Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: You're right, the price difference isn't that much, but you also have to factor in the cost of upgrading all your software to Universal versions (unless you want to run everything in emulation). And Lawrence has already paid for the processor upgrade, so

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 John Howell wrote: Has anyone actually been inside St. Tom's, to estimate how many singers and instrumentalists would have been sufficient? I doubt it was cathedral-sized. Well, I have played there, incidentally with Joshua, but you cannot compare it to the 18th century, as all

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Raymond Horton wrote: I just remember an article after the first Rifkin recording that settled the issue as far as I was concerned. If I am wrong, I'm wrong. My "instinctive feeling" is that I am not! Unfortunately this is the kind of way many people have dealt with the evide

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 John Howell wrote: (One of my disagreements with the Rifkin hypothesis, whether or not it "works" for modern ears, is that in his 1731 memo Bach specifically mentioned both concertists and ripienists among the boys, and we do find such vocal parts in his hand or that of one of his re

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Raymond Horton wrote: Joshua Rifkin's arguments of "one-on-a part" Bach choruses were long ago shown to be without merit. Bach's church choir, as a rule, numbered 12, and he regularly nagged unsuccessfully for it to be enlarged to 16. Rifkin based his argument on the existence

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: What annoys me in some sense about the whole "Early Music" business is that ... you know, I have no objection to people performing Bach with a large orchestra-and-chorus or a small orchestra-and-chorus or quartet of saxophones. It doesn't worry me in the slig

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: While I certainly Bach's music enjoyable and convincing when performed one on a part, I *don't* find Rifkin's argument convincing that this was Bach's intention (and his only intention). As someone who's been involved in a lot of church music, I know that yo

Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread Bruce Petherick
Richard Yates wrote: You will not find a good guitar sound in collections. After long search I finally gave up and made my own soundfont. You can download it at: Without stealing Richard's thunder, I also need to mention the Samplesmith guitar font that my friend Keith and I developed. Chec

Re: [Finale] Tuplet tool

2007-01-16 Thread ThomaStudios
Define the tuplet you want BEFORE entering the first note. That's the way Finale works it. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 16, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Will Denayer wrote: Hello. I am having another problem. It really bugs me. I am writing in 4/4. In one measure I want 6 quarter notes to fill the

Re: [Finale] copying measures with lyrics in them

2007-01-16 Thread Darcy James Argue
Instead of using "Specify Current Lyric," I just double-click on a problematic lyric with the Selection Tool, and it automatically takes me to the proper Verse or Chorus number. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Jan 2007, at 4:23 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Raymond Horton
I just remember an article after the first Rifkin recording that settled the issue as far as I was concerned. If I am wrong, I'm wrong. My "instinctive feeling" is that I am not! RBH Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 1/16/07, Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So McCreesh's "instinctive fe

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/16/07, Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So McCreesh's "instinctive feeling" trumps the evidence of Bach's 12 voice choir, plus his preference for a larger one? What evidence? "Rifkin's pesky idea" deals with that: (taken from http://homepages.kdsi.net/~sherman/oneperpart.html) *

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Raymond Horton
So McCreesh's "instinctive feeling" trumps the evidence of Bach's 12 voice choir, plus his preference for a larger one? RBH Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 1/16/07, Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rifkin got some attention with his project, and got the musical world thinking about small

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread John Howell
At 8:19 PM -0500 1/16/07, David W. Fenton wrote: I always felt his one-on-a-part dogmatism was ridiculously overstated, but I really don't think one can take the nominal number of choir members as the actual number for performance. I have sung in choirs with nominally 12-16 members that almost n

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Yeah, I was wrong about it. I used to run XPostFacto on my 9500. No fun. Kinda worked, except for the audio. I'd say you are totally right, it's really not worth upgrading a G3 to run OS X.it makes a lot more sense to just get a Mac Mini. Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 17.01.2007 Eric Dannew

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread John Howell
At 1:43 PM -0500 1/16/07, Phil Daley wrote: > Payroll records weren't the only way to figure out how many musicians performed at concerts, the number of parts tells us how many played as well. (Of course as Joshua Rifkin's research as proved, not everyone agrees. So if there was one 1st cl

[Finale] Tuplet tool

2007-01-16 Thread Will Denayer
Hello. I am having another problem. It really bugs me. I am writing in 4/4. In one measure I want 6 quarter notes to fill the measure. So, I type the first note and then I click on the tuplet tool. When the window opens, I type that I want 6 quarter notes in the space of 4 quarter notes. I click

