Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-17 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:51 AM 2/16/04 -0500, Andrew Stiller wrote: I, on the other hand, have comb-bound material from 1966 that is still in perfectly good shape. Not one of the comb-bound scores of my own publications (1991-present) that I keep as hard backup has ever shown the cracking and stiffening behavior

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 16.02.2004 1:33 Uhr, Darcy James Argue wrote This may be a stupid question, but when creating center-stapled parts, what do you do when you have a single middle page, like for instance in a five-page or six-page part? Since it can't be stapled, how do you attach it? Do you just leave it

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-16 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 09:18 AM 2/16/04 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.02.2004 5:18 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote But I don't see a creep setting in Finale (Graphire has it, for example). When I face-trim saddle-stitched scores, there's a creep issue (meaning the outside margin of the middle pages is

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-16 Thread Cecil Rigby
As promised, I checked with MacPapers, who in turn called Hammermill this morning to see whether Accent Opaque 70# is being discontinued. They said it's one of their bestsellers and they have no intention of cutting any of that line. They also said a particular distributor might tell customers

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Robert Patterson
I'll be interested to see if you find any paper at Kelly Paper that you want to use. My search came up empty (11x17, Natural White, 70lb Offset, Acid Free). FWIW: Disaster struck recently when I discovered Hammermill had completely discontinued Warm White in their Accent Opaque line. I have a

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Cecil Rigby
Hi Robert et al-- This past week I received an order of a case (1000 sheets) of 70# 23x35 Accent Opaque warm white from Hammermill's Atlanta warehouse (via MacPapers). I'm going to call Mac in the morning, though, to see if they've heard it was going to be discontinued. It's possible I got some

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Andrew Stiller
Plastic combs are a never as soon as it comes to recordings, they simply make too much noise. Johannes This frequently heard canard is based on parts that have been bound too tightly. A properly loose comb binding can be as quiet as any. The Bridge recording of Griffes' _The Kairn of Koridwen_

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Lee Actor
I used to use comb binding on my scores, but I find wire coil binding to be far superior. While it is true that the noise issue may be somewhat overstated for a properly comb-bound score, there is still a higher probability for pages to catch compared to wire coil binding, especially in the heat

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 21:27 Uhr, Andrew Stiller wrote Plastic combs are a never as soon as it comes to recordings, they simply make too much noise. Johannes This frequently heard canard is based on parts that have been bound too tightly. A properly loose comb binding can be as quiet as any. The

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread John Howell
Lee Actor wrote: For parts, the only reason I can imagine for not making them as booklets with staples down the middle, is if they are too long to be practical in that form (opera?). A 32-page part printed on 28 lb. paper is quite doable in booklet form. For anything bigger I would use wire

RE: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Lee Actor
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Howell I always use booklet format IF there are good page turns. Sometimes there are not, and it's necessary to have 3 pages visible on the stand. In that case, accordion binding, with only one

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.02.2004 23:59 Uhr, Lee Actor wrote Last year a symphony I wrote had a 24-page harp part which had one spot with an unavoidably impossible page turn. I printed an extra copy of the next page and attached it as a fold-out to the booklet. For this kind of thing the VPC binding machine and

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Randolph Peters
Plastic combs are a never as soon as it comes to recordings, they simply make too much noise. Johannes This frequently heard canard is based on parts that have been bound too tightly. A properly loose comb binding can be as quiet as any. The Bridge recording of Griffes' _The Kairn of Koridwen_

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
In a message dated 16/02/2004 00:29:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another reason comb (or spiral) binding is unacceptable for parts is that the comb or spiral gets crushed inside folders, and generally makes for troublesome insertion and removal from folders. I second this -

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread John Howell
This may be a stupid question, but when creating center-stapled parts, what do you do when you have a single middle page, like for instance in a five-page or six-page part? Since it can't be stapled, how do you attach it? Do you just leave it loose? Do you only create parts that are

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Mark D Lew
On Feb 15, 2004, at 4:33 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: This may be a stupid question, but when creating center-stapled parts, what do you do when you have a single middle page, like for instance in a five-page or six-page part? Since it can't be stapled, how do you attach it? Do you just

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 05:54 PM 2/15/04 -0600, Randolph Peters wrote: 1) They crack or break more easily than other binding methods. This is important. I never use comb bindings anymore because the plasticizer deteriorates and they crack. I have books and scores no more than 10 years old where the combs will not

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 06:01 PM 2/15/04 -0800, Mark D Lew wrote: I don't know about in music, but in other publishing it's commonplace to always have a multiple of four pages (or even eight, depending on the method). A full signature made from one sheet of paper is often 16 sides. Compensating for creep in the

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 09:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: BTW: While I agree that Xpedx should have a better website, I'm not sure why ordering online is so important. Paper is *heavy*. Shipping could cost a fortune if you ordered online in quantity. 1) There is, as far as I can tell, no Xpedx in

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 09:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: FWIW: Disaster struck recently when I discovered Hammermill had completely discontinued Warm White in their Accent Opaque line. I have a large supply of 13x20 sheets, but I'm out of 11x17. Wausau offers 11x17, 70b, Natural White in its Exact

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-15 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 15 Feb 2004, at 09:37 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: I'll be interested to see if you find any paper at Kelly Paper that you want to use. For now, I'm going to try 500 sheets of the Wasau 28 lb. 12 x 18 white, and see how it goes. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn NY

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-14 Thread Robert Patterson
FWIW: I have started printing directly on 20x13 sheets and folding them over. This is by far the most satisfactory result I have ever produced. For individual sheets (6 or fewer, if using heavy stock), I still think VPC Binding Tape is a very attractive choice. Some people are skeptical that

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-14 Thread Bob Florence
Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi all, How does everyone go about binding 9x12 (or larger) sheets? I've been using the GBC ProClick spines for 8.5x11 paper -- the P50 punch is quite inexpensive, and the spines make it easy to add and remove sheets as necessary. They are also reusable, and

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-14 Thread Robert Patterson
Darcy James Argue wrote: What kind of printer do you have that accommodates 20x13 paper? I have a Xante Accel-a-writer. While it generally is fine, I now wonder if the GCC Technologies equivalent might not have been a slightly better choice. One problem with 20x13 sheets is that they must be

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.02.2004 20:38 Uhr, Robert Patterson wrote The gloss you see in the one photo is just a plastic sheet for holding the paper in place. The tape just goes only on the spine. One piece of tape holds all the sheets in place. (The sheets are presumably double-sided.) Anyone, including me at

Re: [Finale] TAN: binding oversize pages

2004-02-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Bob, I notice Kelly Paper has a website, with an actual web *store* (unlike, say, Xpedx, which apparently has yet to join the late 20th century). http://www.kellypaper.com/ If they're good enough for you, they're certainly good enough for me. I'm sold. Thanks! - Darcy - [EMAIL