This message is from: Rose or Murph
I never used to hand feed my fjord, until like others I trained her to turn her
head away from me to get her treat. She is never, ever fed a treat if she
touches me, frisks,nips or even smells my hands. Very smart mare she learned
very quickly that turning
This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti
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This sounds so amazing! I hope I can do something like this some day!
Cindy
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This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti
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No, it's OK. I didn't say that I had had experience, so you didn't know.
(But I don't care for CA either. He's a bit rough for my tastes.)
Cindy
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This message is from: Gail Russell
If one trains using negative reinforcement (like, say, wiggling the rope or
doing one of Clinton's exercises where the stick is used to agitate the rope),
oftentimes the skill of the rope wiggler matters. I had a trainer come to pick
up two minimally traine
This message is from: Gail Russell
I do know of someone who would hold the treat in a pair of plyers. I think it
was Marsha Jo Hanna, who may still be on this list. The horse found that his
teeth got knocked if he tried to grab a treat from the plyers without being
careful.
My apologies
This message is from: Melinda
Wow, I am really lucky with my horses, fjord and non-fjord, at least in the
treat-feeding department. They are, for the most part, gentle and careful with
taking treats. On occasion my whole hand has ended up in a mouth briefly, but
never a bite taken of me.
Me
This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti
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It's not always easy to fix. Again, I totally realize that somebody else
could do better -- or at least different -- than I did; but this situation
was not easy for me to fix.
Yes, I did work with protected contact. Yes, I did use the
click-for-
This message is from: "Jo Wilgus"
I have had several different breeds in my 45 yrs of horses. Nothing and i
mean nothing comes close to a FJORD, in my opinion.
My very dear friend has a mule, she has told me straight out, her mule WILL
kill a dog.
Horses are not mean? Anyone see the movie
This message is from: Gail Russell
It is a shame that you had problems with biting. They are pretty easy to fix.
Did you try working with him in a "protected contact" situation to teach him
not to mug? If you have the right lessons and follow through, you should have
no problem. Of my se
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 17:11, Robin Churchill wrote:
> Put a novice on him and he acts like he has no idea
I have to laugh I had an Appy, highly trained, that kne
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 16:48, "ruth bushnell" wrote:
> because they are so wonderful it
> is possible to let your guard down too far. follow the same safety rules
> as
This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti
I just read this thread on COTH about mouthy horses:
http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/showthread.php?195785-flame-suit-on-yes-my-fault-but-what-was-the-horse-thinking
It scared the beejeebers out of me because my Fjord is mouthy, and he has
done so
This message is from: Robin Churchill
<"Respect" is another word that has no
meaning when applied to animals. The
behavior is either trained, or it
isn't. >
If that is the case, how do you
explain the situation when a horse is trained to do something and another
handler asks the horse to do wh
This message is from: "ruth bushnell"
> Ditto-Ditto for me Mary...I would Never have a Fjord after reading these
> ghoulish stories!! SK
>
>
on behalf of Fjords, judging by our long time close association with
them, plus experience with other breeds of horses too..
I believe that the breed
This message is from: Kathleen Prince
I was discussing the recent discussions of muleness & personalities w/
my NH trainer, who also happens to be my barn mate. We've been
dealing w/an injury to my 5 yr mare's foot, having to hose, medicate,
wrap, etc. We were talking when he was hosing her
This message is from: "Debby Stai"
Iâve really enjoyed a lot of the read, the different methods, different of
opinions. I remember my Lang hanging his head on my shoulder, when he was
ill, not well, head on my shoulder, that heavy head, and me rubbing those long
âmuleâ ears I teased him a
This message is from: S K
Ditto-Ditto for me Mary...I would Never have a Fjord after reading these
ghoulish stories!!