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Jan 2007 at 20:18, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > On 1/16/07, Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Rifkin got some attention with his project, and got the musical > > world thinking about smaller choirs, perhaps, but the one-on-a part > > B Minor Mass is just silly. > > Really? > > Tel

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Jan 2007 at 19:56, Raymond Horton wrote: > Joshua Rifkin's arguments of "one-on-a part" Bach choruses were long > ago shown to be without merit. Bach's church choir, as a rule, > numbered 12, and he regularly nagged unsuccessfully for it to be > enlarged to 16. Rifkin based his argument on

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On 1/16/07, Raymond Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rifkin got some attention with his project, and got the musical world thinking about smaller choirs, perhaps, but the one-on-a part B Minor Mass is just silly. Really? Tell that to Paul McCreesh: **snip**(from an interview Paul McCreesh ga

RE: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread Richard Yates
You will not find a good guitar sound in collections. After long search I finally gave up and made my own soundfont. You can download it at: http://www.yatesguitar.com/misc/Milburn-normal.SF2 (4.7MB) Note that this only has 'normal' tone. The complete soundfont (32MB) has other patches for stac

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Raymond Horton
Joshua Rifkin's arguments of "one-on-a part" Bach choruses were long ago shown to be without merit. Bach's church choir, as a rule, numbered 12, and he regularly nagged unsuccessfully for it to be enlarged to 16. Rifkin based his argument on the existence of single choir copies. There were g

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Darcy James Argue
Johannes, You're right, the price difference isn't that much, but you also have to factor in the cost of upgrading all your software to Universal versions (unless you want to run everything in emulation). And Lawrence has already paid for the processor upgrade, so now that he's already go

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Jan 2007 at 13:43, Phil Daley wrote: > > Payroll records weren't the only way to figure out how many > > musicians performed at concerts, the number of parts tells us how > > many played as well. (Of course as Joshua Rifkin's research as > > proved, not everyone agrees. > > So if there was

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Jan 2007 at 19:23, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 16.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > > Payroll records weren't the only way to figure out how many > > musicians performed at concerts, the number of parts tells us how > > many played as well. (Of course as Joshua Rifkin's research as > > prov

[Finale] OT publisher advice

2007-01-16 Thread Chuck Israels
To my friends with experience in what, for want of any better term, I will call "Classical/Contemporary" music: I have written 7 rather complex arrangements of folk songs for voice and piano - fairly demanding and well developed, that have idiomatic jazz things in them (and other things not

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Darcy James Argue wrote: As for graphics cards, if he wants to upgrade from the stock 2 MB Rage Pro (and this is highly, highly recommended), he will need a PCI graphics card, like the original Radeon, the Radeon 7000 Mac Edition, or the Radeon 9000 PCI Mac Edition. I would also

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Eric Dannewitz wrote: I think that is for Pre-G3 machines. Like the 9500, which you can upgrade with a G4 card. I think if it had a G3 card, and has USB, he'll be fine. No, I am pretty sure it won't work without XPostFacto. And to be honest, I am not so sure it is worth the effo

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Oh yeah, I guess I had it wrong. http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/Framework.cfm?page=XPostFacto3.html Darcy James Argue wrote: Yes -- Lawrence will need XPostFacto to install 10.3 or 10.4. (Preemptively: Lawrence, just google "XPostFacto".) As for graphics cards, if he wants to

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Darcy James Argue
Eric, I'm afraid you are mistaken. I used to own a beige G3, and you *definitely* need XPostFacto to install anything later than 10.2.8. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Jan 2007, at 6:34 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I think that is for Pre-G3 machines. Like the 95

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Eric Dannewitz
I think that is for Pre-G3 machines. Like the 9500, which you can upgrade with a G4 card. I think if it had a G3 card, and has USB, he'll be fine. Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 17.01.2007 Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, it will run 10.4.8 I thought it needed XPostFacto to run anything higher than 1

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Darcy James Argue
Yes -- Lawrence will need XPostFacto to install 10.3 or 10.4. (Preemptively: Lawrence, just google "XPostFacto".) As for graphics cards, if he wants to upgrade from the stock 2 MB Rage Pro (and this is highly, highly recommended), he will need a PCI graphics card, like the original Radeon,

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 17.01.2007 Eric Dannewitz wrote: No, it will run 10.4.8 I thought it needed XPostFacto to run anything higher than 10.2.8. No? Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Eric Dannewitz
No, it will run 10.4.8 There are no ram disks in OS X. I would recommend getting a faster IDE drive for you computer, and a large one. OWC makes some that come with a 120gig fix (so you can have a single partition on older computers that is more than 120 gigs). Another thing you might want t

Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread Peter Taylor
George, The programs you mention (Finale, PowerTracks, BIAB etc) do not generate the sounds - they simply send instructions to something called a "MIDI Device", which converts the instructions into sounds. MIDI devices can be either a piece of hardware (such as a soundcard inside your computer

[Finale] OT OSX

2007-01-16 Thread Lawrence David Eden
Dear MacUsers on the List, I added a ZIFF card to my Beige G3 so now it is a "G4." I have been told that the Beige G3 can only run OS 10.2.8 and no higher. Is this true? What version of Finale do I need if I want to run it under 10.2.8? Right now, I must boot up with my external HD that runs 9.

