happens a lot dear, with rescues, too. for reasons beyond my comprehension, some people just don't want to know look at how much info is out there about FIV and FeLV--most of it nowhere near as new as that re: FIP--why keep on on things when there's a simple, readily available treatment
Too true. In the past year I have had a vet refuse to spay and FeLV+ cat and arescue person tell someone who took a cat in to be neutered, after the cat tested positive for FIV, that THEY would have put the cat down. (Fortunately I had already prepped the woman that the battered old tomcat she had
I *love* grey tabbies.
Just wanted to let you know. :)
Leslie
From: Gary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: What is FIP?Thanks Hideyo, I am glad your greys are healthy, I have a solid grey and a partially tabbied grey that are still healthy, just kind of always wondered about a color link
OMG, that's TERRIBLE! That shelter is
going to be KILLING MOST of their cats! What a horrible policy!
Why do you need ammo from the list? All
any of the people at that shelter would have to do is look it up on any website
about FIP, and they'd see how stupid that policy is. They need to be
MurphySent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 8:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: What is FIP?Thanks Hideyo, I am glad your greys are healthy, I have a solid grey and a partially tabbied grey that are still healthy, just kind of always wondered about a color link since someone posted that question
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Thanks Hideyo, I am glad your greys are healthy, I have a solid grey and a
partially tabbied grey that are still healthy, just kind of always wondered
about a color link since
You would think they would research it themselves, but for some reason she came to the list first asking for help. Isent some basicstuff and suggested some other links for more info, but was shocked to see that I was the only one that responded. Over here on the FeLV list, there would have been
Hi Kayte,
I'll try to give a quick run down on FIP as I understand it. It begins with something called Feline Corona Virus (FCoV). This is a very contagious but normally harmless virus that many cats have. It is estimated that 85% or more of shelter cats and cattery cats have it. It lives in the
Beth,
Thank you for this explanation. I didn't have a good
understandingof FIP and this has been very helpful.
elizabeth
In a message dated 11/8/2006 8:48:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,
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Hi Kayte,
I'll try to give a quick run down on FIP as I understand it.
Hi Elizabeth, glad it was helpful. One thing I forgot to mention is that FCoV is a longer-lived virus. Unlike FeLV, it can remain alive outside of a cat's body for at least many weeks. I've read that a new kitten/cat should not be aquired for about 7 weeks after an FIP death, just in case it is
i've also seen that 3 weeks is a long enough time for not bringing in a cat, and that if the cat came from a shelter or any other multi-cat environment, there's no point in isolating since it's probably only been exposed before it came to you.
i haven't actually seen info re: whether the
Dr. Addie used to recommend 6 months before bringing in another cat or kitten.But, I believethere are many different strains of FCoV... so one strain is not necessarilylike another.
Leslie =^..^=
On 11/8/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i've also seen that 3 weeks is a long enough time
For rescue cats, those in the house or facility have all likely been exposed to the corona viruses anyhow. As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the one particular variety of corona virus has to be present and it mutates into a form that causes FIP, possibly due to stress and/or
i don't think that they've identified WHICH variety of FCoV yet, have they??? if they have, why can't they culture for it/run a specific titre just on that strain, and save so many of us so much agony? (only partially kidding.)
i'm still unclear on whether stress or genetics CAUSE
I don't think it's so much one variety of corona that will always mutate. A cat has to have a genetic predisposition to FIP. If that predisposition is present then I suspect many strains of corona have the potential to mutate under certain circumstances.Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For
that's what i thought. wouldn't it be WONDERFUL is we could screen for a single, simple culprit???
On 11/8/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't think it's so much one variety of corona that will always mutate. A cat has to have a genetic predisposition to FIP. If that
I think you're right, they haven't narrowed it down to one variety yet. I also read where it's not any more common in pure-breds than in alley cats.GloriaOn Nov 8, 2006, at 2:16 PM, TenHouseCats wrote:i don't think that they've identified WHICH variety of FCoV yet, have they??? if they have,
quite possibly the latter will be proved true--but there's far more populations of captive purebreds for it to show up in and track again, why it was assumed for so long to be infectious when it'd show up in a bloodline
On 11/8/06, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you're
We know so little about FIP. At one time it was thought that FIP was related to FeLV because FeLV+ cats do seem more susceptible. Kittens are also more susceptible. All I can report is what I've read of current theories and research. We still KNOW so little.TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the saddest part is that those of us on lists like this often know far more than too many vets do, and certainly more than shelters and rescues do.
On 11/8/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We know so little about FIP. At one time it was thought that FIP was related to FeLV because FeLV+
We've learned it the hard wayTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the saddest part is that those of us on lists like this often know far more than too many vets do, and certainly more than shelters and rescues do. On 11/8/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We know so little about FIP.
I don't know if they can still be shedding FCoV while in the throes of FIP or not. . .
I do think that I've read that titre tests measurethe antibodies present, not the virus itself, soa veryimmune compromised cat may haveexhausted their ability to produce antibodies and test negativeeven
Back to the genetic question for a moment, MC or anyone else involved with large rescues, have you noticed more grey kitties getting this than others? Someone suggested this might be the case on the FIP list, my Ally was a grey/tan tabby, and I have since noticed that there seem to be more greys
My Mishka was a black and white 1 year old girl (and gorgeous).
Gloria
At 07:33 PM 11/8/2006, you wrote:
Back to the genetic question for a moment, MC or anyone else
involved with large rescues, have you noticed more grey kitties
getting this than others? Someone suggested this might be the
My understanding is that it measures antibodies to any corona virus.
At 07:12 PM 11/8/2006, you wrote:
... . .
I do think that I've read that titre tests measure the antibodies
present, not the virus itself, so a very immune compromised cat may
have exhausted their ability to produce
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My Mishka was a black and white 1 year old girl (and gorgeous).
Gloria
At 07:33 PM 11/8/2006, you
Yup, my understanding as well. Pretty darn useless test. Dangerous even. Somebody wrote in today to the FIP list that theshelter theyworkat has almost 100 cats and has decided to euthanize any with a titre of 1:1600 or above.Shedoesn't know much about the disease, but sounds like she wants
Thanks for writing back, I'm so sorry about Mishka, I love black white kitties.Wishwe had the resources here to set up a searchable database onthe list kitties. Ibelong to a fertility tempingsite (fertilityfriend.com) thatallows you to put your temperature chartsanonymously into a big file with
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Thanks for writing back, I'm so sorry about
Mishka, I love black white kitties.Wishwe had the
resources here to set up a searchable database onthe list kitties.
Ibelong to a fertility tempingsite (fertilityfriend.com) thatallows
you to put your
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7:48 PM
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Yup, my understanding as well. Pretty
darn useless test. Dangerous even. Somebody wrote in today to the
FIP list that theshelter theyworkat has almost 100 cats and
has
Thanks Hideyo, I am glad your greys are healthy, I have a solid grey and a partially tabbied grey that are still healthy, just kind of always wondered about a color link since someone posted that question at the FIP list. My littlegrey and white MoxieISa bit of a worry to me, she eats well,
to stay
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Thanks Hideyo, I am glad your greys are healthy, I have a solid grey
and a partially tabbied grey
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