Re: [Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Jari Williamsson
Robert Patterson writes: > One item in your review puzzles me. About the new staff attributes, you > said, "...the most fast and flexible way to now set the stem direction > for a region of a staff is to create and apply a Staff Style for it." > > How is using a staff style either faster or more

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 08:35 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > It seems to me that Classic compatibility is a bigger deal than Darcy > acknowledges. I mean, don't MacFin02 users with OSX now have to boot > into OS9 to use Finale? Yes, because MIDI doesn't work in Classic mode. > I hope that

Re: [Finale] Re: Midisport 2x2

2002-06-01 Thread Stan Lord
Yes, the problem was that OMS wasn't perfoming fully. I reinstalled OMS. Now when I look in Finale midi setup I see (not in italics) Midisport, port 1, port 2, Quicktime Music. I selected Port 1, for output and input device and everything is now working OK. I have just transfered everything to a

Re: [Finale] Two questions, for the collective wisdom of the list

2002-06-01 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Ok. One question. After I wrote: > First, I have created several shapes as "expression-shapes" that upon > subsequent consideration, I have decided I would rather have as > "articulation shapes". I discovered that all the shapes appear to be stored in one master shape table. I'm still curio

Re: [Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 07:44 PM 6/1/2002 -0500, Robert Patterson wrote: >Thanks, Jari, for the excellent summary of new features. One or two of >the new Staff options, plus Group Optimization and the new Engraver >Slurs are 100 times more valuable to me than the bells & whistles that >Coda touts. Strange that Coda's

Re: [Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Harold Owen
Dear Jari, Do you happen to know if the Start-up Wizzard has changed the method of giving us a pick-up measure - from the klutzy place-holder to the infinitely better short meter with main meter for display? Whenever I use the Wizzard, I skip the pick-up feature so that I can use the preferre

Re: [Finale] Conspiracy theories

2002-06-01 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:46 PM 06/01/02, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >are probably right) From what I see, this is the first release in awhile >that looks like nearly a complete waste of money. As with 2001, I think it depends on what your particular needs are. For the particular things that I do, many of which invo

Re: [Finale] Re: Root movement

2002-06-01 Thread Harold Owen
David Fenton writes: >I suspect that Schenker would actually parse the [Pachelbel Canon] >progression as: > > I , V - vi, iii - IV, I - IV - V :|| > >That means that it's not a falling 4th, but a deceptive resolution of a >rising fourth. > >The structural chords are I - vi - IV - V - I. The ot

Re: [Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Robert Patterson
Thanks, Jari, for the excellent summary of new features. One or two of the new Staff options, plus Group Optimization and the new Engraver Slurs are 100 times more valuable to me than the bells & whistles that Coda touts. Strange that Coda's marketing seems so disconnected from its user base. One

[Finale] Conspiracy theories

2002-06-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
Or maybe they simply put this release out because it has been a year since the last one and they figure a whole bunch of people will pay 100 bucks to get their toolbar icons to show up in the color of their choice. (and they are probably right) From what I see, this is the first release in aw

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Robert Patterson
While I'm disappointed MacFin03 will not be Carbonized, I can't say I'm completely unhappy either. It means I won't have to convert my plugin development platform to Carbon for another year (which probably means I can hold off until the G5's come out.) It seems to me that Classic compatibility is

[Finale] Re: Midisport 2x2

2002-06-01 Thread Matthew Hindson
> > Just got a USB midisport2x2 interface which i can't get to work with > Finale (not tried any other application). > The cables are OK. The In-A light is flickering. > In Midi setup I have selected "open music sysyem" and midisport 2x2 > appears in italics. > In OMS set up midispoirt2x2 appears

RE: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Tobias Giesen
> Wasn't there enough complaining at the time that > *FinMac2002* wasn't Carbonized for X? Much less than there is now (check the forum). But it seems they did make an effort to do it, but I assume it turned out to be much more difficult than we imagine, and adding new features got priority this

Re: [Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 06:20 PM 06/01/02, Jari Williamsson wrote: >Finale 2003 review with some tips at: >http://www.finaletips.nu/ Thanks, Jari. Once again, my decision about upgrading is based on your information, not on Coda's. I am particularly intrigued by some shortcomings you mention in some of the new f

[Finale] Two questions, for the collective wisdom of the list

2002-06-01 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Listsibs: First, I have created several shapes as "expression-shapes" that upon subsequent consideration, I have decided I would rather have as "articulation shapes". These shapes are sufficiently complicated, and there are a sufficient number of them, that what I would like to do is to save the