Re: [Finale] 7/8

2007-01-16 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Will Denayer wrote: Hello, I have a problem. I want the time signature to be 2+3+2/8. Is there a way I can write this in Finale? A possibility would be to write 7/8 and to divide the first measure with dotted lines, but I do not know how to do this either - and I didn't find it in the manual.

Re: [Finale] copying measures with lyrics in them

2007-01-16 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
Aaron Rabushka wrote: Often I've had the situation where I copy measures with lyrics in them to have the lyrics show up in mid-staff at their new location. I wind up clearing them out and typing them in again since trying to move them vertically doesn't work. Has anyone else had this experience,

Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread George Ports
I was hoping that PowerTracks 11 would be good enough. Guess not, huh? I forgot to mention that I have an Audigy sound card. George - Original Message - From: "Eric Dannewitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar so

Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread George Ports
I have a Yamaha PSR85 keyboard but, couldn't find a guitar sound that I liked. I forgot to mention that I have an Audigy sound card. George - Original Message - From: "timothy.key.price" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Getting a g

Re: [Finale] 7a & cocktail

2007-01-16 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 16, 2007, at 3:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any advantage to getting 2007a? I'm using 2007. DEFINITELY get the updates (a, b etc.) as soon as they become available. They invariably address bugs, and are free. There is no good reason not to update. The problem

Re: [Finale] copying measures with lyrics in them

2007-01-16 Thread Christopher Smith
On Jan 16, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Aaron Rabushka wrote: Often I've had the situation where I copy measures with lyrics in them to have the lyrics show up in mid-staff at their new location. I wind up clearing them out and typing them in again since trying to move them vertically doesn't work. Has

[Finale] Confirm 2 bugs

2007-01-16 Thread Jonathan Smith
Finale 2007a - Mac. Can anyone else confirms these bugs please?: Whenever I try to insert a measure at the start of a score (i.e. highlighting first measure in score and chosing measure insert) - Finale crashes. Also when editing smart shapes in parts or score the screen goes blank as s

RE: [Finale] Brecker passed away

2007-01-16 Thread Derek Kane
I am very upset by the news. He was a personal hero of mine. I have enjoyed his music as soon as I heard it. I have many of his transcription books. One of my life goals was to meet MB...I guess I'm not going to be able to do that now. Rest in peace my saxophone brother. D~ -Original M

Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread timothy.key.price
Have you tried a sampling synthesizer? I use a Kurtzweil 2500 but there are lots, either a keyboard or just a rack mount. Tim On Jan 16, 2007, at 12:46 PM, George Ports wrote: I want to notate a song in Finale, save it as a midi that has a good guitar sound. All of the different programs

[Finale] 7a & cocktail

2007-01-16 Thread VivianAR
Hi, Is there any advantage to getting 2007a? I'm using 2007. The problem of Finale old notation showing up as a mess is occurring in places of an old work. People mentioned that if they used a plug in "Cocktail," they don't have a problem. Where do I get "cocktail" Thanks Vivian Adelber

Re: [Finale] 7/8

2007-01-16 Thread ThomaStudios
In the time signature dialog box, choose Composite time signature and type in 2+3+2 in the top LH box, and 8 in the bottom LH box. Hit OK and choose to have Finale display alternatively as 7/8. That will work. J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Will Denayer wrote: Hel

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 16, 2007, at 2:33 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: BTW, in the case of Corelli the orchestra was actually huge by their standards. Spitzer and Zaslaw give the forces used by Corelli on a number of specific occasions. Among these are several where truly mind-boggling numbers of instrumen

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 15, 2007, at 5:22 PM, John Howell wrote: At 7:45 PM +0100 1/15/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote: That is not to say there were no larger orchestral performances. Handel's Messiah is a good example. Oh?? I doubt his orchestra was more than 20, and about the same for his chorus. The 175

[Finale] 7/8

2007-01-16 Thread Will Denayer
Hello, I have a problem. I want the time signature to be 2+3+2/8. Is there a way I can write this in Finale? A possibility would be to write 7/8 and to divide the first measure with dotted lines, but I do not know how to do this either - and I didn't find it in the manual. Best regards, Will S

