Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?

2011-12-15 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Tomas Hajny schrieb: Basic functionality for working with files is available in units System, SysUtils and Dos - see e.g. http://wiki.freepascal.org/Unit_categorization. Searching for file in that page doesn't reveal any helpful information. Perhaps it's me, but I rarely can find something

Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?

2011-12-15 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: Search for rename and file in the chm help: Thanks, slowly I understand how a chm can be searched :-) This should be explained somewhere, too (using Help) DoDi ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?

2011-12-15 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: I repeat: you didn't search very well. Yes, I was not lucky enough :-( IMO a separation into topics File handling (FILE based) and File management (by filename) would be a good idea. Now I also found an topic General File handling routines, but it seems

Re: [fpc-devel] Problems with namespaces and structs

2011-12-15 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Andrew Brunner schrieb: I got it to work by declaring the Callback Event Type in the Storage.Folders area and declared that type in the other unit which linked just fine. It appears that the references cannot be located from outside that namespace. That's why I wonder what namespaces are

[fpc-devel] MakeSkel etc. programs

2011-12-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
I just tried to extend the programs in the fpdoc folder, morphing the program files into unit files by conditional compilation: {$IFDEF DoDi} unit ...; interface {$ELSE} program ...; {$ENDIF} etc., no problem so far. Then I wrote my own MkSkel program, using MakeSkel as a unit. Also fine :-)

[fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?

2011-12-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
I wonder how to obtain the size of an file on disk. The only function I could find so far is FileSize, which requires an open File, but nothing for an file name :-( ATM FileSize(TEXT) would help, too, but FileSize only accepts an FILE, not TEXT :-( FpFStat() seems unavailable on Windows :-(

Re: [fpc-devel] MakeSkel etc. programs

2011-12-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Now I'll try to further extend MkSkel by using FPDoc projects, so that the correct input specifications are used, including all compiler options. Then it will be easy to check the RTL and other packages for updates, and to create the skeletons for all contained

Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?

2011-12-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: FindFirst may be usable, but is very clumsy for this simple request. Nevertheless, it is the only option. For example FileAge also calls FindFirst. Then it shouldn't be a problem to add an according FileSize function to the RTL? DoDi

Re: [fpc-devel] MakeSkel etc. programs

2011-12-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: BTW is it really required to add -Fi., so that the parser finds include files in the current directory (of the unit file)? To my knowledge, it should not be necessary ? MakeSkel currently complains about missing dw_htmlchm.inc, when creating the skeletons for

Re: [fpc-devel] Determin file size - how?

2011-12-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Tomas Hajny schrieb: I wonder how to obtain the size of an file on disk. The only function I could find so far is FileSize, which requires an open File, but nothing for an file name :-( ATM FileSize(TEXT) would help, too, but FileSize only accepts an FILE, not TEXT :-( What exactly do you

[fpc-devel] Bad links in RTL docs

2011-12-11 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
FPDoc doesn't find targets for these links: math.TRoundToRange - range types never become part of the documentation! type TRoundToRange = -37..37; I suspect that fpdoc wants an type name after the =, which here doesn't exist. Applies to all range types, not only this one. system.Power -

Re: [fpc-devel] Bad links in RTL docs

2011-12-11 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: In our previous episode, Hans-Peter Diettrich said: FPDoc doesn't find targets for these links: math.TRoundToRange - range types never become part of the documentation! type TRoundToRange = -37..37; I suspect that fpdoc wants an type name after the =, which here

Re: [fpc-devel] Makeskel errors on Windows

2011-12-10 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: The addition of the win and win32 includes IMO was not a good decision, instead the parser should use the Linux target (as you assume) instead of the actual platform. I don't think the parser is the problem. The problem are the (platform dependent) arguments,

Re: [fpc-devel] Makeskel errors on Windows

2011-12-10 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: The LCL problem is not related to new syntax, all units parse without errors. But document creation crashes on screen.inc FontEnumProc = function (var ELogFont:TEnumLogFont; var Metric:TNewTextMetric; FontType:longint; Data:LParam):longint; extdecl; What

Re: [fpc-devel] Makeskel errors on Windows

2011-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: And as long as it is not 100% documented, it will not be added. In other words, the windows unit will probably never make it in the official docs. At least TSystemTime is declared there, used in GetLocalTime (Win32 platform). Dunno about other types or

