Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Christopher Smith
On Wed Jan 18, at WednesdayJan 18 2:56 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jan 18, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: > >> No, I think you got it. And I just got it, too—by nudging the lyric barline >> you don't need an extra entry. But you need at least ONE entry in the >> measure to attach th

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Ayottemusic
Note, also, that there is all the difference on the world (according to Finale) between a rest that you enter and a rest that it generates to fill empty measures. Dr. Benjamin Ayotte http://www.ayottemusic.com Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2012, at 14:56, Mark D Lew wrote: > On Jan 18, 2012

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Mark D Lew
On Jan 18, 2012, at 6:38 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: > No, I think you got it. And I just got it, too—by nudging the lyric barline > you don't need an extra entry. But you need at least ONE entry in the measure > to attach the lyric barline to. If a part has rests, it isn't possible. Or is > i

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Rests? What are rests? OOOH, those things performers tell me I use too few of. :) Seriously, I don't recall how I handled those things... haven't done it in a while, certainly way before linked parts (and probably many other recent Finale developments that have made difficult things easier). But

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Christopher Smith
No, I think you got it. And I just got it, too—by nudging the lyric barline you don't need an extra entry. But you need at least ONE entry in the measure to attach the lyric barline to. If a part has rests, it isn't possible. Or is it? Christopher On Wed Jan 18, at WednesdayJan 18 8:32 AM, Den

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Steve Parker
In this case (and given that the piece is not too long), I would enter all on one line. It requires planning how many bars per system. I then would enter say 6 bars of part 1 followed by 5 bars of part two. All the music in the middle can be entered normally and then the opposite at the end. Thi

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread SN jef chippewa
ah! right, never thought of using the "/" character (engraverfontset 24 pt) for a barline as a text expression but it could be done that way too quite well. but it is way too thin for me, i just tested and it seems to be 3.125 EVPUs thin (yuck). but i suppose if you use the finale templ

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
May I don't grasp the original post. It sounds like he needs staggered barlines (as I think we used to call them). For this, hiding 'real' barlines and using barlines as lyrics means they can space themselves the same in all parts they affect. It doesn't work in every situation, though. I've used e

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Christopher Smith
Wha...? My mind is boggling right now. This means that you need to enter an entry (note or rest) to attach the lyric, that is then hidden, and affects music spacing in the staves that DON'T have a barline at the same place. My solution for added space using blank articulations means that the ex

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Giovanni Andreani
Thanks for all the suggestions, I'll try to use a shape expression, as Jef Chippewa suggests. The reason for this is that I need to represent two melodies, the second being performed as a canon and starting on measure 2 with measure 1 hidden, thus ending one measure later, showing a double bar l

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Robert Patterson
It depends on exactly what you need to do. You can hide barlines with a staff style, then override them with group barlines. In most cases where I have needed to do this I have not had to resort to expressions except on single staves. For single staves, the barline symbols in the Sonata font come i

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread SN jef chippewa
for this, i would also *definitely* use a shape expression (and regularly do). set its positioning in relation to the right barline. don't use a smart shape, if the measure width and / or layout is changed, the vertical angle (whcih you hope is 90 degrees) may change, and then you may have to

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
There are so many kluges. For many measures that need separate barlines, I use barlines as lyrics and type them in. Dennis On Wed, January 18, 2012 6:02 am, Christopher Smith wrote: > Hi Giovanni, > > I think the only way is to create a large measure, then add in the barlines as > expressions.

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Christopher Smith
Hi Giovanni, I think the only way is to create a large measure, then add in the barlines as expressions. I think recent versions of Finale already have barlines created as expressions for this purpose. You might have to mess around with music spacing to recreate the space after a barline that

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Florence + Michael
For the moment all I can think of is this: Hide certain bar lines with a staff style, then replace them with graphic bar lines created with the Expression tool. Michael On 18 Jan 2012, at 11:30, Giovanni Andreani wrote: > I apologize for the double thread; I'm reposting this message thank's t

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Steve Parker
As always with my replies, someone will reply afterwards with a proper solution... ;-) I just use smart-shape lines to do this. Steve Parker On 18 Jan 2012, at 10:30, Giovanni Andreani wrote: > I apologize for the double thread; I'm reposting this message thank's to > Dennis' advice about not

[Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Giovanni Andreani
I apologize for the double thread; I'm reposting this message thank's to Dennis' advice about not clicking on an old thread for creating a new one. I need to show two different bar lines in two different staves in the same measure. The staves are grouped together. The measure attributes will cha

Re: [Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Giovanni Andreani
Crikey! I cancelled all the recipient addresses except for the finale@shsu.edu. How did you see I clicked another thread? Giovanni Andreani www.giovanniandreani.eu >Le 18/01/2012 09:45, Giovanni Andreani écrit : >> I need to show two different bar lines in two different staves in the

[Finale] Different Bar Lines in Same Score's Measure

2012-01-18 Thread Giovanni Andreani
I need to show two different bar lines in two different staves in the same measure. The staves are grouped together. The measure attributes will change all of the bar lines in the same way and it looks like there's no way to create a staff style with such a behavior. Is there any way to accompli