This message is from: "Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I asked a couple of people (please remember we have very few Fjords in this
country) what they though thought of them. The following is one of the
answers I received:
>>What do you think about Norwegian Fjords?
**I had a chat to a lady at Equitana
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Karen McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Subject: Re: More photos
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:24:20 -0500
Greetings from Northern Nevada,
Here are some photos of 2 mares of mine that Lori has graciously put
This message is from: "Turcotte, Dianne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Well, since almost everyone on this list has given there opinion over and
over again on this subject, I guess I'll add my two cents worth...
Fjords are the best! there is no subsitute! Don't mess with perfection!
I mean while you are a
This message is from: "Turcotte, Dianne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
When I read this I really didn't know how to respond, of course
this example is everyone's worst fear, and being that, we all put it off as
something that would happen to some one else, we hope to God that it
couldn't happen to us. I c
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Gayle your website is great, just have to wait a bit to get the purple out.
So nice to be able to admire Dusty whenever I want to. Jean
Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter"
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http:
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dear Carol, How terrible to hear of the loss of the two fjord mares. It
brought the old sadness back to me in the loss of my Howdy two years ago.
The same guilt re what could I have done to prevent this terrible loss and
the pain of his dying
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am heading out to New Mexico on Saturday morning will arrive Sunday in
Albuquerque. I am making a pretty broad sweep and if I have time would love to
visit with other listers. I get to see Sue again and meet Gail-Dorine and Josie.
I
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Lynn, a geneticist would probably have to answer your question about why a
Fjord doesn't seem to pass on his "good" traits when crossbred. From the
amount of first hand accounts that responded on the List, the results of
crossbreeding do not seem to creat
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire)
Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Everytime I have people visiting our Fjords, and I tell them all about this
wonderful breed, and somewhere along the line I get to the part that our
breed registry DOES NOT ALL
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire)
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Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Three days ago I got an email that started out - "Carol, I've got really
awful news." It was from a friend and customer who owned two of our
horses, two young imported mares
This message is from: Kathy Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lori Puster wrote:
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> My own interest in the NFHR rule is my fondness for Mules. I would be
> interested in seeing a Fjord Mule or hearing from anyone who has seen one.
> I un
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i might be interested in this mare. i have been looking for an older
fjord for a family pet and to do some very light trail riding.
we currently have a pasa fino and rwo mini horses. i have a small farm
in solon, ohio, and for the last 30
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The "no mule" designation was added just a little over a year ago. Maybe one
of the listers who has been here for a while saved that thread? When we
switched list sponsers I'm sure the Archives were deleted, if there were any.
Kate in CT
mom to Bald
This message is from: Lori Puster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks to Linda for the "Fjule" designation. :)
Several people have now chimed in, publicly and privately, on the side of
mules being allowed.
Am I reading the rule NFHR wrong? Because it seems to sanction mule
breeding as well as horse
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lynn:
I agree. I will quit with this discussion. I am a fan of promoting pureness
of breeds, but I can't take tunnel vision. Sorry if I ticked anyone off!~
Anna
From: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.myste
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anna-
Question: Why own and promote Fjords if all you want to do is exactly
opposite of what everyone else is trying to preserver. to try and get
something that you have no idea what the outcome will be-aren't there enough
unwanted horses
This message is from: "Julie Will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dolph, in the event a horse had their papers pulled because of cross
breeding, and was subsequently sold to a new owner, the new owner could
petition the NFHR Board of Directors for a re-instatement. Obviously it
would be much better for the
This message is from: Kay Howitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks for the link...easy enough! I don't want to stop the list, just need a
handier
form for now. Kay in AK
Lori Albrough wrote:
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> Hi Kay, you can make changes from Steve's webpag
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I don't see a problem with mules for your personal use, because mules can't
breed, and they look like mules. I think stallions should be sold carefully
only to people who are screened by the seller and everything else gelded.
