Yes Beethoven used a muted horn in the Pastorale symphony and, I am sure (I don't have the score to hand) in the second movement his violin concerto.
In short, Beethoven seems to ask for the mute, I cannot think off-hand of any other composers of the period who did. (But bear in mind that the f
Keith Helgesen wrote:
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> Chas, I had similar probs a week or so ago. Eventually I got my ISP on the
> 'phone and they deleted all the troublemakers. I too tried to unsub
> (temporarily!) but not successfully. Hanging in there the probs seem to now
> be fixed. My normal (non digest) mail is co
Keith Helgesen wrote:
>
> Chas, I had similar probs a week or so ago. Eventually I got my ISP on the
> 'phone and they deleted all the troublemakers. I too tried to unsub
> (temporarily!) but not successfully. Hanging in there the probs seem to now
> be fixed. My normal (non digest) mail is co
> From: "Michael Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Finale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:12:37 +1000
> Subject: [Finale] TAN: Prospects for obtaining work as engraver.
[snip]
Dear Michael,
For what it's worth...
First step is to become really experienced in the application
Hi, Is this still happening to others, or is it just me?
I'm subscribed for individual messages, not the Digest. But apparently huge
digests are arriving at my server, big enough so they exceed my quota and get
bounced, but not before sitting there long enough to cause a lot of other bouncing
t
> If you click
>on the slur icons the "Attach to Notes" option in the menu is available, but
>with any other shape it is greyed out.
I'm using (mac fin 2002). Both the gliss and bend smart shapes can be
note attached or score attached.. not just slurs.
Linda Worsley
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I'm trying once more for the list and not only to Johannes:
And in the Friedrich Kuhlau Concertino for two horns and orchestra (c.
1822) there is a charming passage in the end where the solists are muted
echoing the orchastral horns.
Mike
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm playing the natural horn and it is my clear conviction that the
senza tempo indication is there to ensure there is enough time to change
to mute (kind of fermata on rests), but this demands a very free
frasing. There was a special mute at that time that allowed to change
the tones with the rig
> Due to the discussion about Igor I got reminded again of something that
I'd
> like to initiate, though I cannot do it on my own.
>
> Recently there was a kind of competition between different computer
> engravers using different software
> Here is what I propose, and I hope more people will
Andrew Homzy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using FinMac 2001d and have two problems:
>
> 1 - I can't attach the SmartShape trill-line to a note. Upon opening the
> menu, "attach to measures" is checked and the "attach to notes" & "attach to
> noteheads" is grey. Wouldn't one normally want to
I didn't mean to imply that if you gave the files to the client that you
wouldn't keep a copy.
But if the client takes a copy and either works on it himself or has
somebody else work on it and then brings it back for you to "save" or to
do further work on, you will need to repair whatever was
On 26.4.2002 22:34, "Johannes Gebauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Due to the discussion about Igor I got reminded again of something that I'd
> like to initiate, though I cannot do it on my own.
>
> Recently there was a kind of competition between different computer
> engravers using different
You can simply add a non-hyphenated version of the word to the end of
the lyrics and then click assign it to that particular part. Use Edit
Lyrics to add the non-hyphenated version, and then click assign. You
will have to remove the assignment you have already made.
Jörg Peltzer wrote:
>
Johannes Gebauer wrote:
>
> But I am pretty sure the opening of Haydn's Creation would ask for muted
> horn as well
I defer to Lawrence Yates's statement about this, but I should add that
someone else privately reminded me that Beethoven's Pastorale Symphony
also contains a passages marked "con
Johannes Gebauer writes:
> Recently there was a kind of competition between different computer
> engravers using different software. The competition was originally done as a
> promotion for Sibelius, as far as I remember, and the results were quickly
> withdrawn when they weren't so favourable fo
Michael Edwards wrote:
> Michael Edwards.
>
> [Jari Williamsson:]
>
> Also, as a music engraver you must be willing to supply the output in the
> format that the client demands (Finale/Score/Sibelius/PDF/etc). If you
> decide to work for a pub
In a message dated 26/04/2002 23:47:14 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I am pretty sure the opening of Haydn's Creation would ask for muted
horn as well
No, the horns are not muted in Creation.
The muted passage in the Rondino subject was discussed last year on the hornlist - i
On 27.04.2002 0:30 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
> This list does seem to be one of the more serious ones I'm on, though, and
> I guess that influences me in turn.
That's because most of us are musicians which implies we are almost
philosophers, only we are even more serious...;-)
Johannes
--
htt
On 27.04.2002 0:09 Uhr, Robert Patterson wrote
> SFAIK this is the only example of "con sord." for a horn by Beethoven.
> Furthermore, I can't think of any other "con sord." directives for the
> next 40 years or so.
But I am pretty sure the opening of Haydn's Creation would ask for muted
horn as
Due to the discussion about Igor I got reminded again of something that I'd
like to initiate, though I cannot do it on my own.
Recently there was a kind of competition between different computer
engravers using different software. The competition was originally done as a
promotion for Sibelius, a
Michael Edwards.
