Allegro, andante, old Italian. Who in this time (in their native
language)
actually puts happy as a musical direction or walking? (Okay,
maybe the
Italians. Sr. Andreani, care to respond?)
Walking isn't a very good translation of andante. The closest
English equivalent would be going,
Richard Yates wrote:
The term bandstration has been in widespread use for over 40 years.
And you're advocating the use of such a monstrosity?
I've never heard it, myself, and think it is ridiculous.
--
David W. Fenton
Googling bandstration (a common method of judging frequency of usage that
is
On Aug 25, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Bandstration?
?
Someone please tell me WHAT the classical music world has against the
word arrangement. What's wrong with saying Arranged for band?
Arranged for string quartet? Arranged for wind octet?
- Darcy
The word bandstration was
On Aug 25, 2004, at 5:34 PM, James Bailey wrote:
Words have meanings, but if, as you say (and I agree)
the English meaning doesn't match the Italian meaning, what is the
English
meaning? That's the whole point, as far as I'm concerned. We have all
the
musical terms that we've changed the
indeed, something is lost in castration...
klaas.
Op 26-aug-04 om 17:49 heeft Andrew Stiller het volgende geschreven:
On Aug 25, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote:
At 3:21 PM -0400 8/25/04, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 at 11:41, Andrew Stiller wrote:
What about piano to concert band?
On 26 Aug 2004 at 11:47, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Aug 25, 2004, at 3:21 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
The term bandstration has been in widespread use for over 40
years.
And you're advocating the use of such a monstrosity?
It's not up to me to advocate. I'm not in charge of the English
Carlberg Jones wrote:
At 3:21 PM -0400 8/25/04, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 at 11:41, Andrew Stiller wrote:
What about piano to concert band? What would you call that (other
than the generic arrangement?
--
The term bandstration has been in widespread use for over 40 years.
What would
On Aug 25, 2004, at 3:31 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote:
At 3:21 PM -0400 8/25/04, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 25 Aug 2004 at 11:41, Andrew Stiller wrote:
What about piano to concert band? What would you call that (other
than the generic arrangement?
--
The term bandstration has been in widespread use for
On Aug 25, 2004, at 3:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Bandstration?
?
Someone please tell me WHAT the classical music world has against the
word arrangement. What's wrong with saying Arranged for band?
Arranged for string quartet? Arranged for wind octet?
Well, it's kind of what this whole
On Aug 25, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:
Someone please tell me WHAT the classical music world has against the
word arrangement. What's wrong with saying Arranged for band?
Arranged for string quartet? Arranged for wind octet?
The classical music world has nothing against the
Ouch.
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At 3:21 PM -0400 8/25/04, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 25
On 25.08.2004 14:14 Uhr, Mark D Lew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Walking isn't a very good translation of andante. The closest
English equivalent would be going, and in the musical context it's
more like moving. Perhaps you are getting confused with Spanish,
where andar is associated more
The term bandstration has been in widespread use for over 40 years.
And you're advocating the use of such a monstrosity?
I've never heard it, myself, and think it is ridiculous.
--
David W. Fenton
Googling bandstration (a common method of judging frequency of usage that
is used in
On 25 Aug 2004 at 16:55, Richard Yates wrote:
The term bandstration has been in widespread use for over 40
years.
And you're advocating the use of such a monstrosity?
I've never heard it, myself, and think it is ridiculous.
--
David W. Fenton
Googling bandstration (a common
Googling bandstration (a common method of judging frequency of usage
that is used in alt.english.usage) turns up only 18 hits. This is a
remarkably low total for a 40 year old term. (for comparison David W.
Fenton turns up 4,950)
' David W. Fenton -finale' reduces that by 3/4. Clearly his
On Aug 25, 2004, at 2:34 PM, James Bailey wrote:
But this is the point. Words have meanings, but if, as you say (and I
agree)
the English meaning doesn't match the Italian meaning, what is the
English
meaning? That's the whole point, as far as I'm concerned. We have all
the
musical terms that
On Aug 23, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Aug 23, 2004, at 6:17 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 23 Aug 2004 at 11:35, Mark D Lew wrote:
The definitions that Andrew Stiller gave sound exactly right to me.