Re: [Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Javier Ruiz
Jari wrote (on his review of Finale 2003): Drag-create Smart Shapes from right-to-left will create the "opposite" version. This is great!... but I hope they donĀ¹t take out the Mass Mover truck from the Mac version. Thanks for this profound review, Jari. Javier Ruiz. > Hello! > > Finale 2003

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Saturday, June 1, 2002, at 05:36 PM, Tobias Giesen wrote: > Hi, > > unfortunately, Coda have announced that FinMac2003 will run in Classic > only. You're kidding. When did that happen? Wasn't there enough complaining at the time that *FinMac2002* wasn't Carbonized for X? And didn't Coda

[Finale] Finale 2003 Review

2002-06-01 Thread Jari Williamsson
Hello! Finale 2003 review with some tips at: http://www.finaletips.nu/ Let me know if you spot any errors. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

RE: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Tobias Giesen
Hi, unfortunately, Coda have announced that FinMac2003 will run in Classic only. Cheers, Tobias ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Re: Root movement

2002-06-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Jun 2002, at 14:16, Harold Owen wrote: > Schenker holds that the only really strong root movement is by > falling fifth (or rising fourth). The Plagal Cadence, however, in my > ear is also very strong. Much of Renaissance music treats the falling > fourth (or rising fifth) as if it is jus

[Finale] Re: Root movement

2002-06-01 Thread Harold Owen
Jamin Hoffman writes: >Dear all - > >Pardon me for asking what should be a simple question - BUT: > >One of my theory teachers once told me the three most common intervals of >root movement in chord progressions. I know I ought to be able to figure >this out through reasoning and other thought p

[Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
Given that the FinWin version was released first, I'm not surprised no one has mentioned this yet, but... It would seem to me that one reason for the early release (in addition to pumping up the second quarter results) is to finally get an OS X-compatible version of Finale out of the gate (Fin

Re: [Finale] Re: Pachelbel canon

2002-06-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Jun 2002, at 15:28, David Froom wrote: > On 6/1/02 1:01 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What confuses me is the Pachelbel Canon, which he used as an example, but it > > goes down by fourths, not fifths - but the dominant/tonic (down by fifths) > > is generally rec

[Finale] Re: Pachelbel canon

2002-06-01 Thread David Froom
On 6/1/02 1:01 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What confuses me is the Pachelbel Canon, which he used as an example, but it > goes down by fourths, not fifths - but the dominant/tonic (down by fifths) > is generally recognized as the strongest root movement, right? There are

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 02:06 PM 6/1/2002 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: >On 1 Jun 2002, at 13:09, David H. Bailey wrote: > > > And I still think it is a skewed comparison. I also don't think 5 > > errors in a 12-fame, perfect original is anything to be bragging about > > -- there should be ZERO errors given such a pe

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
David W. Fenton wrote: [snip] > My question, though, is what should someone in my situation do? I am > still using WinFin97 (and doing just fine, thanks), and was planning on > upgrading this Spring. I never quite got around to it. Should I now wait > until the patch, or go ahead and upgrade

Re: [Finale] Win4Lin and Finale

2002-06-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Jun 2002, at 14:25, Bill and/or Chris wrote: > Win4Lin supports any Windows application, because you are actually > running Windows in a virtual console, kind of like SoftWindows for the > Mac. However, I have heard (this may be out of date) that Win4Lin > doesn't support DirectX. Anything

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
Now THAT is something Coda should have indicated in the text accompanying the comparison! Right there they would have a legitimate marketing edge that they shouldn't have any compunction about pointing out! And it is a VERY significant inability on the part of photoscore, enough that I don't th

Re: [Finale] Win4Lin and Finale

2002-06-01 Thread Bill and/or Chris
Win4Lin supports any Windows application, because you are actually running Windows in a virtual console, kind of like SoftWindows for the Mac. However, I have heard (this may be out of date) that Win4Lin doesn't support DirectX. I have been able to get Finale running using Wine, though. The onl

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Jun 2002, at 13:09, David H. Bailey wrote: > And I still think it is a skewed comparison. I also don't think 5 > errors in a 12-fame, perfect original is anything to be bragging about > -- there should be ZERO errors given such a perfect original! Well, I think what matters is the severi

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread David W. Fenton
On 1 Jun 2002, at 7:01, David H. Bailey wrote: > They have supposedly improved the scanning ability (I'll believe that > when I see it!) but in reading their "impartial" comparison, they admit > they skewed the results -- they used b/w line art for the scan that they > fed to the finale scanni