[Myself:]
>> Oh no - not *another* platform war! :-) I'm not buying into that. I don't
>> like Windows, but a whole history of circumstances has led to me using that
>> system - mainly learning computers on DOS, and creating ma
Barbara Touburg writes:
> No, I use 2002b!
OK, have you set "OwnPS=0" in FINALE.INI? If so, remove it.
Best regards,
Jari Williamsson
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Michael Edwards.
[Keith Helgesen:]
>Michael- remember the Aussie expression "come in spinner"!
Never heard of it before, and I don't know what it means.
>I suspect your indignant reactions to some of the points made are amusing folks
>so
Do any of you horn and/or instrumentation experts out there have any
idea what young Beethoven was referring to when he wrote "con sord." for
the horns at the end of the Rondino in Eb? If one plays it on a modern
transposing mute, it is nevertheless quite awkward unless one infers
fermatas on the
On 26.04.2002 23:42 Uhr, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> In a message dated 26/04/2002 21:38:13 GMT Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>
> Well, that's what the "From" field is for, so it seems superfluous to me...
>
> Hi Patrick (or should I say hi phubers?),
>
> In the "from" field you
Michael Edwards wrote:
> Michael Edwards.
>
> [Myself:]
>
>>I am also attentive to detail, precise, and almost
>>obsessive about doing things correctly.
>>
>
> [Jari Williamsson:]
> Your purchase of Igor seems to widely contradict that...
>
On 26.04.2002 18:44 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
> [Jari Williamsson:]
>
> If you are being jumped upon by Philip, your error is that you aren't using
> a Mac. :-)
>
> Oh no - not *another* platform war! :-) I'm not buying into that. I don't
> like Windows, but a whole history of circumstances
David H. Bailey wrote:
>It _could_ be an issue (because in today's litigious society _anything_
>can be an issue) but most likely won't be an issue. The fact of the
>matter is that you own the finale files which you create, even though
>they may represent another's copyrighted works. You can't p
In a message dated 26/04/2002 21:38:13 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Well, that's what the "From" field is for, so it seems superfluous to me...
Hi Patrick (or should I say hi phubers?),
In the "from" field you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] Once I reached the bottom of your posting, I d
Michael- remember the Aussie expression "come in spinner"! I suspect your
indignant reactions to some of the points made are amusing folks so much
that a few are having fun. I honestly think you've had a bundle of good
advice, plus a bit of leg-pulling! Take the advice, grin at the leg-pulls,
don'
--Michael Edwards schreef:
> [Lawrence Yates:]
>
>> One of the things I like about Edwards style is that he puts his name at
>> the top of the e-mail so that we can see imediately from whom the
>> message is sent [...]
Well, that's what the "From" field is for, so it seems superfluous to me...
Hello,
I'm using FinMac 2001d and have two problems:
1 - I can't attach the SmartShape trill-line to a note. Upon opening the
menu, "attach to measures" is checked and the "attach to notes" & "attach to
noteheads" is grey. Wouldn't one normally want to attach a trill-line to a
note? How can I ch
On 26 Apr 2002, at 11:51, Johannes Gebauer wrote:
> On 26.04.2002 0:11 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
>
> >> On 25.04.2002 22:51 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
> >>
> >>> PS is simply irrelevant to me and certainly to the vast majority of
> >>> Windows users.
> >>
> >> Well, it is certainly not irrele
On 26 Apr 2002, at 4:16, Dennis W. Manasco wrote:
> At 1:37 pm -0400 4/25/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
>
> >What makes you think the Mac scenario doesn't involve a boot manager?
> >
> >There are plenty of boot managers for Windows that will do what you want.
>
> I didn't and don't want to fan a p
Michael Edwards.
[Lawrence Yates:]
>One of the things I like about Edwards style is that he puts his name at the
>top of the e-mail so that we can see imediately from whom the message is sent
>rather than having to scroll up to the details or dow
One of the things I like about Edwards style is that he puts his name at the top of the e-mail so that we can see imediately from whom the message is sent rather than having to scroll up to the details or down to the signature. I find his style very clear. I find other styles clear as well.
As f
Robert,
it is with Maestro, it is with Petrucci.
You can't see it on screen, only in eps-print.
Raimund
Robert Patterson schrieb:
> On Thu, 25 April 2002, Raimund Lintzen wrote
>
> > If I do so the slurs have a very bad position:
> > in case of a slur where is on the first note no artic. + se
on 4/26/02 10:13 AM, Doug Auwarter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Usually two groups (not counting timpani) will get the job
> done. Assigning each its own staff would result in a score with 7 extra
> staves just for percussion using the instrumentation provided in the initial
> question.
That was
Michael Edwards.
[Jari Williamsson:]
If you are being jumped upon by Philip, your error is that you aren't using
a Mac. :-)
Oh no - not *another* platform war! :-) I'm not buying into that. I don't
like Windows, but a whole history of cir
Michael Edwards.
[Johannes Gebauer:]
>Sorry, Edward, I did not mean to offend you.
That's okay. I wasn't really offended, but felt a need to clarify what I
said (or intended to say). And thanks for your advice about engraving.