It's like in purebred dogs,
This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It sounds to me that if you are seeing many TB's that are small boned and "hot"
and
if this is not the desired trait, we bought our horse for dressage, not because
he
was a TB, then this needs to be taken up with TB breeders. What is/are the
This message is from: Dolph Courchaine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
First I must congratulate everyone on having a very lively discussion that
is respectful of everyone's opinions. In the past I have 'harped' on some
previous etiquette problems, as I saw it. With this discussion I have seen
none. Hurray
This message is from: "Lynn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello all
I am new to this list and joined it to learn a little more about Fjords
which are not common in my country (Australia) where I believe there are
only two breeders.
I have presently a mixture of TB's, a hannoverian, a Friesian purebred an
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In a message dated 03/23/2000 12:13:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
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> BUT , how may TB are NOT good horses in terms of temperment or have bad
bone
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> and otherwise would be a suitable horse to compete with? That is my point.
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Mike May, Registrar NFHR" wrote:
> The NFHR Evaluation Handbook revision is complete.
Great booklet! Congratulations to all who worked on it, and thanks for
making it available for free on the web site.
Lori
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In a message dated 03/23/2000 10:08:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> My
> point is for cross breeding for sport
What sport? Frankly I see very few truely great sport horses. Sport to me
means 3 day eventing. I've seen fjords d
This message is from: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Olsen
I'm becoming totally confused! If a fjord doesn't pass on good traits
during breeding for a cross, how do they pass them on in breeding to another
fjord? This whole thread is going no where, no one will change their
opinion and tend to
This message is from: "Catherine Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Howdy and Bye for the next few days. we are off to the Greater Northwest
Horse Expo. Gail Ware and her gang and Peg and her gang and myself will be
there to WOW the crowds... at least I hope so. Come say hi if you go there.
(Albany, OR
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
YES< it could. So could breeding bad PUREBRED Fjords. So what is your point
against crossbreeding? THere are MANY poor purebred Fjords.
THanks
Anna
From: "Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
To: <[EMAIL
This message is from: Lori Puster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>From the sheer number and sometimes hyperbolic tone of the posts, the issue
of crossbreeding has struck a nerve.
As to my comment on the possibility that many Fjord owners like the
attention their horses uniqueness garners, it was not meant t
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi List,
I just wanted to share my GREAT day with other fjord people :)
I have never driven my fjordsthey have never been taught to drive. So
this winter I picked up a used farm harnesswasn't even sure it would fit
but looked like it would, wasn't
This message is from: "Ursula Jensen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Listwhenever this topic comes up for discussion it makes me crazy.
Like many of you Brian and I have passionate views about the topic. As
breeders we compete with cross-breds in the marketplace here in B.C. all the
time. We are also
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Anna, exactly what specific traits do you think the Fjord would pass along to
other breeds if you did crossbreeding? No offense, but crossing a Fjord with
a thoroughbred sounds like a train wreck! Unfortunately, there is more
evidence to support the fact
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In a message dated 00-03-23 11:46:43 EST, you write:
<<
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa:
The point was not to improve the Fjord. You are missing the point. >>
*
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In a message dated 00-03-23 11:46:43 EST, you write:
<< This is a free country and you are free to do as you please but just keep
in
mind that economically your choice to cross breed is a poor one and if you
are ever looking forward to entering into any
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 08:59 AM 3/23/2000 PST, you wrote:
>This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Debby:
>
>BUT , how may TB are NOT good horses in terms of temperment or have bad bone
>and otherwise would be a suitable horse to compete wit
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The appaloosas when I was a girl (it's been a few years), still frequently
had a running walk that could keep up with any Tennessee Walker and never
needed shoes. Disposition - definitely nasty until you convinced them you
were their best friend and then
This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anna, what are the problems with the TB? I have one, he's a TB, I knew he was a
TB
when we bought him. He's built like a TB. He moves like a TB. I don't
understand
how a Fjord would improve a TB. I cannot imagine our TB being crossed with
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Great Site Gayle, I just had to go check it out. You need some pictures of
your other stallion though (unless I missed them somehow?)
