Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 19:24, John Check wrote: > On Tuesday 10 December 2002 4:22 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > > > You could also imagine that something downstream of this central > > transmission could fail, again leaving you in an unhealthy state. I > > "unhealthy state" you guys crack me up.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread John Check
On Tuesday 10 December 2002 4:22 pm, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > You could also imagine that something downstream of this central > transmission could fail, again leaving you in an unhealthy state. I "unhealthy state" you guys crack me up. Sounds more like brown trousers time to me ;-) > agree w

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Jon S Berndt
On 10 Dec 2002 15:37:08 -0800 Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 15:27, Jon S Berndt wrote: I don't know ... I was thinking the other day: what if the ... Curt, I apologize for even beginning to suggest that you were stacking things up ... Hey! It could happen! :-

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jon S Berndt writes: > On 10 Dec 2002 15:18:48 -0800 > Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I don't know ... it sound like you are really starting to > >stack up the failures. > > I don't know ... I was thinking the other day: what if the > pilot was pouring a can of Coke into a cup on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 15:27, Jon S Berndt wrote: > On 10 Dec 2002 15:18:48 -0800 > Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >I don't know ... it sound like you are really starting to > >stack up the failures. > > I don't know ... I was thinking the other day: what if the > pilot was pouring

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Jon S Berndt
On 10 Dec 2002 15:18:48 -0800 Tony Peden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I don't know ... it sound like you are really starting to stack up the failures. I don't know ... I was thinking the other day: what if the pilot was pouring a can of Coke into a cup on the flight deck and dropped the can an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2002-12-10 at 13:22, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Gene Buckle writes: > > > I think the big danger is at landing or takeoff. If you lose an > > > engine or have any sort of mechanical failure on a single side, you > > > are going to hit hard at some really odd angle. At least with a > > > hel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Gene Buckle writes: > Well one of my favorite quotes goes something like this: > > "If your wings are moving faster than you are, you're in a Helicopter and > are therefore unsafe." :) I suppose the related quote would be something along the lines of "If your wings are moving slower than you, the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Gene Buckle
> > Curt, there is a central transmission in the wing that will transfer the > > drive to the operating engine automatically so that won't happen. If they > > both fail at once though > > You could also imagine that something downstream of this central > transmission could fail, again leaving

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:22:05 -0600 "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: a helicopter, or perhaps you could say that certain types of failures at certain times would be less survivable in the BA-609 This (above) might be more true than your first statement. One thing that comes to my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Gene Buckle writes: > > I think the big danger is at landing or takeoff. If you lose an > > engine or have any sort of mechanical failure on a single side, you > > are going to hit hard at some really odd angle. At least with a > > helicopter you are probably going to land butt first and might ha

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Gene Buckle
> I think the big danger is at landing or takeoff. If you lose an > engine or have any sort of mechanical failure on a single side, you > are going to hit hard at some really odd angle. At least with a > helicopter you are probably going to land butt first and might have a > chance to try an auto

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Gene Buckle
> It sounds like avoiding the "vortex ring state" is doable but will > likely require a fair amount of training (and possibly some control law > mods) > Speaking of which - a recent issue of Aviation Leak that I have mentions that they've been unable to properly account for/simulate the VRS in the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:09:03 -0600 "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think the big danger is at landing or takeoff. If you lose an engine or have any sort of mechanical failure on a single side, you are going to hit hard at some really odd angle. At least with a helicopter you are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Tony Peden writes: > > --- Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmmmthat should thin the ranks down on Wall St even more. It's > > hard to > > imagine they are selling civilian versions while there's talk about > > nixing the > > Osprey because of safety concerns. Well maybe not that

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Tony Peden
--- Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hmmmthat should thin the ranks down on Wall St even more. It's > hard to > imagine they are selling civilian versions while there's talk about > nixing the > Osprey because of safety concerns. Well maybe not that hard. IMHO > that thing > even "

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Jim Wilson wrote: Hmmmthat should thin the ranks down on Wall St even more. It's hard to imagine they are selling civilian versions while there's talk about nixing the Osprey because of safety concerns. Well maybe not that hard. IMHO that thing even "looks" dangerous :-) It looks like a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Hmmmthat should thin the ranks down on Wall St even more. It's hard to imagine they are selling civilian versions while there's talk about nixing the Osprey because of safety concerns. Well maybe not that hard. IMHO that thing even "looks" dangerous :-) Best, Jim Jon S Berndt <[EMAIL P

[Flightgear-devel] [OT] BA-609, V-22 derivative aircraft

2002-12-10 Thread Jon S Berndt
Bell/Agusta V-22 derivative commercial BA609: http://www.bellagusta.com/html/aeroNet/downLoads/20393_609_AB_Brochure.pdf Fascinating. Pretty pictures, too. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/list

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Auto Pilot probs in 0.9.1

2002-12-10 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: > Right...temporary. This just points up the need to get a fully > configurable autopilot running. If there isn't a DG you can't > really follow heading. So the j3-cub should not even have an > autopilot without it. I wonder if anyone has ever STC'd some kind of autopilot

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Auto Pilot probs in 0.9.1

2002-12-10 Thread Jim Wilson
Norman Vine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jim Wilson wrrites: > > > > It isn't a YASim problem, other than those are the aircraft that don't have DG > > installed. > > Here is a temporary *patch* > > This also reactivates the autopilot adjuster :-) > Right...temporary. This just points up the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Segmentation fault ?

2002-12-10 Thread Simon Fowler
On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 07:56:19AM -0500, Norman Vine wrote: > Adam wrote: > > > Is there an easy way to fix this then? I didn't turn on the > > clouds3d stuff at all - so it in my download it must be on by > > default - I will try with it turned off. > > > Sorry for being a bit of a newb here,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Auto Pilot probs in 0.9.1

2002-12-10 Thread Norman Vine
Jim Wilson wrrites: > > It isn't a YASim problem, other than those are the aircraft that don't have DG > installed. Here is a temporary *patch* This also reactivates the autopilot adjuster :-) Norman diffs Description: Binary data

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Segmentation fault ?

2002-12-10 Thread Norman Vine
Adam wrote: > Is there an easy way to fix this then? I didn't turn on the > clouds3d stuff at all - so it in my download it must be on by > default - I will try with it turned off. > Sorry for being a bit of a newb here, but can you offer more > advice about how to implement Norman's new code?