--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
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> http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
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Summary:
"The Transcendental Meditation program cannot be called a cult because it
develops independent, intelligent, creative thinking, and its founder,
Ma
Is TM a cult? TM is a technique, so it can't be a cult.
Is TM theory a religion? Perhaps, if you buy into it completely with no
skepticism.
Is the TM organization a cult? See the response to the second question.
Are practitioners of TM members of a religion or cult? See the response to
second
of course!...and neither is the "Quorum of Twelve" (LOL):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/First_Presidency_and_Twelve_Apostles_1898.jpg
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote:
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> Is TM a cult? TM is a technique, so it can't be a cult.
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> Is TM theory a religion? Perhaps, if you buy into it completely with no
> skepticism.
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> Is the TM organization a cult? See the response to the second question.
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> Are pra
As Charisma: "Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as a certain
quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is set apart
from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or
at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These
One can conceive of gradients in spectrum of cults and sects. Paired
data-points on Cartesian axis: Like on one scale have it run from a low end of
immoral-sociopathic-NPDisordered then to highly transformative moral and
spiritual at the top of that scale. That could work for sorting individuals
TM, more accurately now is a [religious spiritual] sect in its post-charismatic
leader phase. As an organizational structure it is a corporation. Fairly, TM
is no longer a cult with a charismatic leader.
salyavin808 writes:
Potayto, potahto.
No, most of what you are offering as definit
Do I really care? No. Why? Because if it feels right, feels good then I do it.
Anyone can define something or name it whatever they like. It makes no
difference to me. I was involved in a cult once. Cool. So what? It was a part
of my life. I learned from it, I grew and I moved along. Why do peop
As far as I'm concerned it never had a charismatic leader. Marshy's woolly,
illogical and ignorant lecturing style always left me cold. Corporation is a
good word for it though. As it sells both a product and a belief system that
makes that product seem a lot more valuable than it actually is. M
Looking back, I think many of the things you say are true. And it sounds like
we still both have friends in the TMO who still have the frame of mind you
refer to.
But what were some of the "positives" you took from it, if you don't mind me
asking?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wro
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
As far as I'm concerned it never had a charismatic leader. Marshy's woolly,
illogical and ignorant lecturing style always left me cold. Corporation is a
good word for it though. As it sells both a product and a belief system that
makes that prod
Okay, no charismatic leader no cult. It is just an organization. So by more
scholarly definition evidently your feelings around the TM movement is that TM
never quite rose up to be a cult, but was/is a sect. No charismatic leader,
no cult. It evidently was a movement that you were part of,
Well, possibly for some folks still within TM it could still be somewhat
cult-like serving around the Prime Minister for instance. Life at that level
seems still a little like being in the circle of taking your tea with a Joe
Stalin. However, they are only a very small element in what is the muc
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
Okay, no charismatic leader no cult. It is just an organization. So by more
scholarly definition evidently your feelings around the TM movement is that TM
never quite rose up to be a cult, but was/is a sect. No charismatic leader,
no cult.
Clever how he frames the question asking if the TM programme is a cult and not
the organisation.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Is TM a Cult? - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D.
http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
Is TM a Cult? - Dav
From your link:
The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been
used with a negative connotation to point out a group that others would like to
see removed from society. This use of the term is expressed by the prominent
religious scholar J. Gordon Melton:
"My
Correction: The definition David Orme-Johnson has adopted from J. Gordon
Melton (his own personal definition).
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
From your link:
The word “cult” has many meanings, but in recent decades it has often been
used with a negative connotation to po
About J. Gordon Melton's work as a cult apologist (according to this article):
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/m06.html
His views are that organizations such as Scientology, Children of God,
Jonestown, etc. are not cults but rather "new religious mo
And another correction:
In this case, it would seem that the TM org and/or MMY followers would qualify
as part of a "religious movement" with Melton.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
About J. Gordon Melton's work as a cult apologist (according to this article):
http://www.a
When I was on the ayurveda table and getting a basti for the first time the
idea" is this a cult" came to mind.
I been out of town giving a paper on the Fairfield meditating community at an
academic conference for a group that studies groups like ours here in Fairfield
and am now catching up on these recent threads… good considerations.
Thanks, this one offered here is really an interesting site for the
Well TM is a cult.
Definition of a cult.
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or
book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b
: the object of such devotion c :a usually small group of people characterized
by such devotio
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Buck wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" wrote:
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> > http://www.truthabouttm.org/truth/IndividualEffects/IsTMaCult/index.cfm
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> Summary:
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> "The Transcendental Meditation program cannot be called a cult because it
> develops i
Against
On Wed, 2/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 1:18 AM
Against - a cult by any other name is still a cult
On Wed, 2/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 1:18 AM
On 2/18/2014 7:55 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> Against - a cult by any other name is still a cult
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Maybe it's time to review the definition of a cult:
A cult is a small group of people forming a new religious movement who
use mind control, coercion, or brainwashing techniques in order to
culti
Yep that's a fine description of what the TMO does these days
On Wed, 2/19/14, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, February 19, 2014, 2:
On 2/18/2014 8:23 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> Yep that's a fine description of what the TMO does these days
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Do you have any evidence that the TMO is holding any pundit boys or
students against their will?
Thank you dad, for offering to orchestrate my thinking for me - "as is our
tradition" of mind control.
On Fri, 2/21/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com wrote:
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Da
On 2/20/2014 9:01 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> Thank you dad, for offering to orchestrate my thinking for me - "as is
> our tradition" of mind control.
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So, the TMO is in control of your mind?
not anymore
On Fri, 2/21/14, Richard J. Williams wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult?
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 21, 2014, 3:23 AM
assic "bait and
switch," and yet people failed to even notice the contradiction. Go figure.
From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:13 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Is TM a Cult
Actually, "contradiction" and "bait-and-switch" are both misnomers in this
case. With a "classic" bait-and-switch, they won't sell you what they were
promoting, but only something more expensive. And "TM is all you need" isn't
contradicted by the fact that there are lots of other offerings. The
On 2/16/2014 7:42 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
Let's take one of the earliest teachings: "TM is all you need."
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Is there a better way?
One of the earliest teachings of MMY was "TM is what works." In TM, you
get only one single bija mantra for meditation - that's all you need to
realize your full
On 5/24/2014 10:34 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
Clever how he frames the question asking if the TM programme is a cult
and not the organisation.
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Most experts agree that a definition of "cult" includes coercion. Were
you forced in any way to participate in the TM Programme?
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