RE: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Wright flyer wing warping (Jim Wilson)

2002-10-18 Thread Richard Bytheway
According to this site http://www.libraries.wright.edu/special/1903/construction_photos.htm (about halfway down), the fabric of the wings was structurally significant. Quote: Over 8,000 stitches were hand sewn by the volunteers. Howard DuFour Project Director, remarked, It's

[Flightgear-devel] Re: Wright flyer wing warping (Jim Wilson)

2002-10-18 Thread Marcel Wittebrood
Sorry, I made a mistake, I contour plotted the beam bending moment in the last mail and wrote some nonsense to talk the large deflection value straight.:-)) This picture is probably correct (at least better than the previous one) Only 6.011 mm at the back spar tip, 0.8 mm

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright Flyer

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: I was actualyl joking, but now you come to mention it, it probably would have been quite handy for them keeping the wing level :-) I know, so was I ;-) They did have some instrumentation though. Here's an annotation from Orville's book: Just for the record, a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Martin Spott writes: but in reality not every airport _has_ lightning. Mybe it would be appropriate to stick to the information on airport lightning that is present in the airport database, It's already there. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
John Check writes: If you want to fly this yourself, you can grab: http://www.flightgear.org/tmp/KSFO.btg.gz Does anybody have a copy or a proper link? it seems to be 404. My fault, didn't push my change out to the web server ... Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Martin Spott writes: Curt, No one commented on my last runway lights message so I figured I'd send some more picts of the latest: Yesterday night it was simply too late to give appropriate comment I am _really_ amazed. In my eyes this this is the most valuable visual feature in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Wright flyer wing warping

2002-10-18 Thread Jim Wilson
Very interesting, but from the photos there seems to be much more movement than that. Are you sure you are scaled correctly? Also remember that Orville claims the leading edges stayed parallel (although I suppose at 0.8mm it'd be hard to tell). Best, Jim Marcel Wittebrood [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Elite Simulator

2002-10-18 Thread Alex Perry
I spent most of the time practicing holding patterns. I'm still trying to decide whether to love or hate them: I'll write a tutorial for sim users some day if anyone is interested. I understand that ATC almost never uses holds any more A lot of approach plates, needing a course reversal,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Elite Simulator

2002-10-18 Thread Alex Perry
Once we get full approach lighting implimented it's going to be hard to find significant reasons not to do a 1.0 release ... Instructor console, intuitive enough that non-software-engineers can operate it without being trained by someone already familiar with it. But that's about it.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-18 Thread Alex Perry
Christian (and others): The purpose of my two bits of text, which you quoted, was to formally state on the mailing list what _my_ policy is for _this_ project. I was not trying to tell anybody else how their patches/code should be treated ... I wrote the message to avoid putting GPL

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Elite Simulator

2002-10-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Alex Perry writes: Once we get full approach lighting implimented it's going to be hard to find significant reasons not to do a 1.0 release ... Instructor console, intuitive enough that non-software-engineers can operate it without being trained by someone already familiar with it. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Our world (once I finishe with the other lighting schemes, and once it's regenerated) will be as close to reality as our database allows. Have you patched TerraGear to eliminate runway edge lights for unlighted runways? All the best, David -- David Megginson,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: Our world (once I finishe with the other lighting schemes, and once it's regenerated) will be as close to reality as our database allows. Have you patched TerraGear to eliminate runway edge lights for unlighted runways? Well, patched

[Flightgear-devel] Change in runway type...

2002-10-18 Thread Fabien ILLIDE
Hi, Sorry if I'm oftopic. Well, I don't know if it has be solved in 0.8.0 cause I still haven't install it on my new Gentoo GNU/Linux. With previous version of FGFS on Mandrake GNU/Linux, on the airport of my home-little-french-town, there was a runway still in grass, and it's in hard since

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Elite Simulator

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: A lot of approach plates, needing a course reversal, either use a procedure turn or a hold. The former is easier, but needs a depicted hold somewhere else in most cases, the latter. Thus, I've been given radar vector, direct to navaid when able, then hold, efc for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Elite Simulator

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: Instructor console, intuitive enough that non-software-engineers can operate it without being trained by someone already familiar with it. But that's about it. Course plotting should be part of that. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Frederic BOUVIER
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : David Megginson writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: Our world (once I finishe with the other lighting schemes, and once it's regenerated) will be as close to reality as our database allows. Have you patched TerraGear to eliminate runway

re: [Flightgear-devel] Change in runway type...

