Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-13 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca | c) keep all those respin-related files at a mirror *somewhere* and | never let them be deleted even if they go out of date. ugh. Koji has everything. If jigdo fell back to looking in koji, I guess that this particular problem could be solved.

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-13 Thread Todd Zullinger
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: Koji has everything. If jigdo fell back to looking in koji, I guess that this particular problem could be solved. Koji does do some garbage collecting, so you aren't garanteed to find every build there. Plus, the packages in koji are unsigned. If jigdo has a way to

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-13 Thread Bill Crawford
On Thursday 12 March 2009 11:25:07 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... Welcome to Fedora Unity's Re-Spin download site. In the past we have chosen BitTorrent as our method for sharing bits. For our latest release we have gone with using Jigdo to reduce the bandwidth and time requirements of each Spin.

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-13 Thread David
On 3/13/2009 9:19 AM, Bill Crawford wrote: On Thursday 12 March 2009 11:25:07 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... Welcome to Fedora Unity's Re-Spin download site. In the past we have chosen BitTorrent as our method for sharing bits. For our latest release we have gone with using Jigdo to reduce the

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-12 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Kam Leo wrote: Jigdo was created for the Debian community. The Debian Stable release is known for its stability, i.e. slow change. Jigdo has its use in the scheme of things. However, using it to stay current with a high churn release such as Fedora is not one of them.

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-12 Thread Kam Leo
On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 4:25 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Kam Leo wrote: Jigdo was created for the Debian community. The Debian Stable release is known for its stability, i.e. slow change. Jigdo has its use in the scheme of things. However, using it

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Kam Leo wrote: Jigdo does work. It works for Fedora too, but not the way you intend. With every Fedora release there are bugs which prevent that release from being installed or functioning properly. You create a respin which incorporate the fix(es) so you can use Fedora now and not wait

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-12 Thread Mail Llists
On 03/12/2009 10:06 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: ll that work every time? Of course not. The problem is that Fedora mirrors do not keep older updates, so the jigdo file just doesn't work. By the time the respin goes out, it already references updates which no longer exist. (For example, this

without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
as an admittedly frustrated followup from yesterday, i am giving up on jigdo and its variations since, quite simply, at the moment, they don't work. and given that the fedora re-spins explicitly state that they are available currently only via jigdo, that makes those re-spins more than a

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: as an admittedly frustrated followup from yesterday, i am giving up on jigdo and its variations since, quite simply, at the moment, they don't work. and given that the fedora re-spins explicitly state that they are available currently only via

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread psmith
Robert P. J. Day wrote: as an admittedly frustrated followup from yesterday, i am giving up on jigdo and its variations since, quite simply, at the moment, they don't work. and given that the fedora re-spins explicitly state that they are available currently only via jigdo, that makes those

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, psmith wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine ... :-) why not just download the respin over torrent? http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/torrent-files-fedora-10-20090210-re-spin while that is *a* solution, it still requires more

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread psmith
Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, psmith wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine ... :-) why not just download the respin over torrent? http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/torrent-files-fedora-10-20090210-re-spin while that is

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread David
On 3/11/2009 9:52 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, psmith wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine ... :-) why not just download the respin over torrent? http://spins.fedoraunity.org/unity/torrent-files-fedora-10-20090210-re-spin while

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, David wrote: On 3/11/2009 9:52 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, psmith wrote: Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... bitch bitch bitch whine whine whine ... :-) why not just download the respin over torrent?

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Bill Crawford
On Wednesday 11 March 2009 15:17:53 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... slight rant on technically, i know that, but perhaps red hat should start protecting its brand a bit more aggressively. go to fedoraunity.org: http://fedoraunity.org/ everything about that site screams fedora. the name.

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Bill Crawford wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009 15:17:53 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... slight rant on technically, i know that, but perhaps red hat should start protecting its brand a bit more aggressively. go to fedoraunity.org: http://fedoraunity.org/

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Kam Leo
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote: On Wed, 11 Mar 2009, Bill Crawford wrote: On Wednesday 11 March 2009 15:17:53 Robert P. J. Day wrote: ... slight rant on   technically, i know that, but perhaps red hat should start protecting its brand a

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Alan Evans
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:  sure, i'm willing to help out, but it (finally) dawned on me that there's always going to be a fundamental drawback with the way jigdo is being supported.  when the re-spin is created, it will of course be current

Re: without a truly working jigdo, re-spins are effectively useless

2009-03-11 Thread Kam Leo
On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Alan Evans ame.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca wrote:  sure, i'm willing to help out, but it (finally) dawned on me that there's always going to be a fundamental drawback with the way jigdo is