>PS I thi
On 26.04.2002 17:21 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
> Well, thanks for the insider's view. Maybe it won't be right for me. I'm
> only in the very early stages of researching it just now.
> I repeat: I don't plan to use Igor for this. No-one needs to tell me
> again, or berate me for the ignorance I
Michael Edwards writes:
> But one or two people, such as Philip, do make me feel as if I'm
> being jumped upon a bit, quite needlessly - just because I might have made some
> trivial error in my e-mail (I assume, since I've not yet been told what I did
> wrong). (Was it a spelling mistake, or wr
Michael Edwards.
[Johannes Gebauer:]
>However, the point that Philip is making is perhaps the same that Jari was
>making earlier: You claim you have a lot of knowledge and are careful with
>details, yet you make it quite obvious that you are not
on 4/23/02 3:59 PM, Andrew Stiller at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> For classical music (wh. is what this is, I gather), do not use
> different notehead shapes for percussion. Use normal noteheads and
> place each different instrument on its own line, space, or staff.
So now things become confusing.
On 26.04.2002 15:46 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
> [Philip Aker:]
> If you were inclined in the area I suggest that you would have noticed how
> most
> people format their email and quote replies on this list and adjusted your
> posts
> to the norm accordingly.
>
> [My respone:]
> I don't know wha
On 26.04.2002 13:27 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
> What I actually thought you might have meant was the possibility that, for
> copyright reasons, the engraver might be legally obliged to delete all copies
> of
> the work he or she had done.
> Can this be an issue at times?
Yes, I have been under
Dear List,
Well, the subject line says it all.
I need to make PDF-files. I have tried:
- printing to Distiller
- printing to file (tried several different PS-drivers)
with the following result:
%%[ ProductName: Distiller ]%%
%%[ Error: nocurrentpoint; OffendingCommand: lineto ]%%
Stack:
814.75
Anyone can call their product "professional" and I doubt if anybody
would willingly call their product "amateur" or "barely adequate" but
what the manufacturer calls a product has no bearing on the actual
professional standing of that product.
The proof is in what professionals use, and Igor i
Michael Edwards writes:
> I accept the truth of these statements, even though I'm sure NoteHeads
> would dispute them, because they *do* claim to have fully professional software.
Of course they claim that! They have also claimed (something like 5 years
ago) that there would be a PDK avail
It _could_ be an issue (because in today's litigious society _anything_
can be an issue) but most likely won't be an issue. The fact of the
matter is that you own the finale files which you create, even though
they may represent another's copyrighted works. You can't print or sell
or give aw
Michael Edwards.
[Philip Aker:]
If you were inclined in the area I suggest that you would have noticed how most
people format their email and quote replies on this list and adjusted your posts
to the norm accordingly.
[My respone:]
I don't k
On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Michael Edwards wrote:
> [Philip:]
> I think it's best to be in a medium where your heart is already at.
> [Myself:]
> What kind of medium do you mean?
Work.
> As I indicated in another posting, I think one or two
> people got composing
> a
Michael Edwards.
[Jari Williamsson:]
What I've said is that Igor's slurs and ties does not have the ability to
conform to any publisher's style. The replies I got are the usual "I think
they look good". If you care about engraving detail/precision
Michael Edwards.
[David H. Bailey:]
>I didn't mean to imply that if you gave the files to the client that you
>wouldn't keep a copy.
...
>But I think you should keep a copy of all the files so that you can
>always do further work for the client.
On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 01:51 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
>> But you all are claiming that it's really weird that
>> Macintoshes don't have have the same mechanism to determine
>> "Applications" and "Documents" folders. Given the choice of
>> built-in PostScript and a Control Panel to
Michael Edwards.
[David H. Bailey:]
>The big issue is that Igor is NOT a true professional engraver's tool --
>it cannot come close to emulating the high-quality output that clients
>deserve when they pay professional rates to a computer-engraver
On 26.04.2002 0:11 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
>> On 25.04.2002 22:51 Uhr, David W. Fenton wrote
>>
>>> PS is simply irrelevant to me and certainly to the vast majority of
>>> Windows users.
>>
>> Well, it is certainly not irrelevant if you ever have to give something to a
>> professional printi
On 26.04.2002 7:36 Uhr, Michael Edwards wrote
> [Myself:]
>> I am also attentive to detail, precise, and almost
>> obsessive about doing things correctly.
>
> [Jari Williamsson:]
> Your purchase of Igor seems to widely contradict that...
>
> Why is that? Yes, I am aware that some think it's a
At 1:37 pm -0400 4/25/02, David W. Fenton wrote:
>What makes you think the Mac scenario doesn't involve a boot manager?
>
>There are plenty of boot managers for Windows that will do what you want.
David --
I didn't and don't want to fan a platform war -- I think they usually
have as much meani
Michael Edwards writes:
> I recall, Jari, that you have strongly criticized Igor in the past for the
> way it shows things like noteheads and curved lines. But I've heard people say
> they think it does these well - so maybe there are differences of opinion about
> which music fonts or styl
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