Thanks NFHR for the wonderful diagrams on conformation. Being new to the
Fjord horse or any other horse for that matte
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gayle, your site, up loaded fast and was great. Good pictures and a nice
story. Thanks for the enjoyment with my cup of coffee this am. Have a fun
time at Albany this weekend. Amy and Bud will be there. I want to baby-sit
our Emily and care for our pet
This message is from: Mark and Lisa McGinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Thanks Mike,
I'm heading out tomorrow to western Montana to pick up three Fjords from
Phil Petty (I only get to keep one!) and I printed out both the Evaluation
info and the Breed Standard for some casual reading when I'm not drivin
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lori:
I am not being pushy, just stating a point. The value of the purebred is in
breeding as well as competition, the value of a cross in only competition.
What I am trying to say is that they will do the purebred no harm.
As far as
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Steve:
That is correct. It was Justin Morgan. The Lippitt Morgan, a line of today's
Morgans were saved from outcross by John Lippitt of VT so that they would
not be "prettied" up by the infusion of Saddlebred and Arab as today's show
M
This message is from: "Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I was going to stay out of this discussion. I told myself repeatedly to
stay out...Sigh...Wish I could keep my mouth shut. But I can't so:
I do not want to see crossbreeds. It's a simple, mercenary reason. If
someone owns or rides or sees a c
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In a message dated 00-03-23 11:46:43 EST, you write:
<<
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa--
Wednesday, March 22, 2000, you wrote:
> The Morgans started out with John Morgan, a 13.3 hand workaholic.
> Versital, handy, wel
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Debby:
BUT , how may TB are NOT good horses in terms of temperment or have bad bone
and otherwise would be a suitable horse to compete with? That is my point.
The Fjord could bring the hottness down, and could add good bone to the TB
a
This message is from: Misty Meadows B & B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Does anyone out there have a second-hand single driving harness in good used
condition that they would be willing to part with. Also starting to look for a
metal four wheeled cart. Please email us privately. Thanks.
Cathy at Misty Mead
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 08:33 AM 3/23/00 -0600, you wrote:
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa--
Wednesday, March 22, 2000, you wrote:
> The Morgans started out with John Morgan, a 13.3 hand workaholic.
> Versital, handy, well manered, a
This message is from: "Tish Pasqual" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Three cheers to Lisa and others for handling this question, AGREE AGREE AGREE
Tish and Elph in Minneapolis
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anna wrote:
>>The point isn't to better or change the Fjord, it is to make sport horse
types better. We all know the problems with TB, this is just one breed that
the Fjord could improve on. >>
Anna, a question: why do you think the
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From: fjordhorse-digest[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 2:33 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Cross Breeding
Couldn't keep quiet here.. b
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anna wrote:
>>I have spent my life studying many different breeds and I think
quite a few are great breeds, but many are too specialized and should not be
owned by the average owner, but to combine that those breeds with something
li
This message is from: Debby Stai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have a friend at my barn that has Arabs, swears they are THE only horse. I
love Arabs, I have one although I wouldn't have another, my personal choice.
She's forever telling me to cross by Fjord with an Arab, says it would improve
the Fjord.
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The NFHR Evaluation Handbook revision is complete. It is now in a .PDF
file that can be downloaded for free from the NFHR Web Site. It is the
complete Evaluation Handbook with all of the diagrams of the Performance
tests a
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The NFHR Breed Standard has been updated with diagrams to give examples of
the correct looks & also faults. It is available for download as a .PDF
file on the NFHR web site.
You will need the Adobe Acrobat Reader to view or print the file.
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Kay Howitt wrote:
> Due to my own time constraints I'd prefer to go to digest for Fjordhorse, but
> I
> can't figure out how to make the change,
Hi Kay, you can make changes from Steve's webpage:
http://members.home.net:80/smcilree/Subsc
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 08:36 AM 3/23/00 -0500, you wrote:
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Hello Everyone,
I've been totally INUNDATED lately, running in circles trying to get ready
for the EXPO this weekend. We will be leaving in a few hours, but before
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The Minutes of the 3/8/2000 NFHR BOD's Teleconference meeting have been
posted to the NFHR web site.
Here is a link to view them:
http://www.nfhr.com/newsinfo.html#Minutes
Mike
=
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Anna Rousseau wrote:
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> This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to
> register the offspring
Okay. So bad example (the ruination of QH's and othe
This message is from: Kay Howitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Everyone, I've been reading with interest the thread about whether or not to
crossbreed a Fjord...
