Re: [Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 15.07.2004 4:52 Uhr, Eric Dannewitz wrote > Wow. Sound like you have some serious issues there. Check your fragmentation > on the hard drive. That would probably be the most likely thing that is > causing this. You never know, but I really don't think fragmentation has anything to do with this

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Wow. Sound like you have some serious issues there. Check your fragmentation on the hard drive. That would probably be the most likely thing that is causing this. My lowly G4 450 cube doesn't take more than 30 seconds to load and play something I have updated from Finale 200

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Harold Owen
Rocky Road writes: I have updated from Finale 2002 to 2004c on my desktop machine (G4/400). When I open a new document it sits for 4-6 minutes (!) while displaying this message: "Finale Is Allocating Instruments for internal speaker playback" Then everytime I press the play button it sits for 1:

RE: [Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Fisher, Allen
OS9 or OSX? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rocky Road Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 6:53 PM To: Finale List Subject: [Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments I have updated from Finale 2002 to 2004c on my desktop mac

Re: [Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
On Jul 14, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Rocky Road wrote: I have updated from Finale 2002 to 2004c on my desktop machine (G4/400). When I open a new document it sits for 4-6 minutes (!) while displaying this message: "Finale Is Allocating Instruments for internal speaker playback" Then everytime I press th

[Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Rocky Road
I have updated from Finale 2002 to 2004c on my desktop machine (G4/400). When I open a new document it sits for 4-6 minutes (!) while displaying this message: "Finale Is Allocating Instruments for internal speaker playback" Then everytime I press the play button it sits for 1:30 while displayin

Re: [Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 4:59 PM -0400 7/14/04, Andrew Stiller wrote: Oh good! That spares me from the rant I was going to send in reply to some of the other responses. :-) Dang! On the wrong side of Andrew twice in the same day! First, functional harmony, then harp pedallings! I'd better keep my nose clean! 8-) C

[Finale] And melody, too

2004-07-14 Thread Dean M. Estabrook
I haven't read the entire thread, so this may have been advanced already; Schenker would have us remember that , melodically speaking, 3-2-1 is the keystone of tonality, just as 5-1 defines it harmonically. Of course, that particular melodic progression implies the I-V-I phenom. Dean t

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 4:48 PM -0400 7/14/04, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jul 14, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: if you consider that atonal means with no discernable key centre at all, then there is a big gap between tonal and atonal, which includes a lot of modal music (like a lot of rock and pop, and

Re: [Finale] swing

2004-07-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 14 Jul, 2004, at 12:57 PM, Allen Fisher wrote: You'll need to use the MIDI tool. Set the swing in the playback controls to NONE. Click the MIDI tool Select the first section that needs swing. MIDI Tool Menu-->Alter feel Alter backbeats by 171 Set to absolute Click OK Repeat with the other sectio

Re: [Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 14 Jul, 2004, at 11:56 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: From what harpists have told me, it is seldom necessary to mark pedalling, I suspect this was what Andrew was about to rant about. But I also suspect Chris and Andrew are dealing with different batches of harpists -- or possibly, the same

[Finale] Shaped note font

2004-07-14 Thread Lon Sherer
Title: Shaped note font Richard,  There is another and preferable way to write music in shaped note notation.  Use a shaped note font such as Karen Willard's Doremi. If you would like to see an example, some of my class assignments are still on the web at: http://www.goshen.edu/~lonhs/Practical_

Re: [Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 14, 2004, at 3:46 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote: Thanks to Christopher and Jari for their answers. I also have found that the Andrew Stiller´s Book has a lot of information on the subject. Oh good! That spares me from the rant I was going to send in reply to some of the other responses. :-) And

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jul 14, 2004, at 1:11 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: if you consider that atonal means with no discernable key centre at all, then there is a big gap between tonal and atonal, which includes a lot of modal music (like a lot of rock and pop, and jazz, too!) The word "atonal" was coined at a

Re: [Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Javier Ruiz
Thanks to Christopher and Jari for their answers. I also have found that the Andrew Stiller´s Book has a lot of information on the subject. > Dear all, > I believe that sometimes the harp pedalling is easy using enharmonic notes > (like F flat) but: > > Should I use them both in the score and in

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 Time Signatures

2004-07-14 Thread Javier Ruiz
And the 8 types left? LOL! Javier > There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand > binary, and those who don't. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Klaas de Jong
Op 14-jul-04 om 20:43 heeft shirling & neueweise het volgende geschreven: From: dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if not all people use it the same way, it can hardly be called a convention or a standard, can it? once past the initial arguments and obstinacy, all people do in fact use and understan

