Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread terry cano
I wished U would have helped David with his Arranging book...it was (is) in really poor hand Terry --- On Fri, 8/21/09, David W. Fenton wrote: > From: David W. Fenton > Subject: Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores > To: Finale@shsu.edu > Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 2:10 PM

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: > In an earlier period, they were prepared for the copyist to prepare > the parts. And that's one of the reasons that Kim's situation is so > interesting to me, in that the scores he's working with would likely > have confused most copyists in

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread Ray Horton
We performed and recorded a couple of David Baker pieces in the LO back in 1974.Great guy. John Howell wrote: At 2:54 PM -0400 8/21/09, David W. Fenton wrote: Certainly, French music printing in the early 18th century (for example) is very elegant and easy to read from, but a lot of MSS

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Aug 2009 at 16:22, John Howell wrote: > Don Moses was the chorus master, > but I got drafted to assist him because I was the only one who could > read David's chicken scratchings! Just another indication that early > full scores were for composers, not conductors, and were never > inten

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread John Howell
At 2:54 PM -0400 8/21/09, David W. Fenton wrote: Certainly, French music printing in the early 18th century (for example) is very elegant and easy to read from, but a lot of MSS from the same period (and later) are very difficult and filled with inconsistencies and outright errors. That's true

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread David W. Fenton
On 21 Aug 2009 at 14:09, John Howell wrote: > a lot of hard-core specialists DO prefer facsimiles rather > than modern editions, feeling that they convey information that > modern editions strip out, but those are few and far between, and > would be useless for the performers Kim is targeting--

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread John Howell
At 1:19 PM -0400 8/21/09, Kim Patrick Clow wrote: All this talk about concert pitches and brass parts brings to mind that from what I understand now, many HIP performance groups would rather use the 18th century parts when available and make any editorial changes on those-- really taking out the

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread Ray Horton
My college prof in this area would always say that the best modern editions should be usable by both performer and scholar. Not always easy RBH Kim Patrick Clow wrote: All this talk about concert pitches and brass parts brings to mind that from what I understand now, many HIP performance g

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread John Howell
At 12:14 PM -0500 8/21/09, Howey, Henry wrote: The practice is varied, but I believe pre-20th-century composers thought in clefs, not transpositions. Most were keyboard players with considerable clef skills. Absolutely true. Movable clefs were standard from Guido's 11th century notation on,

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread Kim Patrick Clow
All this talk about concert pitches and brass parts brings to mind that from what I understand now, many HIP performance groups would rather use the 18th century parts when available and make any editorial changes on those-- really taking out the step of making a performing edition. But that still

[Finale] Concert pitch scores

2009-08-21 Thread Howey, Henry
The practice is varied, but I believe pre-20th-century composers thought in clefs, not transpositions. Most were keyboard players with considerable clef skills. What you're dealing with is a matter of philology. Depending on the level and philosophy of creating an edition, I suggest the edition

RE: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2005-10-04 Thread keith helgesen
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darcy James Argue Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2005 12:50 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores Hi John, I don't think purists have a good reason to balk at this. In fact, using sub-8 and super-8 clefs addresses one of the objections that pu

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2005-10-04 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi John, I don't think purists have a good reason to balk at this. In fact, using sub-8 and super-8 clefs addresses one of the objections that purists often have to using concert pitch scores at all -- which is that it's often not clear whether octave-transposing instruments are being sho

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2005-10-04 Thread John Bell
Hi Darcy Yes I'd thought about going down that avenue. Purists would baulk at having little 8s on clefs for piccolos and basses, but using the clef designer to hide these, as you suggest, solves that issue. I suppose my ideal solution would be to to have these options: * Display in transpo

Re: [Finale] Concert pitch scores

2005-10-04 Thread Darcy James Argue
John, I use octave-transposing clefs (for instance, the sub-8 bass clef for contrabass, or the super-8 treble clef for piccolo), with the staff transposition set to replace those clefs with the usual ones (and apply the appropriate transposition, of course) on the extracted part. I person

[Finale] Concert pitch scores

2005-10-04 Thread John Bell
In concert pitch scores, common practice is to write all octave- transposing instruments at their transposed pitches. Out-of -the-box, Finale will render these extracted parts in the wrong octave, so the obvious remedy is to go through the instrument.txt file in Component Files and change th