From: Mary Ofjord
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Friday, June 21,
2013 12:48 PM
Subject: mules & more
This mess
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I'm so glad it doesn't mean something negative.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13, ruth bushnell wrote:
From: ruth bushnell
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: head on Shoulder
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Monday, June 24, 2013, 3:40 PM
This message is from: "ruth
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
Yes I'm sure you do. It's hard though, for a person new to horses. A person
could easily mess it up, I think.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13, Me Kint wrote:
From: Me Kint
Subject: Re: NH and CT?? Mouthy?
To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com"
Date: Monday, June 24
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
:) That brings tears to my eyes.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13, Frederick Pack wrote:
From: Frederick Pack
Subject: Re: head on Shoulder
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Date: Monday, June 24, 2013, 3:51 PM
This message is from: Frederick Pack
I have had
This message is from: "ruth bushnell"
I once had a dressage trainer present when he did that and she started
having tears in her eyes. I asked her what's wrong and she said to me that
Sam moved her to the core with his obvious love for me.
Ellen.
THANKS for sharing that story, Ellen. Sure
This message is from: Frederick Pack
I have had many times, since I lost my wife, where I stopped in the middle
of a pasturedaydreaming and reminiscing (and feeling blue)...when from
behind, one of my gals would come up quietly...give me a kiss and lay their
great heads on my shoulder.ev
This message is from: sandra church
I sent Cindi a private answer then thought I should answer to the list also.
Yes, we did have clinics. Curt Pierce gave an equitation clinic, beginning
jumping clinics and a lateral movement clinic along with a Parelli student
working on her certification. T
This message is from: Robin Churchill
I understand that you are not supposed to treat if the horse mugs you or
demands a treat. I think if you like CT that's great but I think it takes
considerable skill to get the timing of it and I guess after the first couple
minutes when it's really cool, I
This message is from: Tiffany Amschl
There's a clicker training workshop in DeKalb in July. Don't know that
Patcfhes would have any interest, but we might want to check it out as
auditors anyway?
T
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Katie wrote:
> This message is from: Katie
>
>
> Hello Ever
This message is from: Robin Churchill
> All that stuff about being "herd leader" is mythology<
To that end there is an article in July Equus by
Jennifer Williams PhD who I think is an equine behaviorist about the
importance of the horse's place in the herd hierarchy as it affects
trainabili
This message is from: Julia Webb
Both my Fjord and the one I borrowed for a summer liked to do that. My girl is
an alpha, the other was usually at the bottom of the pack. Neither seemed to
escalate it, but if it is unsolicited, I usually discourage it.
Hard tho... They're so stinkin' cute wh
This message is from: Main Email
Cool! Thank you... I will follow this up. The horse is bright enough to learn
this way...the question is am I smart enuf to learn it. lol
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Lori Albrough wrote:
>This message is from: Lori Albrough
>
>
>On 6/24/13
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I don't know for sure. I may have reinforced it when asking him to "be still"
and stand by my side. If his head was above my shoulder at some point, he may
have thought that's what I was going for. He always over-does everything he
learns. He doesn't go
This message is from: laurie with
i too am enjoying this discussion about the differences in horses within the
breed, especially in the light of having recently lost Oz and getting Skylar.
when i first got on her, aside from the difference in height and width, she
felt quite different than oz
This message is from: "Curtis"
Cindy B Giovanetti wrote: "I got to go to this last year,
and it was so much fun! How many people were there this year? Did you have
clinics? I would so love to bring Oden! (We're probably 20 hours away.)"
I am not sure of the numbers, but there were a few mor
This message is from: Katie
Hello Everyone,
Since the topic of clicker training has come up, I thought you'd like to know
that Shawna Karrasch, one of the nation's top clicker trainers for horses is
coming to Northern Illinois July 22 - July 24.
Shawna has worked with Beezie Madden, Sue Blnks, A
This message is from: Linda Lottie
Fjord head on your shoulder? Did you ask him to put it there? If so, your
choice. Did he choose to put it there? I personally would not allow that.
My comfort level with my personal space is VERY critical with all of my horses.
