[Flightgear-devel] YASim fixes

2001-12-08 Thread Andy Ross
OK, there's another release ready that should fix most (all?) of the bugs reported so far. This time, it's just a tarball of the files that have changed. Drop them into your FDM/YASim directory. There are some aircraft changes as well, most of which are required for the newest code. Be sure to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external view

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Sunday 09 December 2001 12:41 am, you wrote: > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001.12.08 21:53]: > > On Saturday 08 December 2001 10:07 pm, you wrote: > > > Has anybody noted that the 3D plane model in the external view > > > disappears when we are on air? > > > > You need to adjust the pilot (camera) of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external view

2001-12-08 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2001.12.08 21:53]: > On Saturday 08 December 2001 10:07 pm, you wrote: > > Has anybody noted that the 3D plane model in the external view disappears > > when we are on air? > > > > You need to adjust the pilot (camera) offset. What's happening is you are in > the middle if t

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Norman Vine writes: > another problem is in simgear / sky / cloud.cxx > > bool SGCloudLayer::reposition( sgVec3 p, sgVec3 up, double lon, double lat, > double alt ) > { > > // now calculate update texture coordinates > if ( last_lon < -900 ) { >

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Norman Vine
Norman Vine writes >>> >>Norman Vine wrote: >>> >>> FWIW >>> MingW32 < which uses the MSoft runtime libraries > >>> is blowing up in fgInitSubsystems() >>> in globals->saveInitialState(); >>> at >>> /environment[0]/weather[0]/wind-north-mps[0] wind-north-mps = NaN >>> OK-- This ones easy to fix,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 engine adjustments

2001-12-08 Thread Andy Ross
Just in case someone is wondering, this is a definition that eluded me for a LONG time: what, exactly, is "mixture". Mixture is this: the ratio, by volume (!) of the liquid fuel and gasseous air being drawn into the cylinders. That's why it has to be adjusted with altitude -- the liquid densitie

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 engine adjustments

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Saturday 08 December 2001 10:43 pm, you wrote: > Question: > > What is the procedure for adjusting mixture with a constant speed prop > such as the 310 has? > > In the c172 I had been tweaking for max rpm and then backing off a > touch to the rich side. > > When I adjust mixture on the c310 eng

Re: [Flightgear-devel] external view

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Saturday 08 December 2001 10:07 pm, you wrote: > Has anybody noted that the 3D plane model in the external view disappears > when we are on air? > You need to adjust the pilot (camera) offset. What's happening is you are in the middle if the model looking back. I'll put some reasonable defaul

[Flightgear-devel] c310 engine adjustments

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Question: What is the procedure for adjusting mixture with a constant speed prop such as the 310 has? In the c172 I had been tweaking for max rpm and then backing off a touch to the rich side. When I adjust mixture on the c310 engines, the only guage that moves is the temp. Shouldn't the manif

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Engine start/c310

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
John Wojnaroski writes: > Hi > > Just downloaded the latest CVS. Has anyone been able to start the right engine? >could not find the/an answer going back througt the email thread. I'm having no problems with the second engine here: fgfs --aircraft=c310 Curt. -- Curtis Olson Intelligent

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Engine start/c310

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Olveyra writes: > On 2001.12.09 00:04 John Wojnaroski wrote: > > Hi > > > > Just downloaded the latest CVS. Has anyone been able to start the right > > engine? could not find the/an answer going back througt the email thread. > > > > JW > > > > Have you added the command line parameter

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Engine start/c310

2001-12-08 Thread Martin Olveyra
On 2001.12.09 00:04 John Wojnaroski wrote: > Hi > > Just downloaded the latest CVS. Has anyone been able to start the right > engine? could not find the/an answer going back througt the email thread. > > JW > Have you added the command line parameter --aero=c310 ?