Re: [fpc-devel] NowUTC in the RTL

2011-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: 2. Placy a dummy routine which returns 'now' in sysutils.inc {$IFNDEF FPC_HAS_NOWUTC} function NowUTC : TDateTime; begin Result:=Now; end; {$ENDIF} IMO the dummy routine should return some error value, e.g. zero or NaN, that makes it clear to the user that

Re: [fpc-devel] Makeskel errors on Windows

2011-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: Just as a sidenote: unit Dos is platform independant (every (full) target has one and the common parts reside in dos.inc and dosh.inc in %fpcdir%\rtl\inc) Ah, thanks. Then Go32v2 is the (MS?)Dos platform? Looks now as if platforms reside in the rtl subdirectories,

Re: [fpc-devel] NowUTC in the RTL

2011-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Jonas Maebe schrieb: On 09 Dec 2011, at 13:47, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: I know nothing about OS/2-eCS, but the same arguments as for Go32V2 apply as far as I am concerned. If all these platforms can guarantee returning correct UTC time, I do not see why we would not introduce it. Afaik

Re: [fpc-devel] Makeskel errors on Windows

2011-12-09 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: At least TSystemTime is declared there, used in GetLocalTime (Win32 platform). Dunno about other types or constants, used in other Win32 RTL and FCL units (winsocks...). If you'd check carefully TSystemTime is declared and documented in sysutils. Not in the

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Does there exist a chance (trick) to use the input files of a different installation, without copying the description files? If you use the make command to generate the docs, simply pass the FPCSRCDIR command line parameter. eg: make rtl.chk fcl.chk

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: In our previous episode, Sven Barth said: The -v option should become more verbose, just for hunting such bugs. And the messages should go to stdout instead of stderr, at least on Windows (with poor redirection capabilities). StdErr redirection works in Windows the

Re: [fpc-devel] TFPCustomCanvas Expanded Clipping

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Yes, but changing this will break existing code ? Such code can be considered broken, deserves an fix anyhow. Yes, it cannot do both at the same time, unless we add a property PaintLikeTCanvas or something like that. Hm. I would reverse the property.

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: But when I tried to build the LCL, fpdoc crashes badly in THTMLWriter.AppendProcType (SIGSEGV). I tried to catch this error by try-except, but then Windows kills fpdoc. Running from the commandline at least reveals the Element as FontEnumProc. I'll have to

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Currently the following steps are required to build the project file and the docs: 1. make whatever -n mydocs.bat 2. edit mydocs.bat to make fpdoc create an project file 3. mydocs.bat 4. edit the mydocs.xml project as required 5. fpdoc mydocs.xml 2+3 could

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: That's a known issue. IIRC a workaround was to compile fpdoc without optimization. Sorry, that didn't help :-( So what was your commandline to build the checkout ? Argh, I did updates regularly, but forgot to rebuild the compiler etc. :-( But rebuilding only

Re: [fpc-devel] TFPCustomCanvas Expanded Clipping

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb: Yes, in the case of the rectangle drawing I think it was a typo by who implemented the current rectangle in fcl-image, I have done various similar typos in my coding and they don't mean I really wanted to redefine rectangle. But the TCanvas line is trully

[fpc-devel] Makeskel errors on Windows

2011-12-08 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Makeskel expects another(?) semicolon after win\wininc\func.inc: function GetRandomRgn(aHDC: HDC; aHRGN: HRGN; iNum: WINT): WINT; stdcall; external 'gdi32'; function ... Perhaps it cannot parse the external directive? FPDoc seems to suffer from the same problem, it creates an all-empty

Re: [fpc-devel] TFPCustomCanvas Expanded Clipping

2011-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb: On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:28 AM, zeljko zel...@holobit.net wrote: Note that xxx_boundingRect() functions of qt are marked as slow (I guess it's case when you deal with eg 1000 rects in region and you must calculate lower TopLeft and high BottomRight) in their

[fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
In my current tests I found empty classes (no members listed), e.g. Classes.TFPList. The Declaration shows: Source position: classesh.inc line 170 type TFPList = class end; This line reads in the source code as TFPList = class; with the declaration following in line 188 ff. TFPList =