Due to my own time constraints I'd prefer to go to digest for Fjordhorse, but I
can't figure out how to make the change, or perhaps this is no
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AGAIN people. Crossbreeding cannot hurt the Fjord unless you decide to
register the offspring Come on now!And no one is trying to better the
Fjord breed. IT is what it is, you cannot register the crossbred anyhow so
how could you po
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ron:
No one was talking about entering a Fjord show with a cross, nor were we
trying to change your mind. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I say
maintain your purebreds, I am very much for that and not infusing any other
breed t
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sherrie:
YOu cannot generalize in such a statement. How can you say what each cross
will definately look like? Only God has that power. How many Fjord crosses
have you seen?
Anna
From: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Repl
This message is from: "Anna Rousseau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa:
The point was not to improve the Fjord. You are missing the point. I have a
Lippitt Morgan stallion as well. The Morgan people do cross their Morgans.
The point isn't to better or change the Fjord, it is to make sport horse
type
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 08:36 AM 03/23/2000 EST, you wrote:
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The URL is www.fjordhorse.com. Let me know
>what you think.
Hi Gayle,
that's going to be one great website! but... can't read that black print on
dark purp
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lisa--
Wednesday, March 22, 2000, you wrote:
> The Morgans started out with John Morgan, a 13.3 hand workaholic.
> Versital, handy, well manered, a dream come true.
Justin case it escaped everyone's notice. John Morgan?
--
Steve McIlree
This message is from: "Lynn Mohr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Creating cross bred fjords doesn't affect the breed at all. The crosses
made be good or bad, but they are not fjords. The other breeds that you
feel are screwed up were done by breeders selecting for certain traits,
within the breed, not by c
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Hello Everyone,
I've been totally INUNDATED lately, running in circles trying to get ready
for the EXPO this weekend. We will be leaving in a few hours, but before we
go, wanted to let everyone know that the folks designing my website just told
me that
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Lisa I totally agree. Couldn't have said it better re the Morgans and QH's.
My clients all know better than to mention those breeds now as I get so upset
with how improperly they were bred. I do feel there are good ones out there,
but you have to searc
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Lynn Mohr wrote:
> I don't understand the argument that cross breeding hurts theFjord
> breed.
It's hard to explain, without sounding religious about it. But I've come to
the realization over the years that North Americans tend to ruin
This message is from: Misty Meadows B & B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Anna - We are fjord breeders who also happen to own a fjord-morgan cross,
Heidi. (first time I have admitted this on the list:>:> ) Heidi was our first
horse, purchased for a nine year old daughter. As we learned more about fjords,
w
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In a message dated 00-03-23 03:50:30 EST, you write:
<< Yes, that was a little strong, but to say that the Fjord is better than
all
the rest, I do not think that true. >>
Thats OK Anna. Everyones wrong SOMETIMES.; )LP
This message is from: "Ron & Sherrie Dayton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To all you cross breeders out there, I say ENOUGH ALREADY! Do you really
know what you are talking about? We have been blessed with this magnificent
animal and the very idea of breeding to anything but a pure bred Fjord
should be co
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In a message dated 00-03-22 19:01:25 EST, you write:
<< The ultimate goal in breeding
anything is to produce something better in terms of conformation, movement,
and temperment. I think a Fjord stallion could better a lot of breeds of
mares. Why is
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In a message dated 00-03-22 19:01:25 EST, you write:
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Nosebands. How tight should a nose band be on a regular snaffle
bridle. Not talking drop nose bands but the regular ones. At the
stable we ride at they are very snug. Our teacher feels that it
This message is from: "Dale Sand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi list people, Chip sends this message out to everyone. He has a friend
with one of his old fjord mares who can no longer keep the horse. She has to
move & marry a guy who won't, or maybe can't, take the horse. The problem:
Selbu is 25 years o
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In a message dated 00-03-22 19:01:25 EST, you write:
<< I have known I needed to do this and been putting it off. But now I must
go ahead. I need to say goodbye to the Fjord List, at least for a while.
>>
Oh Brian ! ; ( Miss y
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