[Flightgear-devel] external view

2001-12-08 Thread Martin Olveyra
Has anybody noted that the 3D plane model in the external view disappears when we are on air? ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

[Flightgear-devel] Engine start/c310

2001-12-08 Thread John Wojnaroski
Hi   Just downloaded the latest CVS. Has anyone been able to start the right engine? could not find the/an answer going back througt the email thread.   JW

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 16:34, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Andy Ross writes: > > Eventually (hopefully soon), this will be extended to support > > turbulence and wash effects at each surface. There are some > > performance worries there, though, since if each surface depends on > > the wash effects of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear with Opengc

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
CVS remembers your passwords after the first time you enter it. Look for ~/.cvspass and you'll see what it does. Curt. John Wojnaroski writes: > > You need to check out the your copy from the SF repository as your SF > > user ID, not anonymously. It sounds like that is what you did. > > > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear with Opengc

2001-12-08 Thread John Wojnaroski
> You need to check out the your copy from the SF repository as your SF > user ID, not anonymously. It sounds like that is what you did. > > > > > $ export CVS_RSH=ssh > > $ cvs -z3:ext:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs/opengc/ co opengc > > > > cvs server: Updat

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear with Opengc

2001-12-08 Thread Ross Golder
On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 23:42, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > Ross: quick question > > using the makefile.am in opengc you created I get the following > > > > make[1] *** no rule to make target 'opengc_LDFLAGS', needed by 'opengc". > > Stop. > > > > Is something missing in configure.in? Looks very si

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > Eventually (hopefully soon), this will be extended to support > turbulence and wash effects at each surface. There are some > performance worries there, though, since if each surface depends on > the wash effects of all the others you go from O(N) to O(N^2) in the > number of

[Flightgear-devel] Parse order of configs?

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
Can somebody clue me on the order in which the config files are parsed? I want to move some stuff like instrument options out of preferences.xml I also want c172-set.xml to have some utility to it. Right now it's empty. The particular order I'm interested in is where gets picked up. Is it curren

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing file in base

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Erik, It appears I forget to commit the required file to the repository, but it looks like John must have done so in my absense today. I think if you do a cvs update on the base cvs tree, the --aircraft=c172 option will now work. Curt. Erik Hofman writes: > Tony Peden wrote: > > > On Sat, 20

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear with Opengc

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
John, You need to check out the your copy from the SF repository as your SF user ID, not anonymously. It sounds like that is what you did. Regards, Curt. John Wojnaroski writes: > > > > > The source tree on opengc.org currently only builds on windows. We've > had > > > > some problems convi

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Norman Vine
Christian Mayer writes: > >Norman Vine wrote: >> >> FWIW >> MingW32 < which uses the MSoft runtime libraries > >> is blowing up in fgInitSubsystems() >> in globals->saveInitialState(); >> at >> /environment[0]/weather[0]/wind-north-mps[0] wind-north-mps = NaN >> >> >> I bet this is a problem

[Flightgear-devel] patch for fg_props.cxx

2001-12-08 Thread Ross Golder
Strange, I can't compile clean flightgear CVS without including options.hxx in fg_props.cxx. How come other people are compiling happily without this patch? -- Ross Index: src/Main/fg_props.cxx === RCS file: /var/cvs/FlightGear-

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing file in base

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Saturday 08 December 2001 10:39 am, you wrote: > Just did a fresh cvs update -dP on the base directory and still get this > message: > Are you specifying --config=c172? You shouldn't need to because it's the default case. I'm putting in a stub file for consistency, but frankly it's silly beca

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Christian Mayer
Norman Vine wrote: > > Christian Mayer writes: > > > >It would be really great if 0.8.0 - or even 0.7.9 works with MSVC. The > >compiler errors are mostly fixed by now :), but I've got still problems > >running FGFS w/o having the maths blow up during the first frame > >(happens currently with bo

Re: [3] RE: [Flightgear-devel] buildings or planes?

2001-12-08 Thread kevin
On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 10:38:48AM -, D Luff wrote: > I must say I agree with you here. I've never quite understood the > desire for amazingly detailed aircraft models with moving parts and > zillions of repaints. However, a reasonable external model is quite > useful IMHO so one can repl

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Norman Vine
Christian Mayer writes: > >It would be really great if 0.8.0 - or even 0.7.9 works with MSVC. The >compiler errors are mostly fixed by now :), but I've got still problems >running FGFS w/o having the maths blow up during the first frame >(happens currently with both, JSBsim and LaRCsim, but on dif

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 air speed indicator

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Saturday 08 December 2001 5:25 pm, you wrote: > Hi, > > This is an asi for the c310 (260knot). Let me know if any of the calibs > are wrong for the c310 (for noflaps stall, yellow, red bands, etc). > > http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/c310asi.tar.gz > > This should be extracted in the Aircraft/c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Saturday 08 December 2001 2:38 pm, you wrote: > David Findlay wrote: > > Curt Olson wrote: > > > So for instance if you want to try Andy's YASim 747 model, and check > > > out his alternate (blade element-ish) approach to modeling the flight > > > dynamics > > > > So what exactly does bla