Re: [fpc-devel] TFPCustomCanvas Expanded Clipping

2011-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb: On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: IMO the fastest implementation paints everything to a bitmap, then masks the painting with the region. This should be faster than clipping every single drawing primitve

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Hm. It should work correctly; At least, it did so in the past. I will need to check this. The platform also seems to be involved. When I changed the win32\classes.pp into unix\classes.pp, many classes disappear entirely from the docs (TFileStream,

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Wait, did you try this on FPC trunk sources ? That won't work. 2.6.0 sources should be OK. Ah! Does there exist a chance (trick) to use the input files of a different installation, without copying the description files? I'll try --descr-dir, because

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc parser doesn't handle forward declarations properly?

2011-12-07 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Wait, did you try this on FPC trunk sources ? That won't work. 2.6.0 sources should be OK. I could build RTL and FCL docs from 2.4.2 without major problems (the trunk Makefile was not fully compatible with the old directory structure). But when I tried to build

Re: [fpc-devel] fpdoc project options

2011-12-05 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: You can just remove the option tags from the project file, or manipulate the options with the tool I made earlier. Still waiting for a description of your tool. BTW, I couldn't find Imports used in building the documentation any more. Did I miss something?

Re: [fpc-devel] fpdoc project options

2011-12-05 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Hans-Peter Diettrich schrieb: BTW, I couldn't find Imports used in building the documentation any more. Did I miss something? Sorry, the reference was not found because mkfpdoc is missing from the fpdoc project files - please add it. DoDi

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: On 3 December 2011 17:26, Marco van de Voort mar...@stack.nl wrote: And the contents in the XML is _NOT_ dependent where exactly those files are, as long as fpdoc can find them. Exactly my point. fpdoc cannot generate documentation without knowing where the the

[fpc-devel] fpdoc project options

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Currently fpdoc stores many options in the project files, but this can cause problems. Once a boolean option is stored as True, e.g. option name=hide-protected value=true/ it cannot be turned off by a different commandline option :-( This raises the question, which options should be stored in

Re: [fpc-devel] fpdoc project options

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: On 4 December 2011 20:09, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Currently fpdoc stores many options in the project files, but this can cause problems. Once a boolean option is stored as True, e.g. option name=hide-protected value=true/ it cannot be turned off by a different

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: I did several things: 1. Enable various log levels in parser and scanner. It uses an event handler. (writing to terminal is not possible) 2. Route all this logging through the TPasContainer. I tried to remove all direct writes from all backends and other

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: On 4 December 2011 16:17, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: I thought about such a simplification, too, but you'll get some objections: I believe I already have. ;-) How then do you want to document files for different platforms? (needs to supply different source

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: Waiting for a commit of these extensions, and for a description of your mkfpdocproj tool... Everything was already committed in rev. 19755. Now it has arrived here, and it really looks great :-) One comment on ParseOption: else if s = '--show-private' then

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: All I did now was add some options for its manipulation, based on the problems Hans was experiencing when he tried to build the FPC docs. Right, I'm impressed that almost all of my wishes have been implemented now. I was quite pessimistic after the first

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: I still miss a required package option (variation of --import?), describing the packages whose content files are required to build a dependent package documentation. Since the location of these packages can differ on every machine, the user should be alerted when

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: You remember my -n and -v options? Absolutely, and I'll gladly accept patches implementing those 2 things in fpdoc. If you could separate those out from your other work, that would be much appreciated. If not, send whatever you have, and I'll try to extract it

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Tomas Hajny schrieb: When ever required, the platform or widgetset specific *units* deserve their own documentation (sources) in the first place. Then it's only a minor effort to create specialized fpdoc projects, which use the right units and create the documentation for them. Every user

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Speed is also an option. If we start allowing macros, then as an end result the macros must be processed in the whole XML file. The documentation XML is rather big; the project file is small. In true unix philosophy, I think it is better to have many small

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: The patch changes nothing to the content of the docs, it just makes sure that the parser finds all files on Windows. If there are any platform-specific identifiers, the docs have always contained the linux-specific ones. The patch changes nothing about this.

