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est it against.
Another good way to take the controls out of it are with the Dutch roll
and phugoid characteristics. Once the initial rudder and elevator
inputs, respectively, are complete the aircraft response should be about
the same.
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A very late Saturday night?
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> investigation by Tony Peden and will hopefully traverse it's way from JSBSim
> cvs to FlightGear cvs wthin the next few days/weeks.
It's in JSBSim CVS now, just ne
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> Luca Masera wrote:
> > about YASim: in which units is measured the oil pressure?
> > In JSBSim the value is holded by "oil-pressure-psi" and it's
> > measured in psi; in YASim is holded by "epr" but the units
> > are missing.
>
> Er, that's an Engine Pre
ith the CG - even though the CG moves during flight.
or put another way, it could be put at one location of the cg, the
origin of the structural frame does not move with the cg.
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> > Jon S Berndt wrote:
> >
> >> They are not now expected to be in any particular order, nor are
> they
> >> given specific names. The layout is somewhat free form. A
> questions
> >> is, how do you set up the gear model to suppor
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 19:32, Andy Ross wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
> > ATCdisplay.cxx:75: `gluOrtho2D' undeclared
>
> This is a GLU function, not a glut one, so the appropriate header
> to include should be . Including glut.h works
> presumably because it pulls in GL.h
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> Tony Peden wrote:
> > I'm running RH9 and have found the need to add
> > #include FG_GLUT_H
> >
> > to
> > src/ATC/ATCdisplay.cxx
> > src/Cockpit/cockpit.cxx
> > src/Cockpit/panel.cxx
>
> It s
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 17:53, Tony Peden wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 15:08, David Luff wrote:
> > Tony Peden writes:
> >
> > > On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 18:14, Andy Ross wrote:
> > > > Tony Peden wrote:
> > > > > I'm running RH9 and
t arise.
>
> This would also mean that flightgear cannot just set the agl of an aircraft in
> the FDM. If flightgear wants to do that, it has to compute the altitude and
> set that instead.
>
> greetings
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On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 07:32, Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
> On Montag, 5. April 2004 16:26, Tony Peden wrote:
> > --- Mathias Fröhlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Montag, 5. April 2004 16:02, Tony Peden wrote:
> > > > The trimming routine is not the prob
mount of, spring tension.
>
> 4) Therefore, to reset the airplane at the runway, a JSBSim airplane must be
> allowed to run through the same trimming routine it does at start-up. No
> shortcuts are allowed.
>
Yep.
See, just one. ;-)
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configs. As much as I'd hate to see it stop getting used, maybe the
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On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 15:08, David Luff wrote:
> Tony Peden writes:
>
> > On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 18:14, Andy Ross wrote:
> > > Tony Peden wrote:
> > > > I'm running RH9 and have found the need to add
> > > > #include FG_GLUT_H
> > > >
On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 18:14, Andy Ross wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
> > I'm running RH9 and have found the need to add
> > #include FG_GLUT_H
> >
> > to
> > src/ATC/ATCdisplay.cxx
> > src/Cockpit/cockpit.cxx
> > src/Cockpit/panel.cxx
>
> It s
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> Andy Ross said:
>
> > Jim Wilson wrote:
> > > What JSBSim does that YASim does not is if the aircraft is a
> little
> > > too close to the ground at initialization JSBSim hurls the thing
> up in
> > > the air. Why is it that only JSBSim reacts by flipp
--- Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony Peden said:
>
> >
> > The trimming routine is not the problem.
> >
> > Jim W. said it himself, the behavior changes when - is set as
> the
> > altitude. Well, the only place such logic exist
--- Mathias Fröhlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Montag, 5. April 2004 16:02, Tony Peden wrote:
> > The trimming routine is not the problem.
> Hey, it is not. The problem is that JSBSim relys on a property which
> is set in
> a different way on start than on res
--- Mathias Fröhlich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Montag, 5. April 2004 14:12, Jim Wilson wrote:
> > This sounds like it might be excessive. We should continue to
> model
> > instrumentation in flightgear.
> Fine.
> > Nothing more on this is needed from the FDM
> > (we should only be tran
--- Jon Berndt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I may be a little slow (monday morning here), but that does not
> tell me
> > anything. We are talking about agl not the center of gravity.
> > Is that the confusion?
>
> I'm not sure, but let me jump in here with a somewhat related
> comment. Like
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> Does anyone have a formula handy for calculating the flight path of
> an
> aircraft in true degrees (direction of travel as opposed to the
> airframe
> heading)? My guess is that it'd be a matter of doing something with
> the
> lon/lat from the previous
hen, the origins vary from airplane to
airplane.
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is a bad system, I'm just not
> sure I agree it
> is an industry standard...
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at the model will appear to rotate around the CG, just like it should
(in free air, at least. On the ground is a different thing)
>
> Takeoffs and landings would look fine, etc.
>
> Jon
>
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of the stall in
> the real aicraft, the good engine would definitely dictate the direction of
> the spin. I find in the yasim model, the aircraft can stall/spin into the
> good engine about as easily as the other way.
