Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-08 Thread Phil Buglass
I am sorry if I have offended anyone by this. I am certainly grateful for all the help and suggestions, and I try to express it. If my frustration got the better of me, then I apologise abjectly. It certainly was not intended as any kind of slight. I do tend to get frustrated when I am doing

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-08 Thread Raymond Horton
That's an important difference that Don points out: the "Tempo Marks" category defaults to "Beginning of Measure," (or "Start of Time Signature," I forget which) while the "Tempo Alterations" category defaults to "Horizontal Click Positioning" Of course, either can be redefined as a category or in

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-08 Thread Raymond Horton
Some suggestions: 1) Just as the esteemed composer David Froom suggested earlier, don't use the Finale-defined rits, etc. Make your own tempo marks - they can show, they can be hidden, they can be a "rit." with a tempo attached. 2) To make your own tempo mark, select expressions ("mf"), select

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-08 Thread Don Hart
Hi Phil, I've used hidden tempo marks for years (with and w/out HP) and have been quite successful getting tempos how I like/envision them. For positioning, put those expressions in the "Tempo Alterations" category. The default positioning in that category is "Horizontal Click Positioning" which

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-08 Thread David H. Bailey
On 4/7/2013 2:05 PM, Phil Buglass wrote: > Yeah, I have heard the ones on the garritan website. They are amazing. > > Anyway, I cleared out the data from the second > half of the file, like you said in your previous message. > > Putting in a rall in the last couple of measures > actually worked!

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-08 Thread Phil Buglass
I would tend to agree, except I need the final result output to CD so it can be played through the church's sound system. Finale is the only program I have which will do that - even if I do have to go through a .wav first! Phil. At 04:26 PM 4/7/2013, you wrote: >In my somewhat less than humbl

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread TXSTNR POP account
In my somewhat less than humble opinion, you're driving yourself nuts trying to do this in Finale, when a MIDI sequencing program, such as DP or Logic, is much more suitable. On Apr 7, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Phil Buglass wrote: > Hi, > > This is a great idea. The problem is that these > tempo ma

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
Hi, This is a great idea. The problem is that these tempo marks attach themselves to the beginning of the measure. The manual says you can attach expressions to notes, but it doesn't work with these. I tried dragging them around, but the attachment snaps to the next measure, not the next

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
I tried that, but it did even less than before. I just tried editing the shape of the rall expression, but even changing the numbers to ridiculous values, I can't detect any change to the tempo. I put both the time and scale numbers to around 25, which according to the manual, should almost

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Raymond Horton
Try the modulation I described. And check the GPO patch to make sure it is loaded OK. Also, don't forget you can adjust balance in the "Studio" view. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread David Froom
On 7 Apr 2013, at 1:00 PM, wrote: > That is what I am finding too... It is a bit > annoying, having just bought GPO4, especially to get better-sounding output. > Most of the stuff I have done, the appearance is > most important. It is going to be used by real > people, and the audio output

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
No, they are not repeating notes. Besides, it is a 2-measure phrase which repeats several times among different voices, and all the others play ok. Just the alto line, which is turned up pretty high, and marked forte right at that entry. I have tried this new stripped-down copy both with an

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
Yeah, I have heard the ones on the garritan website. They are amazing. Anyway, I cleared out the data from the second half of the file, like you said in your previous message. Putting in a rall in the last couple of measures actually worked! Doing it in the problem measure, however, didn't

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Raymond Horton
Are the notes that are not playing repeated notes of the same pitch? I often have to shorten notes so the repeated ones will play. I will routinely use the midi tool to highlight the entire score, then under midi tool menu select "edit note durations," then "percent alter" to a number like 96 or

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Raymond Horton
I have gotten some great sounding demo recordings using Finale and GPO. Takes a little work, but you just have to figure out the best ways to use GPO. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
As I said in another post, most of the tempo changes - both wanted and unwanted - failed to survive the night. I think the cat must be getting on here after I am asleep... Today's problem is getting the program to consistently play the notes that are there. I have a couple of sections where

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
That is what I am finding too... It is a bit annoying, having just bought GPO4, especially to get better-sounding output. Most of the stuff I have done, the appearance is most important. It is going to be used by real people, and the audio output is just for my own use as I work on it. This

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread TXSTNR POP account
I've been using Finale since 2000 and I've found that when I need truly realistic playback I need to go elsewhere for it. In my case I use MOTU's Digital Performer. I DO NOT try to import or export MIDI files, as I've found that to be too problematic. So I end up doing all of the work twice,

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Raymond Horton
OK, Phil, looking over your older posts, I am guessing you are using Finale-Windows 2012. I have that, but because of a couple of issues I reverted to 2011. I am going to be trying 2012 again in a few days, though. I think this stuff has not changed, so try this: 1) Save your file 2) With the

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
I have finale 2012c on a pc running windows 7 ultimate 64-bit. To give an idea of why I am so aggravated, all those tempo changes which I put in yesterday? Most of them have gone away overnight. My first guess there would be user error - but I kept saving every few minutes while I was worki

Re: [Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Raymond Horton
What version (what year, and Mac or Windows) of Finale are you using, Phil? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Phil Buglass wrote: > I'm sorry, I don'

[Finale] Tempo changes

2013-04-07 Thread Phil Buglass
I'm sorry, I don't know how to do that... I am finding this process very frustrating. Most of my stuff is producing printed music to be played, but this one is to be 'performed'. Trying to get it to sound right is driving me in circles. Some of the stuff - articulations, slurs, for example -

[Finale] tempo changes

2013-04-06 Thread Phil Buglass
Hi, Is there a way to have finale display the tempo changes which have been entered? I have a measure where I want a strong rallentando throughout the measure. I have entered tempo changes on each beat, taking the tempo down 5 bpm each time. If I go through the tempo adjustment dialogue