[Flightgear-devel] c310 air speed indicator

2001-12-08 Thread Jim Wilson
Hi, This is an asi for the c310 (260knot). Let me know if any of the calibs are wrong for the c310 (for noflaps stall, yellow, red bands, etc). http://www.spiderbark.com/fgfs/c310asi.tar.gz This should be extracted in the Aircraft/c310 directory. It contains: c310-vfr-panel.xml (modified to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Andy Ross
Christian Mayer wrote: > But one other observation: I couldn't lift of with the YAsim C310 (172 > and 747 worked fine). I can accelerate and pull. The front lifts of > but i'm not gaining any altitude. Was your engine RPM stuck at 1700? There is a version skew problem with the c310.xml file.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Andy Ross
David Findlay wrote: > Curt Olson wrote: > > So for instance if you want to try Andy's YASim 747 model, and check > > out his alternate (blade element-ish) approach to modeling the flight > > dynamics > > So what exactly does blade element-ish mean? Is this sorta like a realtime > digital

Re: Including instrumenst was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 Panel

2001-12-08 Thread Andy Ross
I found the following magazine review, which I used to fix the performance of the YASim model. It's the turbo variant. http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/specs/79cessnaturbo.html Also, this site, which is a buyer's guide for the 310 family, has lots of good trivia about equipment variat

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear with Opengc

2001-12-08 Thread John Wojnaroski
> > > The source tree on opengc.org currently only builds on windows. We've had > > > some problems convincing John W's CVS to talk to SourceForge, which is why > > > there are currently two versions of the code (kingmont and sourceforge). > > So John W's CVS problem caused this? We probably ough

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing file in base

2001-12-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Tony Peden wrote: > On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 07:39, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > >>Just did a fresh cvs update -dP on the base directory and still get this >>message: >> >>Error loading aircraft file: Failed to open file >> at /home/Jon/FlightGear/Aircraft/c172-set.xml >> > > Check for and remove --fdm

[Flightgear-devel] Base and JSBSim out of sync

2001-12-08 Thread Erik Hofman
I just noticed the base package and JSBSim are out of sync. This was found after i got a core dump while starting FlightGear (I think Christian noticed the same problem). Could you sync with the latest JSBSim CVS again Curtis? Erik ___ Flight

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Missing file in base

2001-12-08 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 07:39, Jon S. Berndt wrote: > Just did a fresh cvs update -dP on the base directory and still get this > message: > > Error loading aircraft file: Failed to open file > at /home/Jon/FlightGear/Aircraft/c172-set.xml Check for and remove --fdm or --aircraft options in your .

[Flightgear-devel] Missing file in base

2001-12-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
Just did a fresh cvs update -dP on the base directory and still get this message: Error loading aircraft file: Failed to open file at /home/Jon/FlightGear/Aircraft/c172-set.xml Jon Jon Berndt Coordinator, JSBSim Project http://jsbsim.sf.net Enter BUG REPORTS at http://sf.net/tracker/?atid=119

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Jon S. Berndt
> So what exactly does blade element-ish mean? Is this sorta like a > realtime digital wind tunnel sorta thing? Thanks, Nothing of the sort. But Andy appears to have a reasonable approximation for subsonic, anyhow. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing li

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear with Opengc

2001-12-08 Thread Ross Golder
On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 01:49, John Wojnaroski wrote: > > > > The source tree on opengc.org currently only builds on windows. We've had > > some problems convincing John W's CVS to talk to SourceForge, which is why > > there are currently two versions of the code (kingmont and sourceforge). So Jo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Ross Golder
I'm planning to look into updating the autoconf stuff for OpenGC and getting it to build on my machines here, but it probably won't be for a few days. I'm bogged down in sendmail code for a mailserver upgrade this week :( -- Ross On Sat, 2001-12-08 at 00:49, Damion Shelton wrote: > Hi... > > T

Including instrumenst was: Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 Panel