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
I read that line, also. I still think it is unfair to compare apples to oranges -- maybe the other software does a much better job using a b&w, line-art tiff file. When comparing scanning programs, in my opinion, the SAME image file should be used for all programs being compared. If the othe

Re: [Finale] TAN Root movement in chord progressions

2002-06-01 Thread Philip Aker
On Friday, May 31, 2002, at 12:27 PM, Jamin Hoffman wrote: > Dear all - > Pardon me for asking what should be a simple question - BUT: > One of my theory teachers once told me the three most common > intervals of > root movement in chord progressions. I know I ought to be able > to figure >

Re: [Finale] choral music paper size

2002-06-01 Thread Benjamin Smedberg
> For self-publishers, the potential significance of this is that one could > "publish" the piece as a PDF and thus pass the expense of printing on to > the customer. Of course, this introduces questions of how to protect > yourself from someone printing more copies than they pay for, but that's

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 09:13 AM 6/1/2002 -0400, Aaron Sherber wrote: >At 07:01 AM 06/01/02, David H. Bailey wrote: > >They have supposedly improved the scanning ability (I'll believe that > >when I see it!) but in reading their "impartial" comparison, they admit > >they skewed the results -- they used b/w line art fo

Re: [Finale] Time Signature problem

2002-06-01 Thread Ken Durling
On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 06:50:09 -0400, you wrote: >Actually the broken circle indicated simply duple meter (either 2 or 4) >as opposed to triple meter. The distinction between 2 and 4 was >eventually made by adding a line through the C for 2. > Yes, I considered stating it like that, but wasn't

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 07:01 AM 06/01/02, David H. Bailey wrote: >They have supposedly improved the scanning ability (I'll believe that >when I see it!) but in reading their "impartial" comparison, they admit >they skewed the results -- they used b/w line art for the scan that they >fed to the finale scanning mod

Re: [Finale] choral music paper size

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
I think such an option is definitely the wrong way to go. How many of us have ever had a printing problem in the middle of a run? Probably all of us! So if there is an option to print just ONCE, and that one time screws up, then we are out of luck. And I won't purchase any such product. B

RE: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Jim Hale
This is the exact conversation that goes on when Microsoft comes up with a new version of Windows. ;) Jim Hale --- Jim & Kathy's Website Collection http://hale.dyndns.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of David H. Bailey Sent: Saturday, J

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
Eventually you need to log-in to get to the purchasing part of the web-site, and they know who you are and what versions you have upgraded from and will indicate what upgrades you qualify for. I ordered it a few minutes ago and will be glad to report on whatever I run into for new things, when

Re: [Finale] choral music paper size

2002-06-01 Thread Crystal Premo
>>For self-publishers, the potential significance of this is that one could >>"publish" the piece as a PDF and thus pass the expense of printing on to >>the customer. Of course, this introduces questions of how to protect >>yourself from someone printing more copies than they pay for, but that'

[Finale] The Finale List Mini-FAQ

2002-06-01 Thread Patrick Hubers
*** The Finale List Mini-FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) *** This message contains answers to a few questions that come up very often on the Finale mailing list and is sent to the list once a month. Please keep this for future reference and think twice before actually asking one of these ques

Re: [Finale] Time Signature problem

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
Actually the broken circle indicated simply duple meter (either 2 or 4) as opposed to triple meter. The distinction between 2 and 4 was eventually made by adding a line through the C for 2. Ken Durling wrote: > On Fri, 31 May 2002 17:28:51 -0400, you wrote: > > I am doing a string qui

Re: [Finale] Time Signature problem

2002-06-01 Thread David H. Bailey
You need to adjust your quantization settings to avoid this problem. There is an option in the deeper options dialogs to Soften Syncopations. Check this and it gets rid of all the tied 8th notes, leaving the quarter notes. When you change the time signature, Finale "adjusts" the music to f

Re: [Finale] F2K3: beaming across barlines?

2002-06-01 Thread Mark D. Lew
>I looked at the features for beaming across barlines. Is it still a >workaround? Anybody know? I just finished a piece in which I had to beam across barlines, and it got me thinking about the problem generally. It seems to me this is a good candidate for a plug-in. Technically, the ability to

Re: [Finale] Fin 2003

2002-06-01 Thread Jari Williamsson
Aaron Sherber writes: > Has anyone out there in beta land written a more comprehensive > review of what's new and changed? I'll release a in-depth review very soon. As usual, please don't believe the marketing material. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___