if
there is any condition of proof that would contradict the belief in
God which is the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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I think this is the heart of Sam Harris's point. If religion
makes statements about how the world is, then it should be held
to the same standards that rule our other beliefs.
But religion generally doesn't make
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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I know that religion has gotten
this pass in the past and Harris is trying to change
that. It is one thing to irrationally
Some very interesting commentary on the Sullivan-Harris
blogalogue on Sullivan's own blog, where he quotes some
of his email, and links to two posts on other blogs.
Sullivan's blog:
http://tinyurl.com/282lc3
The two blog posts he links to:
http://tinyurl.com/yr6x3b
http://tinyurl.com/2d5duh
from todays over the Hedge cartoon strip
Abe Lincoln said:
When I do good I feel good,when I do bad I feel bad. Doing good is my
religion.
Tom T
Thanks for the great links. I'll read up. This is a fascinating
discussion and I'm glad Sam Harris is pressing his point. The fact
that he is pressing it on a guy who seems decent and smart himself
makes it all the better.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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Thanks for the great links. I'll read up. This is a fascinating
discussion and I'm glad Sam Harris is pressing his point. The fact
that he is pressing it on a guy who seems decent and smart himself
makes it
I totally live for this.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Thanks for the great links. I'll read up. This is a fascinating
discussion and I'm glad Sam Harris is
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/2835ty
Talk about being unclear on the concept...
Harris concludes:
Let me close by asking you a simple question:
What would constitute 'proof' for you that your
current beliefs about God are
Well said, Mark. I wouldn't touch the last lines
with a ten-foot pole :-), but I sure am interested
to hear the response.
The problem with believing that you know the
Absolute Truth is that it all too often goes
hand in hand with believing that you have the
right (or worse, the God-given duty)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well said, Mark. I wouldn't touch the last lines
with a ten-foot pole :-), but I sure am interested
to hear the response.
Since Barry already knows quite well what my
response would be, this is (surprise!) just a bit
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
markmeredith@ wrote:
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I think everyone here has misread Harris's viewpoints,
(BTW, this is the response to Mark that I posted
a couple days ago, just showing up now.)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
markmeredith@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Hi, I have not posted for a month or two -- and have read only a few
threads that caught my interest. Sorry if my comments reflect this
deficiency.
I find a number of posts / articles
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On a parallel front, Sam makes a point that doing the right thing
(my words) -- what many would consider campassionate and ethical
action -- CAN and often does manifest with NO religion. Indeed
compassionate
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@
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On a parallel front, Sam makes a point that doing the right thing
(my words) -- what many would consider campassionate and ethical
action
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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Sullivan sounds to me much more like one of these
Christians than the kind that Harris apparently
envisions.
True.
And, (not
---Right, Harris' overall point is that using logic coupled with
scientific reason and common sense can help us separate the truth
from what is patently false; and that the latter can get in the way
of our quest for happiness. That's his point.Brain power: use it
or lose it; or let
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---Right, Harris' overall point is that using logic coupled
with scientific reason and common sense can help us separate
the truth from what is patently false; and that the latter
can get in the way of our quest for
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wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Hi, I have not posted for a month or two -- and have read only a
few
threads that caught my interest. Sorry if my
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
markmeredith@ wrote:
snip
I think everyone here has misread Harris's viewpoints,
which might be expected from this type of group.
Harris does not deny the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
As a nonreligionist whose assumptions don't
jibe with those of either of these guys, I don't
think Harris knows as much as he thinks he does
about the scriptural texts and religious
perspectives he's dumping on,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
As a nonreligionist whose assumptions don't
jibe with those of either of these guys, I don't
think Harris knows as much as he thinks
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists
he rants about. Sullivan made excellent points that
Harris doesn't know how to respond to, and it's
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists
he rants about.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
j_alexander_stanley@ wrote:
I see that as a battle of two individuals who are locked into
egoic
identity, identified with their limited relative existence,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The middle-way readers have it right, IMO.
What is going on is two people -- who see the
world completely differently, wearing two
completely different states of attention,
each bringing to the table completely
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I think everyone here has misread Harris's viewpoints,
which might be expected from this type of group.
Harris does not deny the existence of unbounded eternal
divinity or anything else in that realm, he
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I consider myself fortunate to have worked with Fred
Lenz (Rama), despite many negatives, because when you
were around him the energy field was so strong that
it was almost impossible to hold onto *anything* long
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists
he rants about.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists
he rants about.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of a fanatic as the fundamentalists
he rants about. Sullivan made
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coshlnx coshlnx@ wrote:
http://www.tinyurl.com/yvkdc3
Important to read the earlier part of the exchange
to get a proper perspective on Harris's response.
He's just as much of
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