2001-12-08 Thread John Check
On Saturday 08 December 2001 6:38 am, you wrote: > John Check writes: > > Yes. FWIW I did find some pix with a fair to middlin' amount of > > detail http://www.philyoder.com/ > > That's a 310R, with a longer nose, more powerful engines and (I > suspect) turbosupercharging, so there may be some m

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Christian Mayer
"Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > > Christian Mayer writes: > > I haven't tried the c172-yasim (assuming that when it doesn't work with > > JSBsim and doesn't work with LaRCsim it doesn't work at all). > > > > After I tried it it worked!! But after a few seconds (10 or so) sitting > > on the runway doin

[Flightgear-devel] Minimal HUD Ladder

2001-12-08 Thread Norman Vine
Thought that I had sent this before but after a fresh CVS up I noticed the minimal hud still had a problem $FG_ROOT / Huds / Instruments / Minimal / hudladder.xml The attached gets rid of the 'munged' rungs cruft Cheers Norman artificialhorizon 260 150 120 180 2.68 roll

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Christian Mayer writes: > I haven't tried the c172-yasim (assuming that when it doesn't work with > JSBsim and doesn't work with LaRCsim it doesn't work at all). > > After I tried it it worked!! But after a few seconds (10 or so) sitting > on the runway doing nothing it crashed (most probably the

[Flightgear-devel] OT: Building dual throttles.

2001-12-08 Thread Wolfram Kuss
I think this subject is currently OT (on topic :-)). Here is someone that built himself dualthrottles and connected them to the PC. Since its mainly about the hardware, this should be interesting to Linux people as well: http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds/main/howto/dualthr.htm Bye bye, Wolfram.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 Panel

2001-12-08 Thread David Megginson
John Check writes: > Yes. FWIW I did find some pix with a fair to middlin' amount of > detail http://www.philyoder.com/ That's a 310R, with a longer nose, more powerful engines and (I suspect) turbosupercharging, so there may be some minor differences on the panel. Nice pics, though, and a gr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] buildings or planes?

2001-12-08 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: > > You're thinking of the US. In most of Canada (outside of the big > > urban areas), they're the only big buildings around, and, once you get > > out of the southern agricultural areas, the only large clearing in the > > woods. > > Really ?! I've been wanting to spen

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Christian Mayer
Erik Hofman wrote: > > Christian Mayer wrote: > > > It would be really great if 0.8.0 - or even 0.7.9 works with MSVC. The > > compiler errors are mostly fixed by now :), but I've got still problems > > running FGFS w/o having the maths blow up during the first frame > > (happens currently with

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Christian Mayer wrote: > It would be really great if 0.8.0 - or even 0.7.9 works with MSVC. The > compiler errors are mostly fixed by now :), but I've got still problems > running FGFS w/o having the maths blow up during the first frame > (happens currently with both, JSBsim and LaRCsim, but on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Christian Mayer
Erik Hofman wrote: > > Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > priority, but are things an average person will immediately notice and > > ding us for) then I would be tempted to roll out the 0.7.9 release > > soon. (I'm thinking specifically of the startup-onground sinking into > > the ground and spinning

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Christian Mayer
Alex Perry wrote: > > > C'mon -- we deserve an 0.8.0 for all this. > > Yeah, but 0.7.9 is the version we release that only works for the developers. > Then, when everybody else explains why it doesn't work for them, we do 0.8.0 > > 8-) > > Another viewpoint is we stabilize the interfaces for 0

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread Erik Hofman
Curtis L. Olson wrote: priority, but are things an average person will immediately notice and > ding us for) then I would be tempted to roll out the 0.7.9 release > soon. (I'm thinking specifically of the startup-onground sinking into > the ground and spinning slowly bug in JSBSim and the accel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] c310 Panel

2001-12-08 Thread Erik Hofman
John Wojnaroski wrote: >>This is about as ugly as it gets. This will go on your permanent >>record. :-) :-) :-) >> >> > Argggh, banished to the netherworld... I should have realized that! :-0 There's nothing wrong with the netherw.. oh, you did'nt say Netherlands. Pfew. :-) Erik ___

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Starting up flightgear.

2001-12-08 Thread David Findlay
On Sat, 8 Dec 2001 07:15, you wrote: > So for instance if you want to try Andy's YASim 747 model, and check > out his alternate (blade element-ish) approach to modeling the flight > dynamics, just run "fgfs --aircraft=747-yasim" and you'll get the > right fdm code, and the right aerodynamics confi