Re: [fpc-devel] fpdoc --input parameter suggestion

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Graeme Geldenhuys schrieb: I'm not sure how the Makefiles in the FPC_Docs repository generates fpdoc parameters, but I found that I only need to specify the search paths in the first --input parameter. This doesn't look correct to me, at least not for the trunk fpdoc and the RTL

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: If there are any platform-specific identifiers, the docs have always contained the linux-specific ones. I'm just about to create a Windows version of the RTL docs. In contrast to the assumption, that one XML file could hold descriptions of multiple modules, I

[fpc-devel] Compiling fpdoc

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
I'm not yet familiar with the new string model, and compiling fpdoc results in a lot of Unicode conversion warnings. When somebody tries to eliminate these warnings, DOMString deserves a closer look - should it become an UnicodeString instead of WideString? BTW Where can I learn more about

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: This means that we can document platform-specific items in additional files, which are automatically merged with the other descriptions. The description file specifications can be extended by a platform attribute, so that problems arising from multiple (platform

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: Out of curiosity: How could/would one create one documentation of source which supports multiple platforms, but where there are identifiers that are only available for some platforms? (like our RTL) Right, that's a problem - but how many identifiers are really affected?

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: One objection is for instance that your proposal will cause all XML files to be loaded both when FCL and RTL documentation are created. Already included: all XML files are discarded, when they don't contribute to the current package :-) Because of the loose

[fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
See Mantis #20786 for details. The first problem was the use of single quotes in the generated fpdoc commandline, which are not handled properly by the Windows shell. I fixed this manually, by editing the Makefile. Next I get the following error messages: ../rtl/unix/sockets.pp(20,15):

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc projects future

2011-12-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb: On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich drdiettri...@aol.com wrote: Now you hear some, most probably from the first user of fpdoc on Windows ;-) If you were, then this file would not exist: Examples which *happen* to work are not a proof

Re: [fpc-devel] Errors with make rtl.chk on Windows

2011-12-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: Perhaps linux/sockets.pp should be replaced by win/sockets.pp? Or should the Makefile supply the Linux/Unix include directories, instead those of the current platform (Windows)? The latter. The paths must be appended, but I already committed a fix for

[fpc-devel] RTL docs missing links

2011-12-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
FPDoc issues many warnings about unknown link targets. Some of these seem to result from intrinsic types, e.g. for PSmallInt the target SmallInt does not exist. It doesn't look good when the docs do not include the most basic types, like Boolean, Byte, Char, Pointer etc. :-( The same problem

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc projects future

2011-11-30 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: (so rtl/xxx/yy.html referencing fcl/zzz/ooo.html is done by generating a link to ../../fcl/zzz/ooo.html ) But this is an html format problem, not a fpdoc problem. I thought the cross-references are done based on the location of the cxt file, and all links

Re: [fpc-devel] TFPCustomCanvas Expanded Clipping

2011-11-30 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: I'm not sure how far non-rectangular clipping regions are supported by all widgetsets, and wouldn't rely on such a capability. You are aware that TFPCustomCanvas can be used for widgetset independant canvases as well? Also Felipe said that he'll need it for his

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc projects future

2011-11-30 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: You should understand the problems of Windows users. Until now they cannot produce local documentation, due to several bugs in the Makefiles, fpdoc and related tools. This is a bad situation for documentation writers, which cannot test their work

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Hans-Peter Diettrich schrieb: Unfortunately there remain some problems, e.g. the FPC documentation cannot be created on Windows, what is one reason for the extended project option, but doesn't allow me to debug this feature with real life projects (RTL...). A make -n rtl.chk test.txt

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: On Mon, 28 Nov 2011, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: I just implemented and option to create an XML project from the commandline arguments. This should allow to create projects from the scripts and Makefiles, used to build the documentation for the standard

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: A make -n rtl.chk test.txt succeeded, at least. Now I suspect some Windows or RTL commandline limitations, which seem to truncate the long command lines created by the scripts (4890 chars for rtl.chk). This is a problem of windows, yes. Argh :-( Try

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: 2. Try to separate things. You coded a change in package selection handling, please don't mix this with the change for writing a package file. It makes it more difficult to debug when bugs arise. How can I create patches for different topics, when the

