Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-05-06 Thread ArtnAnts
In a message dated 5/6/04 2:02:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing is that in a pedagogical relationship, the acknowledged creativity is the pupils'one (which is why artists can be so bad teachers why don't you tell them that learning about color is the secret of the Universe and w

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-05-06 Thread Bertrand Clavez
Dear Owen, sorry for having been so long to answer your quest, but things are crazy here, as usual... About Fluxus in school. I guess the whole teaching is to be considered as a Fluxus situation, or at least as "performing art"(Filliou). After ten years of art teaching (and history of art teaching

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART

2004-04-06 Thread Ray Noman
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART Likewise, ART IS ART – and that’s that But then again it mightn’t be And I guess the doubt is all in our heads too From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 17:49:19 EDT To

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-06 Thread Ray Noman
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School (B (B (BSo it’s not even a phenomena? ... Your proposition of ‘nowness’  sits extraordinarily comfortably with me as it might, and I assume does, with some (many?) non-Western understandings of time – and I mean ‘time’ not history ... So if ‘teaching

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART

2004-04-06 Thread ArtnAnts
FLUXUS IS NOTHING IT IS ALL IN YOUR HEAD!

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART

2004-04-06 Thread ArtnAnts
In a message dated 4/5/04 12:16:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in this sense Mail Art may be a freer arena than Fluxus--in that a Mail Artist can be anyone, entering into it immiadately at any point-- i myself am but slowly learning the history of Fluxus--through books and this group--I do t

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-06 Thread ArtnAnts
In a message dated 4/5/04 5:05:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: progress is singular and something like an orderly linear procession through time advancing relentlessly towards newness and leaving conquests in our wake. wow

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-06 Thread ArtnAnts
(J(B (JIn a message dated 4/4/04 11:38:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:(B (J(B (J(B (JIf FLUXUS is an $B".(Jattitude$B".(J, and lets say NOT a theology,(B (J(B (J(B (JI think fluxus isnt anything-- fluxus is made up of what you and I are doing in this present moment and that is i

RE: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART

2004-04-05 Thread Ray Noman
Title: RE: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART >David wrote Fluxus and Mail Art do have an emphasis on the ephemeral--which can be made precious in a sense, when limited-(collector's item/collectiove making, sharing--)-or made into a public event

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School/FLUXUS IN AIR IN STREETS IN LIGHT/MAIL ART

2004-04-05 Thread David-Baptiste Chirot
their present state-- and one --wd like to respond--to acknowledge, gives thanks for the rythm that is ongoing-- onwo/ards--david-baptiste le momo de milwaukee   >From: "Sol Nte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re:

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-05 Thread Sol Nte
Ray wrote: >In for a penny in for a pound ... On the issue of "progress" it's possible that there is a need to consider an alternative to this 'Western' notion that progress is singular and something like an orderly linear procession through time advancing relentlessly towards newness and leaving c

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-05 Thread Ray Noman
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School In for a penny in for a pound ... On the issue of “progress” it’s possible that there is a need to consider an alternative to this ‘Western’ notion that progress is singular and something like an orderly linear procession through time advancing relentlessly

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-05 Thread Sol Nte
Hi Ray and all, >There may be value (say intellectual value) in adopting a retroFLUXUS stance in order to get a handle on the ideas ³the attitude² embraces ­ or was/is it embraced? But that consideration alone would seem to ignore the potential of the idea(s) that gave FLUXUS its impetus in the 60

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-04 Thread Ray Noman
³attitude². Is that the issue? Am I off beam here? Ray > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 21:59:18 EDT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School > > > In a message dated 3/31/04 9:20:29 PM, [EMAIL PRO

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in School

2004-04-04 Thread ArtnAnts
In a message dated 3/31/04 9:20:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you have to at their stuff. whut?? I think you are right but I find it problematic to the very idea (in my mind) of fluxus to be very beholdin to its history so much. What enriches you and your group perhaps intimidates others a

RE: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in school?

2004-04-01 Thread Don Boyd
Dear Owen, My own feeling about teaching Fluxus ideas in schools is mixed. I have taught in high schools and colleges, The students are fantastically appreciative, in general. At Ohio State I had perhaps 200 enthusiastic supporters. The chairman of the art department said,"You have a cult follo

Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus in school?

2004-03-30 Thread ArtnAnts
I like the idea that fluxus is fairly unteachable--Ive talked about it to students but I always end up telling them to get online - I find the codex rather boring reading and have found fluxus more interesting by learning about it through artists such as Marccel Duchamp, John Cage, Andre Breton, et