And, as I get older I f
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
People who train wild animals with any method are idiotic, IMO. No comparison
of a horse to a killer whale. Yes CT let them train dangerous wild animals,
because it is so effective, but that doesn't mean it was a smart thing to do.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13,
This message is from: Cindy B Giovanetti
I got to go to this last year, and it was so much fun! How many people
were there this year? Did you have clinics? I would so love to bring
Oden! (We're probably 20 hours away.)
Cindy
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This message is from: Me Kint
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:53, Me Kint wrote:
> "You have to actually learn how to do CT,"
Remember Sea World uses CT. Highly skilled, knowledgeable professionals that
This message is from: Theresa Christiansen
Thanks for sharing your insight!
Theresa Christiansen
Little Rock Farm, Duvall
On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Logans - Willows Edge Farm LLC <
willowsedgef...@msn.com> wrote:
> This message is from: Logans - Willows Edge Farm LLC <
> willowsedgef.
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I wasn't saying they aren't intelligent and can't figure things out. It's
like not putting bad labels on kids and then treating them differently because
of that. Of course kids are intelligent, but if they are crabby or lazy or
belligerent, it's not reall
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
:) When I said horses were much smarter than I ever knew, maybe it's because
I started with a fjord and a mule.
Yes I'm sure all trainers aren't bad. But there are just so many horror
stories, it seems like a big risk.
When a horse puts his head on t
This message is from: Logans - Willows Edge Farm LLC
In my years of working with the Fjords, I've found them to be ridiculously
smart. Each horse has it's own personality which changes how they will learn,
but have not found a dumb one yet. :)
In our training program, we start babies at Day 1!
This message is from: Bonnie Liermann
Hello. I just wanted to tell the list about my latest adventure with my
fjord, Fair Acres Bergen.
We participated in a Wagon Train reenactment for 5 days. We traveled over
80 miles with varied trails. It started on trails in the Kettle Moraine
state park,
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On Jun 24, 2013, at 4:24, Rovena Kessinger wrote:
> "You have to actually learn how to do CT,"
You know what, this is true for NH training also. Unless you actually
This message is from: Lori Albrough
On 6/24/13 12:43 AM, divingduoandcor...@comcast.net wrote:
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BUT...I cannot feed Soph by hand or she turns into a
starving pirannha !!  I have lost pulls on vests, coats, actual pockets
I used to thi
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I know. You have to actually learn how to do CT, which most people won't do,
because it is gospel that you don't feed horses by hand. But somehow I can do
it, and a lot of other people can.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13, Robin Churchill wrote:
From: Robin Church
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I've been doing CT since I met my fjord last August.Â
--- On Sun, 6/23/13, divingduoandcor...@comcast.net
wrote:
From: divingduoandcor...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: NH and CT?? Mouthy?
To: "fjordhorse"
Date: Sunday, June 23, 2013, 11:43 PM
This messag
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
Obviously NH trains horses, but not for the reasons that the people who sell
their particular training methods say they do. People like reasons, it sells
better than, "Just do this."
There was a study published recently where they used remote-control toy c
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I've never seen them riding on each other.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13, Me Kint wrote:
From: Me Kint
Subject: Re: Disposition/intelligence
To: "Fjord List"
Date: Monday, June 24, 2013, 12:03 AM
This message is from: Me Kint
>From Mary's iPad
PLEASE REMOV
This message is from: Rovena Kessinger
I know.
--- On Mon, 6/24/13, Kim Manzoni wrote:
From: Kim Manzoni
Subject: Re: Disposition/intelligence
To: "fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com"
Date: Monday, June 24, 2013, 4:46 AM
This message is from: Kim Manzoni
We definitely have a herd leader here.
This message is from: Robin Churchill
I have the same problem. I cannot feed any of my horses by hand if I don' t
want them to start mouthing everything and eventually nipping. This includes
the warmblood. All their treats go in their feed buckets or outside feed pans.
Robin
This message is from: Kim Manzoni
We definitely have a herd leader here.
I see the hierarchy at work every
day with my 5 horses.
I imagine the only way to not see herd leadership at
work is if you keep your horses in individual paddocks.
My husband definitely
is herd leader over his horse (who
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