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Tomas Hajny schrieb: The current limit of the default MS Windows shell is 8 kB according to information found on Microsoft pages (among others). Are those 4890 characters mentioned above Unicode (UTF-16) characters (thus breaking the limit)? Anyway, it might be possible to use a different

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: When this were the *only* code in the fpdoc program file, another project could create a derived class, with a possibly specialized Run method, without touching the declaration or implementation of TFPDocApplication. That would conflict with the GUI

[fpc-devel] FPDoc projects future

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
In my review of the fpdoc project option some questions popped up. The most important question: should fpdoc be usable for creating online help only, or should it also allow users to create offline documentation on their local machine? When a user can create documentation files for local use,

Re: [fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: That would conflict with the GUI TApplication instance, so I really don't see the point of this exercise. Then another error in the logic exists: CreateDocumentation should be a method of TFPDocProject, not of TFPDocAplication. Why ? TFPDocProject is just

[fpc-devel] FPDoc improvements

2011-11-28 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
I just implemented and option to create an XML project from the commandline arguments. This should allow to create projects from the scripts and Makefiles, used to build the documentation for the standard libraries. See Mantis #20769. Unfortunately there remain some problems, e.g. the FPC

[fpc-devel] Strange build error

2011-11-27 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
On Win7 I encounter the following fatal error on make clean all of trunk (19693): D:/lazarus931/fpc/2.4.2/bin/i386-win32/mv.exe -f ./pp.exe ppc386.exe D:/lazarus931/fpc/2.4.2/bin/i386-win32/mv.exe: cannot remove `ppc386.exe': Permission denied There exists a pp.exe in the current (compiler)

Re: [fpc-devel] Strange build error

2011-11-27 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Florian Klämpfl schrieb: Anti virus? This was my first guess as well, but deactivating online-scanning didn't help. So I uninstalled BitDefender completely, and now it worked :-) DoDi ___ fpc-devel maillist - fpc-devel@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-devel] Unicode proceedings

2011-11-18 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Schnell schrieb: As already said, my request at this time is not considering implementation before agreeing on a decently clear definition of what should be provided and what is supposed top happen when. IMO such a separation is of no use. If you want an new string type, then make it

Re: [fpc-devel] Unicode proceedings

2011-11-18 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
DaWorm schrieb: Perhaps a little extra compiler magic could be used? If the base definition of a string (the hidden stuff before the data) contains not only a field with the encoding, but a flag indicating the disposition of the encoding, then when a string type is aliases, that disposition

Re: [fpc-devel] Unicode proceedings

2011-11-16 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Schnell schrieb: Obviously a system of hard coded string types (such as A) is not what everybody (but some) wants (e.g. as there would need a lot of such types and because EMB decided implementing dynamic typing). It's the best system, performance-wise. An application should not use

Re: [fpc-devel] Unicode proceedings

2011-11-16 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Schnell schrieb: On 11/16/2011 02:56 PM, Hans-Peter Diettrich wrote: Delphi uses the native/generic AnsiString(0), A native /generic type is exactly what is _not_ available in the A) suggestion of definitions. Here a type name stands for exactly one encoding variant. No dynamic

Re: [fpc-devel] Unicode proceedings

2011-11-16 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: Note that the Delphi2009 definition is theoretically capable of combining one and two bytes in one type (like Yury's). Afaik there is no consensus why Embarcadero kept the two types separate, though I can think of several reasons: - performance - backwards

Re: [fpc-devel] About GetTickCount

2011-11-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: It's basically a 64-bit type now. Here's ReactOS' implementation of GetTickCount64 (which is called by GetTickCount): [...] You notice the loop regarding SharedUserData again? ;) (though this time it also contains a call to YieldProcessor and a comment regarding the loop)

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: According to Delphi help a TDateTime of 0.0 represents 12/30/1899 12:00 am, while Wikipedia states start counting the seconds from the Unix epoch of 1970-01-01T00:00:00 UTC. You are aware that the definition of TDateTime and that of the Unix timestamp are not supposed to

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-04 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: var st: TSystemTime; dt: TDateTime; begin GetLocalTime(st); dt := SystemTimeToDateTime(st); Writeln(FormatDateTime('c', dt)); GetSystemTime(st); dt := SystemTimeToDateTime(st); Writeln(FormatDateTime('c', dt)); Readln; end. === source end === As long as

