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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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Marek:
It's a pleasure to indulge in conversations like this. Real satsang.
Thank you.]
Me: What is cool for me is to connect with people like yourself whose
practice is so mature. Guys like you, and others here, have practiced
meditation techniques for a very long time. Your own contributions
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have a term in your spiritual vocabulary enlightened,
then yes I think it does. However, I am not a spiritual person...
For the record, Curtis, I think you're a *very*
spiritual person. Your spirituality
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
A new topic, hopefully bias- and argumentation-free.
Because the topic has come up on several different
forums of which I am a member lately,
Shri Devi, because she fucking rocks!!! Ho
Soouuu
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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 1:53 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've been digging the Sam Harris discussion. I haven't had
the time to be generative, but I have enjoyed checking in and
seeing some detailed thoughts on his debate. I look forward
to your definitions in this
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
I've been digging the Sam Harris discussion. I haven't had
the time to be generative, but I have enjoyed checking in and
seeing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
snip
So I don't really think the original question is
very meaningful; and given Barry's responses to
others' comments, it seems pretty clear that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
If you have a term in your spiritual vocabulary enlightened,
then yes I think it does. However, I am not a spiritual person...
For
I am trying to relate to the term in both ways, how do I personally
relate to the term in my own life, and how do I relate to the term
when others use it. This discussion reminds me of my favorite movie
call Heaven by Dianne Keaton from 1983, where she asked people to
descibe heaven in some
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wrote:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some
thought.
Thanks, and thanks for giving it some thought.
It goes to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@
wrote:
snip
So I don't really think the original question is
very meaningful; and given Barry's responses to
others' comments, it seems pretty clear that it
was intended to serve as a vehicle for putdowns
by Barry of those
In a message dated 1/29/07 7:12:02 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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So, like when Jesus, went before the Pilot;
And Pilot demanded: 'Show me a miracle, then, Jew-boy!
So, it just doesn't work that way...
That was Herrod Antipas that asked for a little teensy weensy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
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Large S Self Knows Large S Self. What else do you need to Know.
I can buy this one. I was speaking specifically to
those who throw around the term 'enlightened' but
who make no claim to be other
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tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
Large S Self Knows Large S Self. What else do you need to Know.
I can buy this one. I was speaking
Jim: There also appear to be two exceptions to this 'listing' behavior,
and those are the postings of Curtis and new morning. However upon
closer examination, both of their postings weren't really listing
criteria for non-dual Self realization, but rather desirable
attributes of being, so more
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/29/07 7:12:02 A.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, like when Jesus, went before the Pilot;
And Pilot demanded: 'Show me a miracle, then, Jew-boy!
So, it just doesn't work that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote:
Large S Self Knows Large
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if a person presents themselves as enlightened, I just figure
they are having a compelling subjective experience, and don't think
much about it unless they attempt to use this claim as a leverage
point to act
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tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
For me enlightenment is the ability to deeply understand another
person's point of view. So I do have an ideal in mind and I do strive
to practice understanding what another person's world view is like in
order to grow in this ability. It is more of a perspective than a
state of consciousness in
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim: There also appear to be two exceptions to this 'listing'
behavior,
and those are the postings of Curtis and new morning. However
upon
closer examination, both of their postings weren't really listing
Comment below:
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**snip**
Me: To address consciousness more head on, I believe that people can
alter the way their minds functions radically through meditation.
It
happened to me so I don't have any reason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me enlightenment is the ability to deeply understand
another person's point of view.
IMO, the best comment made so far in this thread,
including any of mine.
So I do have an ideal in mind and I do strive
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Excellent points, Curtis, (gee, and from a non-spiritual
primatologist at that).
Just a few comments from my end, however. The fact that you
have had experiences of my Self being the essence of the
universe and
Me: I'm glad you weighed in, I enjoyed your post. I don't mean to
discount the experiences of alternate states of consciousness as
profound or even useful. I just have a different view of what they
mean.
Marek: But from its own platform, the recognition of
that underlying Awareness that is
In a message dated 1/29/07 12:33:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, like when Jesus, went before the Pilot;
And Pilot demanded: 'Show me a miracle, then, Jew-boy!
So, it just doesn't work that way...
That was Herrod Antipas that asked for a little teensy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 1/29/07 12:33:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, like when Jesus, went before the Pilot;
And Pilot demanded: 'Show me a miracle, then, Jew-boy!