>
> In both cases it's probably just the models that need tweaking, but in
> their current form, I don't think they are very useful for engine out training.
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On Sat, 2004-01-31 at 08:48, Mathias Fröhlich wrote:
> On Samstag, 31. Januar 2004 16:41, Tony Peden wrote:
> > I certainly do agree that selectable units would be nice to have, but it
> > would double the property tree memory requirements (since each property
> > would then
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hould be left
> to a computer ...
> :)
All coefficients must be in consistent units (generally those of force)
after the multipliers are applied, so I see no advantage here. There
is no formal requirement for this since JSBSim does not attempt to
assure unit consistency but it&#x
the nose point is the only thing and nothing
> else matters. That adjustment is just as critical to the alignment of the
> systems as the initial point. It takes both, the nose point isn't 'it' like
> some of you have tried to imply. There was something else to your
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 18:31, Alan King wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
>
> >
> > Once the wheels are off the ground, the center of gravity is the point
> > about which the aircraft rotates. It does not rotate around the aero
> > center or any other point.
>
>
l model are really
> matching. What else is FG doing to put them in the same place?
Nothing at all. It's not needed.
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del. That's why weight and balance calculations are relative to it
> instead of where the starting CG was. The starting CG is used in the
> calculations, along with it's moment arm from COL. There are less translation
> adjustments if you reference everything from that point.
>
> Al
e center point in 3D than be flying from the nose and have
> to deal with it's extra motions that often don't agree with the direction the
> aircraft is actually moving. I can fly by the nose quite well too. But it's
> easy to see it moves around the true center like ma
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> Correct?
Yes, yes, yes!
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nterpolated from zero to 5.0. Between 60 knots and
> 220 knots the gain is interpolated from 5.0 to 3.0. I recommend this
> component be turned off at low speeds, otherwise it will fight a crosswind
> even when the airplane is stationary.
>
> The outputs of the yaw damper and
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> Tony Peden wrote:
>
> > Airliners aren't that sluggish ... the flare is initiated below 50 ft
> > AGL and that is definitely over the runway.
>
> I guess that brings us back to the old discussion about round-out
but I think I've seen that Lee has used it for this kind of
> applicaiton.
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Inertia is a player, but most aircraft do not have large roll moments of
inertia .. the mass tends to be concentrated close to the roll axis.
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> > Wow Fred! It's been a while since I tried the A320. That's a
> fantastic
> > model, and the gear door sequencing looks great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> It is still missing the speedbrakes, slat and reverse.
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> decide whether to initialize based on the airport, etc.
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> > are you using and does sound work for you normally?
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> Try windows ?
Windows brings it's own set of problems, does it not?
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> On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:27, Matevz Jekovec wrote:
> > Tony Peden wrote:
> >
> > >Over the past couple of weeks, I've been having problems with the sound
> > >in FG. I get this message:
> > >slDSP:
On Sun, 2003-09-14 at 09:27, Matevz Jekovec wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
>
> >Over the past couple of weeks, I've been having problems with the sound
> >in FG. I get this message:
> >slDSP: getBufferInfo: Broken pipe
> >on the terminal and lose the sound altoget
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--- David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tony Peden writes:
>
> > I don't know, maybe it's just me but I've written a lot of perl I
> > couldn't read a month later ...
>
> You just haven't rewired your brain chemistry yet. Afte
On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 17:06, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
> Tony Peden writes:
> > On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 15:17, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
> > > Jon S Berndt writes:
> > > > Which is better:
> > > >
> > > > awk
> > > > gawk
> > &g
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> of an input stream.)
>
> I'd recommend learning perl or python or both as replacements. :-)
I concur. Use python if you want someone else to be able to read it.
>
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We give the altimeter setting primarily in inHg,
> but the METAR includes the hPa setting in comments.
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On Sun, 2003-08-31 at 09:22, Tony Peden wrote:
> Resets on the ground with JSBSim generally result in the c172 upside
> down on the ground. This is due to the trimming routine attempting to
> trim the aircraft for an in-air condition. This behavior is controlled
> by the /sim/pres
se {
fgSetBool("/sim/presets/onground", true);
}
IIRC, that's there for LaRCSim/UIUC. Does anyone know if it's still
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> On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:19, Tony Peden wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:08, David Megginson wrote:
> > > Matthew Johnson writes:
> > >
> > > > Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial air
t;
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> > because of a few individuals who don't know their responsibilities and bring
> > bombs aboard, we shouldn't have all these security people around? Mind you, a
> > recent slashdot article showed that the sobig viru
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 22:22, Russell Suter wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 19:12, Russell Suter wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Tony Peden wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 09:54, Christopher S H
On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 19:12, Russell Suter wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 09:54, Christopher S Horler wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Can anyone tell me the largest a/c that can operate from an a/c carrier?
> >>
> >>
> >
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n ops. Is that how you do this ?
>
> It'd be nice if we had a tutorial (like those of the blender community)
> of how to make a visual model for flightgear using blender.
>
> Any help is appreciated.
>
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>
> > Is Arnold not a citizen?
