Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-13 Thread David Megginson
On 09/11/2007, David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ... f there are general objections (from DC-3 users?) I can > swap the two around so that tailwheel lock goes back to 'l'. > > Let me know what you think. There doesn't seem to be a consensus around the change, so I've reverted keyboard.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Willie Fleming -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > OK I _WANT_ turbine start/shutdown assigned to t/T and carb > heat assigned to 'h' toggle heat on/off and I _WANT_ time > warp reassigned to a menu item :-) Of course you have to offer solutions for the keys that you want replaced. h is the HUD. An

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis Olson -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > I don't disagree with any of this, timewarp probably doesn't deserve it's > own pair of keystrokes. I use this often and definitely want a key for it. Only 't' seems a bit too wasteful and dangerous. (But I can also make my own local key definition for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Durk Talsma
On Sunday 11 November 2007 19:07, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Melchior FRANZ -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > > Just press the t-key longer than a second. :-) > > That doesn't mean that I want to keep warp on the t-key. > I also find that these "unrealistic" development functions > shouldn't waste the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Curtis Olson
On Nov 11, 2007 12:30 PM, Willie Fleming <> wrote: > OK I _WANT_ turbine start/shutdown assigned to t/T and carb heat assigned > to 'h' toggle heat on/off and I _WANT_ time warp reassigned to a menu > item :-) > I don't disagree with any of this, timewarp probably doesn't deserve it's own pair

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Willie Fleming schrieb: > OK I _WANT_ turbine start/shutdown assigned to t/T and carb heat assigned > to 'h' toggle heat on/off and I _WANT_ time warp reassigned to a menu > item :-) > > Reasoning behind the toggle - for proper use of the carb heat you want to > have > it on for 30-60 secs i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Willie Fleming
On Sunday 11 November 2007 18:07:24 Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Melchior FRANZ -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > > Just press the t-key longer than a second. :-) > > That doesn't mean that I want to keep warp on the t-key. > I also find that these "unrealistic" development functions > shouldn't waste th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:06:14 +0100 Georg Vollnhals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Melchior FRANZ schrieb: > > * Georg Vollnhals -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > > > >> I can only agree as the accidentally time-warping by > >> blind-typing on the keyboard (and missing ..) was a nuisance for me > >> s

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread
On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:06:42 +0100 Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Syd&Sandy -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > > Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ctrl-l ... liveries (l for liveries is a bit exaggerated, anyway) > > > Im not sure what you mean by exaggerated , > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > Just press the t-key longer than a second. :-) That doesn't mean that I want to keep warp on the t-key. I also find that these "unrealistic" development functions shouldn't waste the "good" keys. I also find that the r (replay) key is much too expose

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: > * Georg Vollnhals -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > >> I can only agree as the accidentally time-warping by >> blind-typing on the keyboard (and missing ..) was a nuisance for me >> several times. And to be honest, I do not know until now how to set it >> to the normal valu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Georg Vollnhals -- Sunday 11 November 2007: > I can only agree as the accidentally time-warping by > blind-typing on the keyboard (and missing ..) was a nuisance for me > several times. And to be honest, I do not know until now how to set it > to the normal value back with one keystroke. Just pr

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Georg Vollnhals
Willie Fleming schrieb: > While you are re-assigning keys, can I suggest that we remove t/T for the > time-warp and reassign that to either a ctrl combo or a menu item. > It doesnt strike me that this is a function thats needed in a hurry like a > flight control or switch. > Possibly ''t and its

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Willie Fleming
While you are re-assigning keys, can I suggest that we remove t/T for the time-warp and reassign that to either a ctrl combo or a menu item. It doesnt strike me that this is a function thats needed in a hurry like a flight control or switch. Possibly ''t and its friends could get re-assigned to t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Syd&Sandy -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ctrl-l ... liveries (l for liveries is a bit exaggerated, anyway) > Im not sure what you mean by exaggerated , Keys that don't require you to also press a modifier key are (very obviously) easier to acce

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread David Megginson
On 10/11/2007, dave perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just looked at the changes in cvs. There is a significant problem > with at least this implementation of one "key" to turn on all the lights > for all AC. There is no standard followed for how to implement nasal > electrical systems. The

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread dave perry
David Megginson wrote: > Switches are hard to find, especially (a) if you're not a real pilot, > or (b) if you're not familiar with the aircraft. A single key to turn > on all the lights can be very useful for a new user, or even for an > experienced user who just wants to fly at night and doesn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:59:58 +0100 Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > l ... lights (though most are operated via 3D cockpit switches!) > L ... tail wheel lock > Ctrl-l ... liveries (l for liveries is a bit exaggerated, anyway) > > m. > Im not sure what you mean