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread dhbailey
shirling & neueweise wrote: From: dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if not all people use it the same way, it can hardly be called a convention or a standard, can it? once past the initial arguments and obstinacy, all people do in fact use and understand it the same way. it is a convention for man

[Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread shirling & neueweise
From: dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> if not all people use it the same way, it can hardly be called a convention or a standard, can it? once past the initial arguments and obstinacy, all people do in fact use and understand it the same way. it is a convention for many. although you certainly do

[Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread shirling & neueweise
it is implied. but it is much simpler in cases to notate 2/4 with quarter triplets (and many composers who use /5 etc. time sigs do so...). one of the main values of using these time sigs is that they can indicate a fraction of the whole (or of a binary division of it), eg. 3/5, 7/12. jef

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Owain Sutton
Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 9:32 AM -0700 7/14/04, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:13:22 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 10:24 PM -0600 7/13/04, shirling & neueweise wrote: >christopher, in all the cases i have seen using what are now >commonly given the

RE: [Finale] Re: [] Multiple File Bug - Test File?

2004-07-14 Thread Jari Williamsson
A couple of days ago I got a test file with a damaged text expression from Darcy. In that file, the text for one expression was pointing to a raw text block in the "normal" text pool, instead of pointing to the expression raw text pool. If you're interested, here's my _guess_ to why that happen

Re: [Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Jari Williamsson
Christopher BJ Smith writes: > From what harpists have told me, it is seldom necessary to mark > pedalling, as you should just notate the pitches and the harpist will > take care of the pedalling. If you are writing an educational piece > or an etude, then of course that is an exception. But

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 9:32 AM -0700 7/14/04, Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:13:22 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 10:24 PM -0600 7/13/04, shirling & neueweise wrote: >christopher, in all the cases i have seen using what are now >commonly given the unfortunate name of "irratio

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:56 AM -0400 7/14/04, Andrew Stiller wrote: Well first of all, tonality and functional harmony are the same thing, unless you want to say that the music of Machaut is tonal, or that Balinese Gamelan music is tonal, and so on--wh. to me would make the term virtually meaningless. Beyond that

Re: [Finale] swing

2004-07-14 Thread Allen Fisher
You'll need to use the MIDI tool. Set the swing in the playback controls to NONE. Click the MIDI tool Select the first section that needs swing. MIDI Tool Menu-->Alter feel Alter backbeats by 171 Set to absolute Click OK Repeat with the other sections that swing. Tempo shouldn't matter On 7/14/

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 Time Signatures

2004-07-14 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:05:38 -0700 (PDT), Rob Deemer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "There are three types of conductors - those who can count and those who can't." There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:13:22 -0400, Christopher BJ Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:24 PM -0600 7/13/04, shirling & neueweise wrote: > >christopher, in all the cases i have seen using what are now > >commonly given the unfortunate name of "irrational" time signatures > >(*), the "whole" val

[Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 10:24 PM -0600 7/13/04, shirling & neueweise wrote: christopher, in all the cases i have seen using what are now commonly given the unfortunate name of "irrational" time signatures (*), the "whole" value implied is the whole note. 1/6 is indeed one-sixth of a whole note (quarter note triple

[Finale] Re: 2/10 Time Signatures

2004-07-14 Thread Rob Deemer
Yes, you are right. I think Rob's math was a little off. A sixth note is equal to one quarter in a quarter-note triplet. A twelfth note is one eighth-note triplet. And I think you meant to say "6 dotted EIGHTHS only gives you a dotted half" instead of "6 dotted quarters only gives you a dotted

Re: [Finale] swing

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 11:04 AM -0400 7/14/04, Eden - Lawrence D. wrote: I have a chart that needs swing playback in some places, no swing in others, and then swing again, but at a new tempo. I can get Finale 2K3(Mac) to swing for the first section, but I don't know how to define the next section of swing. The first s

Re: [Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 3:52 PM +0100 7/14/04, Javier Ruiz wrote: Dear all, I believe that sometimes the harp pedalling is easy using enharmonic notes (like F flat) but: Should I use them both in the score and in the part? Also any advice regarding notation of pedalling will be most appreciated. Muchas gracias, thanks