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 15, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: On 1/15/07, Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have always found this distinction simplistic at best. Orchestras began to break out of aristocratic boundaries almost immediately (Corelli gave public concerts), and in London there we

[Finale] copying measures with lyrics in them

2007-01-16 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Often I've had the situation where I copy measures with lyrics in them to have the lyrics show up in mid-staff at their new location. I wind up clearing them out and typing them in again since trying to move them vertically doesn't work. Has anyone else had this experience, and does anyone know ho

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Jan 15, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 15.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: Certainly the orchestra before c1750 was very, very different from the modern orchestra (in reality, I'd say it was a completely different animal). I completely agree. I have come to the conclusion th

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Aaron Rabushka
Yes, that recording is interesting and quite convincing. A few years ago some of the early music players in Dallas put on "Israel in Egypt" with 3 or 4 violins, and it worked very well. Aaron J. Rabushka [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://users.waymark.net/arabushk - Original Message - From: "Johan

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Phil Daley
> Payroll records weren't the only way to figure out how many musicians > performed at concerts, the number of parts tells us how many played as > well. (Of course as Joshua Rifkin's research as proved, not everyone > agrees. So if there was one 1st clarinet part, there was only one 1st clarinet

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 16.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: Payroll records weren't the only way to figure out how many musicians performed at concerts, the number of parts tells us how many played as well. (Of course as Joshua Rifkin's research as proved, not everyone agrees. As someone who used to play with Josh

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 16.01.2007 David W. Fenton wrote: Yes, but these were exceptions rather than the rule, relevant, of course, to performing the music of the composer who had those resources available, but certainly not sufficient that we should generalize that nearly unique situation to the whole period.

Re: [Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Um, purchase a better software sampler? Native Instruments Bandstand, or Garritan Jazz Band. There are a lot of choices out there. The built in Finale sounds are, um, to be nice, very dated. George Ports wrote: I want to notate a song in Finale, save it as a midi that has a good guitar sound.

[Finale] Getting a good guitar sound

2007-01-16 Thread George Ports
I want to notate a song in Finale, save it as a midi that has a good guitar sound. All of the different programs I've tried to import the midi file to such as Finale 2006b, PowerTracks version 11, and Band in a box 2004 don't seem to have a good guitar sound. They all sound like a piano trying t

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread David W. Fenton
On 16 Jan 2007 at 8:33, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > On 16.01.2007 Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > > The only areas that could mount public concerts that were able to > > pay for themselves completely by the box office sales (and NOT > > support by a nobleman), were in London, Paris, Vienna. The really > >

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 16.01.2007 John Howell wrote: Interesting that what seems so black-and-white can be so confusing! In Messiah, since there are con ripieno indications, by default there ARE concertino players, but certainly not as featured soloists. In the operas and oratorios the orchestra is a backup ban

Re: [Finale] mozart (OT)

2007-01-16 Thread John Howell
At 8:33 AM +0100 1/16/07, Johannes Gebauer wrote: On 16.01.2007 John Howell wrote: That's also what I had in mind, and I have always thought that the ripieno indications were for this purpose. Is memory betraying me? Concertino and ripieno go back at least to Corelli's concertos (which H

RE: [Finale] FinWin - Making Dolet be usable both with version 2005 and2006

2007-01-16 Thread Mike Cholewa
Yes! Mike > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of themark > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 2:00 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: [Finale] FinWin - Making Dolet be usable both with version 2005 > and2006 > > I installed Neuratron Photos

[Finale] FinWin - Making Dolet be usable both with version 2005 and 2006

2007-01-16 Thread themark
I installed Neuratron Photoscore v.3.00. When installing Dolet I had to choose only one path and decided to put it in 2005 plugins folder. Can I simply copy the files into 2006 plugins folder to make it available when using that version? Thanks Marcello __

Re: [Finale] mozart

2007-01-16 Thread Dennis W. Manasco
At 7:21 PM -0500 1/13/07, Andrew Stiller wrote: I would only add that in the English-speaking world (and in a number of other traditions), opera was never mass entertainment because it was almost invariably performed in a foreign language. Quite truthfully: I cannot abide opera that is _n

Re:[Finale] mozart

2007-01-16 Thread Ken Moore
dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Did Brahms really write for posterity or for the next concert? Some of each, no doubt, but also to sell sheet music. The Liebeslieder Waltzes were what made him sufficiently prosperous to help Clara and the Schumann orphans. -- Ken Moore ___