My only quibble is with the idea that orchestration applies only to
orchestras. I
I always thought of orchestration as simply the process of writing music for
instruments; whereas transcription would be used in any case where the
destination ensemble is not the same as the original. So Bach's versions of
Vivaldi's concerto's works as a transcription as well as transcribing a
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:03:13 -0400, Andrew Stiller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So you guys wd. have no problem with, this piano sonata was later
orchestrated for string quartet? To me that makes as much sense as
Admission is free, so pay at the door; pull up a chair and sit on the
floor.
It
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark D Lew
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just more evidence that the difference between the various types of
work is a continuum and you can always find a gray area at the margin.
Lord Kelvin wrote (something like), Science starts when measurement
starts. Language is
On 24 Aug 2004 at 11:03, Andrew Stiller wrote:
On Aug 23, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:
On Aug 23, 2004, at 6:17 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On 23 Aug 2004 at 11:35, Mark D Lew wrote:
The definitions that Andrew Stiller gave sound exactly right to
me.
My only
Would you prefer This piano sonata was instrumentated for string
quartet?
Not at all. Arranged will do, as will transcribed or even scored.
Andrew Stiller
Kallisti Music Press
http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/
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It's not easy as it seems to be. I'll start with three definitions from
the Virginia Tech Multimedia Music Dictionary:
Arrangement: The selection and adaptation of a composition or parts of a
composition to instruments for which it was not originally designed or
for some other use for which it
I would call what you are asking about a transcription.
I've always thought of the three in this manner:
Arrangement: taking a given work and changing it's basic road-map as
well as possibly changing the orchestration. Such as taking the basic
32-bar song format of The Lady Is A Tramp and
On Aug 23, 2004, at 5:50 AM, Giovanni Andreani wrote:
It's not easy as it seems to be. I'll start with three definitions from
the Virginia Tech Multimedia Music Dictionary:
Arrangement: The selection and adaptation of a composition or parts of a
composition to instruments for which it was not
Mark D Lew wrote:
On Aug 23, 2004, at 5:08 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I would call what you are asking about a transcription.
Interesting. I would have called it an arrangement.
I've always thought of the three in this manner:
Arrangement: taking a given work and changing it's basic road-map as
well
On Aug 23, 2004, at 11:52 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I've always seen the term arranged by used in conjunction with works
which are definitely different in road-map from the original. Maybe
it's just my narrow sphere of experience.
In the classical world, we don't often change the road-map at all. My
On Aug 23, 2004, at 2:52 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how would you term these three things:
1) setting The Lady Is A Tramp for big-band, to last 5 minutes;
That depends on what a setting is! In this case, it looks like an
arrangement to me.
2) getting a piano part from a client
At 02:52 PM 8/23/04 -0400, dhbailey wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how would you term these three things:
1) setting The Lady Is A Tramp for big-band, to last 5 minutes;
2) getting a piano part from a client and setting it for full orchestra
without changing the length of the work or the roadmap;
At 11:51 AM 8/23/04 -0700, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Aha! Dennis BK's nonpop strikes again!
Boom!
In college, our Music History prof instructed us to capitalize it if
we meant the specific period and keep it lower-case for the entire
spectrum. I prefer the term art music, but I can appreciate the
Giovanni Andreani wrote:
It's not easy as it seems to be.
I don't think there are firm rules to distinguish between these terms.
In my own usage, the use of the words transposition, transcription,
adaptation, and arrangement is determined by the amount of change to
the original material. A
On Aug 23, 2004, at 1:25 PM, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
I don't think there are firm rules to distinguish between these terms.
In my own usage, the use of the words transposition,
transcription, adaptation, and arrangement is determined by the
amount of change to the original material. A
On 23 Aug 2004 at 11:35, Mark D Lew wrote:
The definitions that Andrew Stiller gave sound exactly right to me.
My only quibble is with the idea that orchestration applies only to
orchestras. I thought it was now pretty common to use the term
metaphorically as replacement for the klunky
Responding to the following bit of my whimsy,
I don't think there are firm rules to distinguish between these terms.
In my own usage, the use of the words transposition,
transcription, adaptation, and arrangement is determined by the
amount of change to the original material. A transposition
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