Poor choice of words then. True, with your history you should definitely
have the understanding. Like Ammachi would say most in spirituality have
the knowledge, it's the awarenes (as in being a Sakshi or a witness)
that is lacking.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mark Landau wrote:
>
> Thank
Thank you, Ravi, for your kind words. And I will take you at your word about
the condescension. But, if I remember correctly, that email already had in it
"as I've already explained" and how could someone with my history possibly not
thoroughly understand the Satguru principle?
On Jul 27, 201
"the self-same principle that Ravi was (condescendingly, I must say, (it
takes one to know one)) trying to explain to me way back when."
Mark, I have been (intentionally) condescending to others ("low vibe"
writer types) but not when I was responding to you, sorry if it appeared
otherwise. Your hea
Yes, Jim (how long does it take, here, to put names to email addresses?), I,
too, find this true and beautiful, with one possible exception. The heart, the
true heart (IME, E & U), has no need whatsoever for story gratification. The
true heart, the lion heart, is a far better organ of percepti
Yes, a result of many tumbled houses of cards!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
>
> Jim, thanks that's beautiful.
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"
> wrote:
> >
> > The key word is "story". As far as I can tell, all living things
> attempt to continuous
Jim, thanks that's beautiful.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7"
wrote:
>
> The key word is "story". As far as I can tell, all living things
attempt to continuously solve problems, like a spider spinning a web to
increase its capability to feed itself, or a cheetah sprinting at 70
* * Oh, this is so beautiful, Doug.
Many thanks; you have given us the keys to the Kingdom!
:-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Oh yes, The files will get you to an amazing web page that has these digital
> files of hymns. Go to their home page and you'll see a lin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Abiding and un-abiding unity as Varying apertures in experience. Great
> > thread here. Last month Rick Archer put up some audio files of Adyashanti
> > here acknowl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
wrote:
[...]
> If the requirement is true, then the current evidence is everyone has
> failed miserably to attain enlightenment. Thus SRM, the world plan and
> its successors are a total failure.
>
Why is that? Development of worl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
>
> Abiding and un-abiding unity as Varying apertures in experience. Great
> thread here. Last month Rick Archer put up some audio files of Adyashanti
> here acknowledging and talking about this in the way that Adyashanti teaches.
>
>
>
Hello,
Short,, done TM 1968-1973, met Maharishi in Spain, he gave me a mantra...
also met J. Krishnamurti in 1979.-
Conc. your "There is the case of Krishnamurti of whom Maharishi said was 'too
far gone in unity'."...:
If M. meant JK. was too far gone, I wonder then why, when they met on a fligh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > > There's actually a diversion that takes place at the subtle
> > > level that damns sidhi practitioners f
> > How do you feel about those traditions that eschew
> > special powers as an impediment to spiritual progress?
> >
Vaj:
> The Holy Shankaracharya Order - the tradition Mahesh
> claimed authorization from - is one such tradition. The
> standard text in enlightenment in that trad. not only
On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
IME can also refer to the less commonly used "in my estimation".
From the context, I assumed estimation rather than experience, but
being FFL, ya never know.
Yes, you're correct. I thought of putting IMEst, but it seemed clumsy
and too p
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> > There's actually a diversion that takes place at the subtle
> > level that damns sidhi practitioners from enlightenment for
> > many lifetimes. It sets them on a downward cours
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> There's actually a diversion that takes place at the subtle
> level that damns sidhi practitioners from enlightenment for
> many lifetimes. It sets them on a downward course that will
> takes lifetimes to recover from IME. In that sense, the
> d
> > > Shri Ramakrishna has stated that a man cannot
> > > realise God if he possesses even one of the
> > > eight occult powers...
> > >
whynotnow:
> You remain terrified of sidhis and other elements
> of life that you clearly don't understand and have
> never integrated, preferring instead t
The key word is "story". As far as I can tell, all living things attempt to
continuously solve problems, like a spider spinning a web to increase its
capability to feed itself, or a cheetah sprinting at 70 mph for the same
purpose.
For us humans, problem solving takes on another dimension, in
You are so full of shit Vaj. You sound like a wimpy little kid who can't play
with the big kids, and so makes up all kinds of stories to his mom. You
supposedly follow Buddhist thought, but you come across as the most
superficial, frustrated fundamentalist Christian.