> >
> > "No person except a natural born citizen,
>
> He is not a natural-born citizen.
>
> > or a citizen of the United States, at the ti
sident within the United
States."
>
>
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>
>
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> > elect him (nor me ;-) ) president of the US. ;-)
> >
> >
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> only seven engines.
Landing in a twin with one engine out is not terribly challenging, so
I'd expect that on 7/8 it's not a big deal at all.
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On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 05:19, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
> Tony Peden wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-07-24 at 04:17, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
> > > Could you explain the syntax of the part in the jsbsim config file :
> > >
> > >
> > >INPUT
--- David Culp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >INPUTfcs/flap-cmd-norm
> > >DETENTS 9
> > > 00
> > > 14
> > > 24
> > > 53
> > >
PUT fcs/flap-pos-deg
>
>
> What is the second column ? I guess the first is the flap defection.
It's the time required to transition between detents.
>
> -Fred
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> On Sat, 2003-07-19 at 14:04, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > Am Samstag, 19. Juli 2003 22:21 schrieb Christopher S Horler:
> > > > This sometimes happens when I reset - I can't reproduc
> ground trim code seems to have changed
I did make some changes, but they don't appear to be the problem. It's
wanting to do an in-air trim following the reset even though it's on the
ground.
>
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On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 18:37, Wendell Turner wrote:
> Tony Penden writes:
> > On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 10:28, Tony Peden wrote:
> > > --- David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Wendell Turner writes:
> > > >
> > > > &
On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 10:28, Tony Peden wrote:
> --- David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Wendell Turner writes:
> >
> > > I use fgfs to practice instrument approaches, starting with
> > > the aircraft positioned just outside the IAF. However,
t; inbound implying a 135 heading.
When I first wrote that --offset code, you could do this, though not
with that notation. --offset-distance=8 and --offset-azimuth=315 would,
I believe, get you what you want.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> Tony Peden wrote:
>
> > --- Davi
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> Wendell Turner writes:
>
> > I use fgfs to practice instrument approaches, starting with
> > the aircraft positioned just outside the IAF. However, in
> > 0.9.2, the --offset-distance doesn't seem to work.
>
> Curt has offset-distance set up r
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 18:32, Norman Vine wrote:
> Tony Peden writes:
> > On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 17:43, Norman Vine wrote:
> > > Tony Peden writes:
> >
> > > > The implementation of the c172 in JSBSim is such that the elevator
> > > > *does* m
On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 17:43, Norman Vine wrote:
> Tony Peden writes:
> > On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 16:50, David Megginson wrote:
> > > Norman Vine writes:
> > >
> > > > Try flying with the HUD not the Panel and engage the AP when
> > > > at cruisi
life, changing the trim actually causes the elevator or
> stabilator to move -- our summing up of the two is simply a kludge.
The implementation of the c172 in JSBSim is such that the elevator
*does* move. It just doesn't feedback into the elevator command that's
displaye
really matter ... you are still going to run into the same
problems when the autopilot disconnects.
>
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and not the ETC.
Depends on the aircraft. If you can get the rate from the trim, why not
use it?
>
> But as I have said I could easily be all 'wet'
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On Sun, 2003-06-08 at 09:26, Norman Vine wrote:
> Tony Peden writes:
> >
> > Also there is one real practical problem with "resetting" the trim:
> > trim systems tend to be fairly low rate devices, so returning them to
> > some "safe" position c
ms tend to be fairly low rate devices, so returning them to
some "safe" position could actually take some time, say 10-20 seconds.
>
> (1) the neutral state being the 'preset' elevator position normally used
> for level flight
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On Sun, 2003-06-01 at 13:51, David Megginson wrote:
> Jim Wilson writes:
>
> > > I don't speak Netherlandic
> >
> > How about dutch? ;-)
>
> I'm pretty sure that the language is called "Neanderthal", actually.
Trouble. ;-)
>
camera, dirty windows, hazy air, and a need to
> concentrate on flying the plane (I didn't usually look through the
> viewfinder):
>
> http://www.megginson.com/private/2003-05-28-soo-trip/
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> All the best,
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and
ATC should always agree since ATC is getting the altitude from your
aircraft.
> (also adjusted for the altimeter setting), but my GPS consistently
> showed me just over 6150 feet for two hours.
>
> There are special rules for flying in cold temperatures over the
> mountains, esp
ould be
> a better name since this is often the most frequently used character
> in the WhiteSpace language.
>
> We'll have to keep on eye on the development of this language. If
> nothing else we could use it as our default
; > choose one or the other.
>
> Stick with switches, I expect more switches will be available that are
> non lighting related.
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t; >false
> > >0
> > >/position/latitude-deg
> > >/position/longitude-deg
> > >/position/altitude-ft
> > >
> > /orientation/Gamma_horiz_deg
> > >
> > > Frankly, I think this should be
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--- Major A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > A pilot familiar with that plane is almost certainly going to
> find it
> > > very unstable in the pitch axis, and complain that the nose
> bounces up
> > > and down too much. In the real plane, the dynamic pressure from
> the
> > > relative wind te
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