Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 2:56 PM -0400 9/17/11, David W. Fenton wrote: On 16 Sep 2011 at 23:56, John Howell wrote: By rights we should require good sightreading as a prerequisite before we accepted any student as a college music major, but if we actually did that we wouldn't have any voice majors at all

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread Peter Taylor
From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu Most of us have to make do with 5 (or only 4, in Guido's original chant notation). That's why movable clefs were invented (by Guido himself!) in the first place. As a child I once had the brilliant idea of using a 6-line staff, where each line and space

Re: [Finale] Fin08 Crash when inserting measure stacks

2011-09-18 Thread Robert Patterson
I believe my issue had something to do with multi-measure rests in the parts. I deleted all the parts (which I had not yet edited in any way) and then I was able to insert the measures. But I think I could have removed the multi-meas rests in the parts and gotten the same result, because after

Re: [Finale] was Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 7:51 AM -0400 9/18/11, Phil Daley wrote: At 9/17/2011 03:53 PM, John Howell wrote: As a practical matter you're correct. But my point is that music should be taught as rigorously in elementary schools as any other subject, And Phil answered: Good idea, but there is no time for that.

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 1:40 PM +0100 9/18/11, Peter Taylor wrote: From: John Howell john.how...@vt.edu Most of us have to make do with 5 (or only 4, in Guido's original chant notation). That's why movable clefs were invented (by Guido himself!) in the first place. As a child I once had the brilliant idea of using

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 7:27 AM -0700 9/18/11, TXSTNR POP account wrote: Lately I've been working on lead sheets for Joan Armatrading, and since her range is so low, (2nd space C in bass clef) I find it convenient to use Treble 8 in order to avoid ledger lines. That means that the lyrics are much closer to the

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread David W. Fenton
On 18 Sep 2011 at 7:51, Phil Daley wrote: At 9/17/2011 03:53 PM, John Howell wrote: As a practical matter you're correct. But my point is that music should be taught as rigorously in elementary schools as any other subject, and as rigorously as it is in the Kodály programs in

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread Phil Daley
At 9/18/2011 01:57 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Music as a discipline has been shown in studies to improve the ability of students to reason and think. Thus, time spent on teaching music properly could make the other teaching more efficient. We had plenty of time for music when I was a kid. I

[Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Dana Friedman
Hi Folks: I installed 2011c / Mac this morning. The Mac asked for username and password to perform the installation, but the username/password dialog box had no text in it, didn't automatically fill in the username, and didn't allow the user to type. Even the OK and Cancel buttons had no text

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Eric Dannewitz
It would help to know what system you are on. Though that usually never happens. -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ On Sunday, September 18, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Dana Friedman wrote: Hi Folks: I installed 2011c / Mac this morning. The Mac asked

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Dana Friedman
At 04:46 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: It would help to know what system you are on. Though that usually never happens. 10.6.8. And usually never leaves room for exceptions ;). Thanks! Dana ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Usually means that I've seen it, but it's usually that you might have installed something else requiring a reboot and haven't rebooted yet. It's real rare though. Actually, my first thought was that it might be the installer wasn't 10.7 friendly, but since you are on 10.6.8...I really

Re: [Finale] EPS export from F2010 is black in MS word

2011-09-18 Thread Christopher Smith
Darcy, Aha! Floating and In line were the salient words I needed! I was able to find them and read up on them in the help file, and sure enough, they work exactly as advertised, and then some! I can even convert one type to the other as needed if I change my mind. Thanks so much.

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Dana Friedman
but it's usually that you might have installed something else requiring a reboot and haven't rebooted yet. It's real rare though. We tried two reboots before having tried Extensions off. or maybe you accidentally pressed the space bar or delete before that dialog box came up and it cleared

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Rebooting with no extensions isn't going to fix anything. It sounds like something got messed up with your user account. You might want to reboot into the command line and run fsck to check out the disk. This might help too

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Dana Friedman
At 06:33 PM 9/18/2011, you wrote: Rebooting with no extensions isn't going to fix anything. It allowed us to do the install. But..understood.. It sounds like something got messed up with your user account. You might want to reboot into the command line and run fsck to check out the disk. That

Re: [Finale] 2011c/Mac Password dialog box anomaly during install

2011-09-18 Thread Randolph Peters
On 2011-09-18, at 3:46 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: It would help to know what system you are on. Though that usually never happens. -- Eric Dannewitz Musician/Polymath/Evil Genius http://www.ericdannewitz.com/ On Sunday, September 18, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Dana Friedman wrote:

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Sep 18, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Peter Taylor wrote: I've enjoyed this discussion. Treble clef for tenors, with or without the 8, seems the most natural to me, because the voice range is similar to soprano, albeit an octave lower. But what about altos using treble clef? If anything, that

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread John Howell
At 5:49 PM -0700 9/18/11, Mark D Lew wrote: I find alto voice parts in 8vb much more confusing than tenor voice parts in 8vb. As in most notation questions (as in the difference bewteen jazz and classical interpretations), what matters is communication and what your singers are used to.

Re: [Finale] Tenor-singers Clefs Discussion wrapup

2011-09-18 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
John Howell wrote: that's true up through Mozart as far as sacred music goes. but I would note that it's also true for a significant portion of English Cathedral Music up through the present time. While much of the music is quite lovely with a mixed choir, the choirs with whom the composers