You remain terrified of si
On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
Shri Ramakrishna has stated that a man cannot realise God if he
possesses even one of the eight occult powers. He quoted Lord
Krishna teaching Arjuna "Friend, if you want to realise Me, you
will not succeed if you have even one of
On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Xenophaneros Anartaxius wrote:
How do you feel about those traditions that eschew special powers
as an impediment to spiritual progress? For example in Yoga
Vasistha there is the following"
The Holy Shankaracharya Order - the tradition Mahesh claimed
authori
Abiding and un-abiding unity as Varying apertures in experience. Great thread
here. Last month Rick Archer put up some audio files of Adyashanti here
acknowledging and talking about this in the way that Adyashanti teaches.
Similarly I noticed this thread too coming up in an old hymnal that I
I have to clarify further. Some of Robin's views seem to mesh well with
my experience - that Unity is a transient state and that it doesn't
match reality.
However his conclusions and decisions since then seem very bizarre. That
he was in Unity for 25 years seems odd, may be he meant post-UC.?
I ca
"I have never heard that MMY declared Robin to be fully enlightened with
no more growth possible. only that his experiences were sufficiently
valid to have him describe them to other TM teachers."
Thanks for the clarification Lawson, makes sense to me. However Robin's
story seems to be much more dr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
anartaxius@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > > BTW, MMY definitely said that a test of Unity is if you can
> > > perform any an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> > > BTW, MMY definitely said that a test of Unity is if you can
> > > perform any and all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> > BTW, MMY definitely said that a test of Unity is if you can
> > perform any and all of the sidhis to perfection. Robin and
> > every other person proclaiming the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a
> > > purpose behind why MMY wou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
at_man_and_brahman@ wrote:
> >
> > I appreciate this thought, and agree this his actions and intentions
while in unity appear askew. However, given that, in the TM Universe,
Mahari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
> >
> > Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a
> > purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of
> > it. I beli
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
>
> Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a
> purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of
> it. I believe the latter would be the right one based upon RC's postings
> here, and I d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
wrote:
>
> I don't think he "fell" from unity. Though he refuses to describe his
> methodology, he has made it clear that he intentionally forced his
> consciousness into waking state. I hypothesize that a person in true,
> card-carr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
wrote:
>
> I appreciate this thought, and agree this his actions and intentions while in
> unity appear askew. However, given that, in the TM Universe, Maharishi
> himself defined unity consciousness and to my understanding initially
at_man_and_brahman,
It may well be that I have mistaken what RC is going through. 'Falling' from
unity is metaphorical. It is just a shift in perspective. Have you noticed the
strong emotional content of RC's writing? There seems to be a substantial
emotional attachment to something here (the m
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
>
> On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
>
> > "Do not mistake understanding for realization. Do not mistake
> > realization for Liberation." Tibetan Proverb
> >
> > In interviewing many people and listening to many more whom I
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "whynotnow7" wrote:
>
> "I also doubt Maharishi ever comfirmed his "unity""
>
> It could've gone like this:
>
> MZ: Greetings Maharishi.
>
> Maharishi: What's up, Robin?
>
> MZ: I have an experience to relate...blah, blah, blah, 100 pages and two
> hour
"I also doubt Maharishi ever comfirmed his "unity""
It could've gone like this:
MZ: Greetings Maharishi.
Maharishi: What's up, Robin?
MZ: I have an experience to relate...blah, blah, blah, 100 pages and two hours
later...so therefore, I think I am in Unity Consciousness. Whaddya think
Maharis
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
>
> Thanks Rory - I wonder why you waited this long to state this, is it
> because of your affection, respect for him?
* * I do love and respect Robin, and I wholeheartedly support his realization
that his Unity was not actually Reality.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
>
> Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a
> purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of
> it. I believe the latter would be the right one based upon RC's postings
> here, and I d
Depends how deficient the coordination and integration is between heart and
intellect. If sufficiently dysfunctional, one could spend an entire lifetime in
UC and never progress past it. Prior to waking up, getting lost in fantasy is
the only option.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi
All this thinking here almost gives me a headache. Just BE, and if you cannot,
that reveals everything. MZ tells wonderful stories, though none of it appears
genuine to me. There is some figment of 'I' that feels a need to rationalize
and justify its existence, go off on tangents, surround itsel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
wrote:
>
> ...in which case, there's no reason to discuss anything...with
> anyone...at any time
>
> Even Reality itself is just another unreal belief.