So, it just doesn't work that
Comment below:
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Me: I'm glad you weighed in, I enjoyed your post. I don't mean to
discount the experiences of alternate states of consciousness as
profound or even useful. I just have a different view of what
Marek: But do you feel that the content-free, unbounded state is who
you are
(without denying the Curtis guy who does his Delta Blues thing)? Is
the silent witness just one of the items on your plate or is it
something like the plate itself? Bad analogy, I know, but you know
what I'm asking,
Quick reply below:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
**snip**
It has been a cool thread so far, hasn't it? Thanks
to you for getting it, and for taking it to a whole
new level.
What you just did is what conversation is all about
to me. Those
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
I figure that the guys in the Vedic tradition were doing the
best they could to explain human consciousness, and I don't
discount their contribution. I just feel that we have learned
a bit since then and
[Comments] interleaved:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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Marek: But do you feel that the content-free, unbounded state is who
you are
(without denying the Curtis guy who does his Delta Blues thing)? Is
the silent witness just one of the items
On Jan 29, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Marek Reavis wrote:
But I do think that his use of bija mantras that
could be correlated to the stage of a person's life at the time they
begin the meditation, by the devata they refer to (Saraswati for
student years, Lakshmi for the start of the householder
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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I figure that the guys in the Vedic tradition were doing the
best they could to explain human consciousness, and I don't
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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I figure that the guys in the Vedic tradition were
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
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I figure that the guys in the Vedic tradition were
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some thought. It
goes to the core of all our beliefs about spirituality.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A new topic, hopefully bias- and argumentation-free.
Because the topic has come up on
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some thought. It
goes to the core of all our beliefs about spirituality.
Does it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A new topic, hopefully bias- and argumentation-free.
Because the topic has come up on several different
forums of which I am a member lately, with edifying
answers, I pass the question along to Fairfield Life:
What
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some
thought. It goes to the core of all our beliefs about
spirituality.
I thought you didn't believe in enlightenment, period.
If you have a term in your spiritual vocabulary enlightened, then
yes I think it does. However, I am not a spiritual person, so I am
happy to be corrected if this is not the case. I think most of the
people here use the term with some sense of meaning and this is
important to their epistemology.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some
thought. It goes to the core of all our beliefs about
spirituality.
I
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
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curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some
I've been digging the Sam Harris discussion. I haven't had the time
to be generative, but I have enjoyed checking in and seeing some
detailed thoughts on his debate. I look forward to your definitions
in this discussion. I do believe in different ways of people's
functioning so I have to give
Bhairitu wrote:
Whether or not their third eye is open (it will look
like a bright white celestial spot of light on the
forehead) and what their aura looks like.
Maybe on some other planet, or in a Lobsang Rampa book, but everyone
knows that you can tell an enlightened sadhu by the twelve
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On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 6:27 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is
enlightened?
If you have a term in your spiritual vocabulary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What criteria would convince you that someone you
met was enlightened?
Well, for one, 'enlightened' is a word that carries a lot of baggage
and means different things to different people and traditions. But,
speculating
Richard J. Williams wrote:
Bhairitu wrote:
Whether or not their third eye is open (it will look
like a bright white celestial spot of light on the
forehead) and what their aura looks like.
Maybe on some other planet, or in a Lobsang Rampa book, but everyone
knows that you can
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A new topic, hopefully bias- and argumentation-free.
Because the topic has come up on several different
forums of which I am a member lately, with edifying
answers, I pass the question along to Fairfield Life:
What
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some thought. It
goes to the core of all our beliefs about spirituality.
Beliefs? We ain't got no beliefs! We don't need no beliefs! I don't
have to show you
Good topic. One explored from different angles in the past. Archives
has a lot.
But to me, the core issue is use of a label (enlightenement) -- a
representative symbol / term, in and of itself and abstraction (the
word/concept, not the state.) Its sort of like a dog chasing his tail
sort of
: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why would you believe that someone is
enlightened?
If you have a term in your spiritual vocabulary enlightened, then
yes I think it does. However, I am not a spiritual person,
By my definition you are.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Brilliant topic. I will weigh in by tomorrow after some
thought.
Thanks, and thanks for giving it some thought.
It goes to the core of all our beliefs about spirituality.
I think so, too. It first arose on
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