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Fabien ILLIDE writes: _My question is_ : how modify this ? (or : where to ask such questions) The easy part is to edit the entry in $FG_ROOT/Airports/default.apt.gz. The hard part is to regenerate the scenery for that tile. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Licensing issues

2002-10-18 Thread Brandon Bergren
Erik Hofman wrote: Okay, here's my view. I've spent numurous hours of work into FlightGear (sometimes even almost as a day job) not only for the fun of it, but also because it's Free (for everyone). The fun would stop for me if I noticed my work ens up in a commercial application as an easy

[Flightgear-devel] Panel font crash

2002-10-18 Thread Andy Ross
I grabbed current CVS last night for the first time in a while, and got bitten by a bug with the 3D panel support. Has anyone else noticed this? What happens is that on an aircraft with no 2D panel at all (a4, c172-3d, but oddly not the j3cub), the sim crashes at startup. The first problem was

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Frederic BOUVIER writes: There are airports that have intermitent, remotely switchable with onboard radio, lighting. When you arrive in the vicinity of such an airport, you push (sorry, lack of english vocabulary here) say 7 times in 5 seconds on the radio button to switch it on. It

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Elite Simulator

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: I get the impression that the US intends to transition from NDB/VOR service to VOR/GPS service, in which case the GPS will fulfil all the roles of the NDB in the above list, allowing NDBs to be shut down. I noticed that between a Canada Air Pilot (Ontario) from 2000

re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel font crash

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: The attached one-liner fixes the problem, but someone with more knowlege should probably think of a better solution. We shouldn't be initializing static state from within a member initializer. Maybe there's a need for a panel subsystem as separate from the individual

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
John Check writes: On Friday 18 October 2002 8:35 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: John Check writes: If you want to fly this yourself, you can grab: http://www.flightgear.org/tmp/KSFO.btg.gz Does anybody have a copy or a proper link? it seems to be 404. My fault, didn't push

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Yes, we have CAL and CAL-II in the database, but no ARCAL. ARCAL describes how the lights are activated, not their configuration; presumably, Calvert I and Calvert II approach lighting systems could be ARCAL, but since those are used (I think) mainly at military

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Panel font crash

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
Andy Ross writes: I continue to believe that a 2D panel layout is an easier problem for cockpit wonks to deal with than a 3D modelling application is, FWIW. Some instruments, like the gyro ball, really are inherently 3D and can't be easily placed on a 2D panel. But pretty much everything

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I would also like to add the ability to turn runway/approach lighting on/off from the instructor station (i.e. tower control). But that's step n+1 assuming I'm working on step n right now. Curt. David Megginson writes: Curtis L. Olson writes: Yes, we have CAL and CAL-II in the database,

[Flightgear-devel] Boeing Unveils Bird of Prey Stealth Technology Demonstrator

2002-10-18 Thread Norman Vine
FYI http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2002/q4/nr_021018m.html ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel

RE: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread Jon Berndt
John Check writes: Curt, What do you think about tossing this in the base package? Just wondering That's fine, although it's not elevated and has large gaps where it meets the surround terrain ... CUrt. John: Are you going to go ahead with this? When it gets in the base package (you

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Wright flyer wing warping (Jim Wilson)

2002-10-18 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 10:37:45 +0200, Marcel Wittebrood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dear Jim, We made a FEM model of the outboard wing to investigate the shape when ..fem model, cool, url? warping (see attached pict). I applied 40 N to the model and it warps

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread John Check
On Friday 18 October 2002 7:13 pm, Jon Berndt wrote: John Check writes: Curt, What do you think about tossing this in the base package? Just wondering That's fine, although it's not elevated and has large gaps where it meets the surround terrain ... The last time we had KSFO

Re: [Flightgear-devel] runway lighting

2002-10-18 Thread David Megginson
John Check writes: The last time we had KSFO with lights in there it had some problems too. I think it's worth the tradeoff but if you think it's going to break anything I can hold off. I'd prefer to put in a complete rebuild from William Riley if he has time to redo the base package.