I knew you'd get it if you spent enough time
with the koan. :-)
> --- In Fai
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
wrote:
>
> ...in which case, there's no reason to discuss anything...with anyone...at
> any time
* * Oh, I wouldn't say that. We're having fun, aren't we? And when ripe enough,
the intellect can be drawn via dialogue to see throu
Thanks Rory, sounds good !!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that Rory, you have mentioned Jay before and I would
totally
> > agree. Do you really think that the state of consciousn
Sure anything's possible but like you said - "What a shame that would
be". For me you dug up a perennial source of water to quench your
thirst, I guess you can go back and cover it again - that possibility
remains. However I haven't seen anything anyone share it before, I have
read instances of peo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
>
> Thanks for that Rory, you have mentioned Jay before and I would totally
> agree. Do you really think that the state of consciousness are illusory,
> at least at the relative level?
* * My pleasure, Ravi! From the viewpoint of a sepa
...in which case, there's no reason to discuss anything...with anyone...at any
time
Even Reality itself is just another unreal belief.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote:
>
> * * Thank you for your most thoughtful response, AAB. I am not actually
> saying that Robin was
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Rory - I wonder why you waited this long to state this, is it
> > because of your affection, respect for him?
>
> * * I do love and respect Robin, and
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" wrote:
>
> Beautiful post, thanks Rory.
> BTW, IMO it's laughable when someone says they were in UC for 15 odd
> years.
* * IMO our intellect is always laughable when we see through it :-)
Well...it happened to everyone/the universe once, didn't it? If unity is the
primordial state, somehow Average Joe got out of it through the course of
innumerable incarnations and landed in the mud of waking. If that is possible,
then why couldn't a person force this to happen in one lifetime? I
Beautiful post, thanks Rory.
BTW, IMO it's laughable when someone says they were in UC for 15 odd
years.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote:
>
> * * Thank you for your most thoughtful response, AAB. I am not
actually saying that Robin was in a temporary, false Unity -- I am
say
* * Thank you for your most thoughtful response, AAB. I am not actually saying
that Robin was in a temporary, false Unity -- I am saying that to be "in" Unity
Consciousness is itself by definition temporary and false, as to be "in" any
state of consciousness is temporary, time-bound, and hence u
Your premise IME seems highly improbable. A poor comparison but It's
like you found a key and opened the door to a hidden room with
treasures, sure you can close it and come back to where you where but
the knowledge of the room and the ability to enter this room and use the
treasures remain whether
Thanks Rory - I wonder why you waited this long to state this, is it
because of your affection, respect for him?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" wrote:
>
> (If you are looking only for a response from MZ, please disregard this
post, but it is a subject I do care about and have dev
Well the only logical thing that you missed was there could have been a
purpose behind why MMY would have declared RC in Unity and then out of
it. I believe the latter would be the right one based upon RC's postings
here, and I don't buy that you can come out of Unity. RC's postings here
and his re
I don't think he "fell" from unity. Though he refuses to describe his
methodology, he has made it clear that he intentionally forced his
consciousness into waking state. I hypothesize that a person in true,
card-carrying unity--THE WHOLE THING, THE REAL THING--can intentionally shift
his frame
I appreciate this thought, and agree this his actions and intentions while in
unity appear askew. However, given that, in the TM Universe, Maharishi himself
defined unity consciousness and to my understanding initially agreed that Robin
was in it, to conclude independently of Maharishi that Robi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman"
wrote:
>
> My puzzlement about the unique claims of Robin Carlson continues. Here's a
> new thought.
>
> Premise: waking state consciousness is derivative of unity consciousness,
> which is to say that unity is a natural state from
(If you are looking only for a response from MZ, please disregard this post,
but it is a subject I do care about and have devoted some thought to, so FWIW I
am throwing my two cents' worth in.)
IMO and IME, Unity as MZ has described it is *not* Reality, not "Brahman" --
not even true Unity, in
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