Re: [Finale] Beams

On May 31, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I've broken beams from the beat a few times, when it conveys the information better. A few unassailable examples: 3/4 + 6/8 in alternating measures even when it isn't marked in the time signature (and other types of hemiola), three eig

Re: [Finale] Beams

On Mon May 31, at MondayMay 31 8:55 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Mon, May 31, 2010 4:06 pm, Christopher Smith wrote: I wouldn't want to put odd notation in front of a sight-reading orchestra musician today; I would want it as clear as possible. So here's the problem. Composers are gold

Re: [Finale] Beams

On Mon, May 31, 2010 9:06 pm, David W. Fenton wrote: > For music that is metrical and an organization according to the > barline, it is, I think, foolish to contradict that with beaming, > unless the point is to explicitly indicate that something is > happening in contradistinction to the underlyin

Re: [Finale] Beams

(We used to call that the tyranny of the barline.) Like Bartók's "tyranny of the major and minor modes"? Aaron J. Rabushka arabus...@austin.rr.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Beams

On 31 May 2010 at 20:55, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > So what's the solution? I just expect musicians to understand that > beaming primarily indicates organization in linear time -- *not* > organization to time signatures. (We used to call that the tyranny of > the barline.) For music that is me

Re: [Finale] Beams

On Mon, May 31, 2010 4:06 pm, Christopher Smith wrote: > I wouldn't want to put odd notation in front of a > sight-reading orchestra musician today; I would want it as clear as > possible. So here's the problem. Composers are gold you shouldn't indicate phrasing with slurs because string players m

Re(2): [Finale] FinMac Edit Menu Is Missing Undo/Redo Lists Item

Here's the setting: > Here's how I have Program Options>Edit set up: > On Mon, May 31, 2010, Steven C Nilson wrote: >Does this work? > >"Undo button, go to Edit --> Program Options --> Edit and make sure >"Allow Undo" is checked and look to see

Re: [Finale] Beams

At 5:25 AM +1000 6/1/10, Graeme Gerrard wrote: This raises an important issue in the development of notation. If a program such as Finale can only do a subset of things or things only in a defined way, that helps to determine what becomes canonic. Innovations that composers might have initiate

Re: [Finale] Beams

Stravinsky's music is of course notoriously easy to sight-read. [grin] Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 31 May 2010, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Yeah, really, what *was* Stravinsky thinking? ___ Finale mail

Re: [Finale] Beams

On Mon May 31, at MondayMay 31 2:50 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Yeah, really, what *was* Stravinsky thinking? WELL... He changed his mind a few times about rhythmic notation throughout his career, most likely to make things more clear to the performer, as far as I can see. I don't t

Re: [Finale] Beams

No, no my tool still works fine ... which, considering my age is remarkable ... I was asking about notational convention(s). Looks like I just need to adjust to the times. Dean On May 31, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: On May 31, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: Ac

Re: [Finale] Beams

I knew there was something I liked about Igor ... Dean On May 31, 2010, at 11:50 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: Yeah, really, what *was* Stravinsky thinking? Not sure whose rule it is that beams are for beat divisions. Sometimes beat divisions and metrical divisions aren't the same. I alw

Re: [Finale] Beams

On Mon, May 31, 2010 3:25 pm, Graeme Gerrard wrote: > If a program such as Finale can only do a subset of things or things only in > a defined way, that helps to determine what becomes canonic. > Innovations that composers might have initiated are restrained by an industry > model that is about ch

Re: [Finale] Beams

This raises an important issue in the development of notation. If a program such as Finale can only do a subset of things or things only in a defined way, that helps to determine what becomes canonic. Innovations that composers might have initiated are restrained by an industry model that is abo

Re: [Finale] Beams

On 31 May 2010 at 15:04, John Howell wrote: > I have ALWAYS used > instrumental beaming in my vocal arrangements because it is so much > easier to read, and non-beaming conveys no useful information. I certainly do that myself, though I reserve the right to break beams on syllables where it's al

Re: [Finale] Beams

Yeah, really, what *was* Stravinsky thinking? Not sure whose rule it is that beams are for beat divisions. Sometimes beat divisions and metrical divisions aren't the same. I always use beaming for metrical divisions that conflict with time signatures. As for lyrics, I remain of two minds. It depe

Re: [Finale] Beams

On May 31, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: According to Hoyle, or whoever the expert may be ... is the "Re- beam for Lyrics" tool now passe? Are you asking if the tool still works, or whether no one uses that style anymore? I like the modern beaming convention. Beaming to syllab

Re: [Finale] Beams

At 2:50 PM -0400 5/31/10, David W. Fenton wrote: On 31 May 2010 at 12:43, Darcy James Argue wrote: Beams are for unambiguously indicating beat divisions and subdivisions. Trying to get beams to indicate other things (syllabification, phrasing, etc) is a tradition I'm very happy to see die.

Re: [Finale] Beams

On 31 May 2010 at 12:43, Darcy James Argue wrote: > Beams are for unambiguously indicating beat divisions and > subdivisions. Trying to get beams to indicate other things > (syllabification, phrasing, etc) is a tradition I'm very happy to see > die. I'm not as categorical, but that may be because

Re: [Finale] Beams

Ah, two things ... thank you, and ... where the hell have I been for the last decade or two? However, I'm probably more to be pitied than censored ... I hit the big 70 next week. Dean On May 31, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Yes. Beams are for unambiguously indicating beat

Re: [Finale] Beams

Yes. Beams are for unambiguously indicating beat divisions and subdivisions. Trying to get beams to indicate other things (syllabification, phrasing, etc) is a tradition I'm very happy to see die. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 31 May 2010, at 12:19 PM, Dean M

Re: [Finale] FinMac Edit Menu Is Missing Undo/Redo Lists Item

Does this work? "Undo button, go to Edit --> Program Options --> Edit and make sure "Allow Undo" is checked and look to see the number of undos allowed." Steve On Mon, 31 May 2010 12:33:23 -0400 Leigh Daniels writes: > Hi All, > > I am using FinMac2010b and OS X 10.6.3. I am in the middle of

[Finale] FinMac Edit Menu Is Missing Undo/Redo Lists Item

Hi All, I am using FinMac2010b and OS X 10.6.3. I am in the middle of a big project and needed to use the Undo/Redo List but was surprised to find that it's no longer in my Edit menu: Here's how I have Program Options>Edit set up:

[Finale] Beams

According to Hoyle, or whoever the expert may be ... is the "Re-beam for Lyrics" tool now passe? Dean I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ __

Re: [Finale] Re: Hide Chords and Lyrics Again

Dear Bob, Make the change. I'll be back home tomorrow, and I can help then. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Bob Clifton wrote: At 12:00 PM 5/30/2010 -0500, Noel wrote: The only way I ever found to hide lyrics in FIN 2k4 is a kludge. Define the staff, and set the

[Finale] Re: Hide Chords and Lyrics Again

At 12:00 PM 5/30/2010 -0500, Noel wrote: The only way I ever found to hide lyrics in FIN 2k4 is a kludge. Define the staff, and set the baseline position relative to the staff so that the lyric is off the page. So let's say you're doing multiple verses in a grand staff, and you want to hide the

Re: [Finale] indication of hands in keyboard music

Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 Chris Bell wrote: > As a pianist/keyboardist I would feel confused by both of them. > 1 I don't like the broken 16ths   I agree. Anything that makes the rhythm more difficult to grasp is undesirable. (I hate the old style vocal scores that divide beams according to text sy