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread Anders Gidenstam
On Sat, 10 Nov 2007, David Megginson wrote: > So, in summary, I think a single switch to turn on all required > interior and exterior lights for night flying can be a big win for > FlightGear. That sounds reasonable. But maybe a menu entry or setup dialog would be better for this - after all it

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread David Megginson
On 10/11/2007, gerard robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A stupid question: > > Why is it necessary to have a key for lights, isn't it a cockpit feature with > hotspot, and switch ? Switches are hard to find, especially (a) if you're not a real pilot, or (b) if you're not familiar with the aircra

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 10 November 2007, gerard robin wrote: > A stupid question: > > Why is it necessary to have a key for lights, isn't it a cockpit feature > with hotspot, and switch ? I'm guessing because pressing a key on the keyboard resembles the gesture of pressing a key inside a cockpit of a real a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread gerard robin
On sam 10 novembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * alexis bory -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > > Vivian Meazza a écrit : > > > Sounds reasonable to me. > > > > I Agree too. > > Umm ... it's only that I had forgotten that Ctrl-c is > "toggle clickable panel hotspots". So the plan doesn't > work out

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* alexis bory -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > Vivian Meazza a écrit : > > Sounds reasonable to me. > I Agree too. Umm ... it's only that I had forgotten that Ctrl-c is "toggle clickable panel hotspots". So the plan doesn't work out exactly like that. m.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread alexis bory
Vivian Meazza a écrit : > Melchior FRANZ > > Hmm ... ok. I'm just not sure if having two separate keys is a good > > thing. Maybe we should standardize on > > > > c ... toggle canopy C ... engage & disengage (toggle) > > catapult \__"c" as in "carrier" Ctrl-c ... launch catapult > > / control the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread Vivian Meazza
Melchior FRANZ > Sent: 10 November 2007 10:00 > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment > > > * Vivian Meazza -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > > Gerard robin wrote > > > There is only a the little n

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Vivian Meazza -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > Gerard robin wrote > > There is only a the little number of persons who use and like > > the carriers, I'm not even sure about that. It's one of the frequently asked questions, and it seems as if everyone of the IRC regulars uses the carrier once i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread Vivian Meazza
Gerard robin wrote > Sent: 10 November 2007 09:29 > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment > > > On sam 10 novembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > * Melchior FRANZ -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-10 Thread gerard robin
On sam 10 novembre 2007, Melchior FRANZ wrote: > * Melchior FRANZ -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > > L is used to engage in the aircraft carrier's catapult > > (see $FG_ROOT/Input/Keyboard/carrier-bindings.xml). So > > around 10 aircraft will overwrite the new lighting binding > > anyway. > > err ..

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-09 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > L is used to engage in the aircraft carrier's catapult > (see $FG_ROOT/Input/Keyboard/carrier-bindings.xml). So > around 10 aircraft will overwrite the new lighting binding > anyway. err ... the tailwheel lock binding. (I didn't even know that it wa

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-09 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* David Megginson -- Saturday 10 November 2007: > I just moved tailwheel-lock from lowercase 'l' to uppercase 'L', and > reassigned lowercase 'l' to toggle lighting (for easy night starts > without searching for switches). L is used to engage in the aircraft carrier's catapult (see $FG_ROOT/Input/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-09 Thread
On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 20:32:40 -0500 "David Megginson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just moved tailwheel-lock from lowercase 'l' to uppercase 'L', and > reassigned lowercase 'l' to toggle lighting (for easy night starts > without searching for switches). I assigned lighting to the lowercase > 'l'

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-09 Thread gerard robin
On sam 10 novembre 2007, David Megginson wrote: > I just moved tailwheel-lock from lowercase 'l' to uppercase 'L', and > reassigned lowercase 'l' to toggle lighting (for easy night starts > without searching for switches). I assigned lighting to the lowercase > 'l' because I think it would be much

[Flightgear-devel] Minor keyboard reassignment

2007-11-09 Thread David Megginson
I just moved tailwheel-lock from lowercase 'l' to uppercase 'L', and reassigned lowercase 'l' to toggle lighting (for easy night starts without searching for switches). I assigned lighting to the lowercase 'l' because I think it would be much more commonly used than tailwheel lock, but if there ar