Re: [Finale] swing

2004-07-14 Thread Peter Taylor
- Original Message - From: "Eden - Lawrence D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Finale List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 4:04 PM Subject: [Finale] swing > I have a chart that needs swing playback in some places, no swing in > others, and then swing again, but at a new te

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Andrew Stiller
At 10:37 PM +0100 7/12/04, Owain Sutton wrote: I'd hazard a guess that 99.9% of music in the Western European and American tradition written in the past 20 years has been tonal, has used functional harmony, and has used clear metric patterns. That includes art music, educational music, worship

[Finale] swing

2004-07-14 Thread Eden - Lawrence D.
I have a chart that needs swing playback in some places, no swing in others, and then swing again, but at a new tempo. I can get Finale 2K3(Mac) to swing for the first section, but I don't know how to define the next section of swing. The first section swings at Quarter = 102 The second section s

Re: [Finale] Font Change During EPS Export

2004-07-14 Thread Giovanni Andreani
>On 14.07.2004 15:08 Uhr, Giovanni Andreani wrote > >> I tumbled in this today: the following characters "= 126" within >> Adobe Garamond Pro 10 pt font turned out to look as a staff portion like >> the "=" key within Maestro font, when exported in EPS >> Does this apply to you to? > >Window

[Finale] Advice for harp pedalling

2004-07-14 Thread Javier Ruiz
Dear all, I believe that sometimes the harp pedalling is easy using enharmonic notes (like F flat) but: Should I use them both in the score and in the part? Also any advice regarding notation of pedalling will be most appreciated. Muchas gracias, thanks a lot. Javier. _

Re: [Finale] Font Change During EPS Export

2004-07-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 14.07.2004 15:08 Uhr, Giovanni Andreani wrote > I tumbled in this today: the following characters "= 126" within > Adobe Garamond Pro 10 pt font turned out to look as a staff portion like > the "=" key within Maestro font, when exported in EPS > Does this apply to you to? Windows or Mac

[Finale] Font Change During EPS Export

2004-07-14 Thread Giovanni Andreani
I tumbled in this today: the following characters "= 126" within Adobe Garamond Pro 10 pt font turned out to look as a staff portion like the "=" key within Maestro font, when exported in EPS Does this apply to you to? Giovanni Andreani ___ Fina

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Taris L Flashpaw
I've been quietly watching this thread on unusual time signatures, and learning from the collective wisdom. The piece by Thomas Ades that was referred to before, might it have been "Living Toys"? I have seen the score for this work and in it, I was educated as to the meaning of 11/5 time. Appar

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread YATESLAWRENCE
There was a wonderful example of "modern notatation" in a journal a couple of years ago.  Just about every perversion the avant garde could imagine was featured in this one tiny excerpt.  When (if??) one took the trouble to work it all out, it was actually the melody to "God Save the Queen (D

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread dhbailey
shirling & neueweise wrote: [snip] (*) indian musicians would never complain about having to perform such "irrational" values, would not even consider them irrational, having been trained in a variety of rhythmic contexts right from their earliest lessons and musical experiences, while the weste

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 10:43 PM 07/13/2004, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: >I think Rob's math was a little off. A sixth note >is equal to one quarter in a quarter-note triplet. A twelfth note is >one eighth-note triplet. Ah, yes, that makes more sense. Thanks. And in that case, a simple metric ch

Re: [Finale] 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread dhbailey
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 09:15 PM 07/13/2004, Mark D Lew wrote: >> And from what I know of math and music, that doesn't seem right to me. > >It's not supposed to match normal math. A quarter note is 1/4 of a whole note. Isn't a sixth note 1/6 of a whole note? And if not, why not? (I'm not being

[Finale] FinMac 2004c - Taking too long to allocate instruments

2004-07-14 Thread Rocky Road
I have updated from Finale 2002 to 2004c on my desktop machine (G4/400). When I open a new document it sits for 4-6 minutes (!) while displaying this message: "Finale Is Allocating Instruments for internal speaker playback" Then everytime I press the play button it sits for 1:30 while displayin

[Finale] Copying from doc to doc

2004-07-14 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Does anyone know the best way to copy optimized systems from one document to another? Is there anyway to copy the optimization? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt

Re: [Finale] Re: 2/10 time signature

2004-07-14 Thread Bruce K H Kau
Given all this argument back and forth about 2/10 time sigs etc, it would seem an argument against using it. I like the "new E = old " that was previously mentioned: obvious, concise, and the musicians will not spend hours arguing about it during rehearsal. Whatever. Can't stop progress, I