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: Am 03.11.2011 02:39, schrieb Hans-Peter Diettrich: IMO we have to face a problem very similar to Ansi/UTF-8/16: A TDateTime variable can contain local time in a number of timezones (Ansi), or UTC values (UTF), which must be interpreted accordingly, e.g. in DateTimeToStr

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: FPC's Now on Windows uses GetLocalTime as well. For its implementation please take a look here: http://svn.reactos.org/svn/reactos/trunk/reactos/dll/win32/kernel32/client/time.c?revision=52912view=markup (line 277ff) That code doesn't make sense, without additional

Re: [fpc-devel] About GetTickCount

2011-11-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
zeljko schrieb: This is what MSDN says about GetTickCount: Retrieves the number of milliseconds that have elapsed since the system was started, up to 49.7 days (what they do after 49.7 days ? ). When the DWORD overflows, Win9x stops to work properly. NT uses an bigger data type, at least

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-03 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Pete Cervasio schrieb: Splitting the TDateTime into year, month etc. is done by a DecodeDate... function, that *assumes* that TDateTime contains a local time. When you feed it an UTC time, the result is unusable. What? How does it assume it's in local time? It assumes it has received

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
michael.vancann...@wisa.be schrieb: The call will not be merged. Instead, you can just add ReadTimezoneFile(GetTimezoneFile); GetLocalTimezone(fptime); to your code (and add units 'unix' and 'baseunix'). What will happen if these are called on other platforms, which don't have timezone

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Luca Olivetti schrieb: Al 02/11/11 09:31, En/na Mark Morgan Lloyd ha escrit: But even in this case, what should happen if the user (or NTP) explicitly changes the system clock? Ultimately, what matters for relative timing is ticks-since-boot. From the link posted before:

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Sven Barth schrieb: The solution mentioned above is a workaround for 2.4 where no fix is in place. Newer versions of FPC (maybe even 2.6, I don't know about that) will get an improved/fixed version of Now (how exactly seems to still be debated). ACK Also note that on platforms like Windows

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Vinzent Höfler schrieb: On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 07:35:30 +0100, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho felipemonteiro.carva...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe that would be something interresting to add. Programs that want to measure time differences could use it instead of hacking Now. Well, all what's needed is

Re: RE : [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-02 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Ludo Brands schrieb: debated). Also note that on platforms like Windows this would be a unnecessary call as there the current(!) timezone bias is located in a shared memory area which is mapped into each process by the kernel. Apparently not everything is that transparent under windows:

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: We'll simply need to store the next moment when the DST correction changes, compare the result of gettimeofday with that and re-base the time calculation. If we decide to add some check for the timestamp of the timezone file - that would make Date(), Time() and

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Van Canneyt schrieb: The timezone itself does not change, unless you physically move the machine from, say, Belgium to Russia. Then we should include a GPS query, for the actual geographic position, and adjust the local time accordingly ;-) DoDi

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho schrieb: On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote: This is something that normally doesn't happen unless you move your system from one timezone to another or during system setup In many countries the time zone changes 2

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-11-01 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
zeljko schrieb: Am I the only one who produces 24/7 services with fpc in the world (and around) ? ;) You seem to be the only one who provides such services based on *local* time, with 23..25 hours per day ;-) DoDi ___ fpc-devel maillist -

Re: [fpc-devel] Problem with Now() and time changed by ntpd

2011-10-31 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
zeljko schrieb: Also this confirms something what happens sometimes when ntpd changes time ... Any hints ? What to do ? Any workaround ? Why don't you use UTC, it should be insensitive to DST and other changes. DoDi ___ fpc-devel maillist -

Re: [fpc-devel] bug report 20473: Please add a directive to define string=utf8string

2011-10-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Craig Peterson schrieb: In Delphi XE2 on OS X AnsiString does *not* map to UTF-8. On an English system it maps to Windows-1252. If you want to convert an array of AnsiChar to a WideString you need to cast it as a UTF8String first. By default DefaultSystemCodePage is 1252, not 65001.

Re: [fpc-devel] Delphi new AnsiStrings are incredibly broken :-(

2011-10-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Apart from the mentioned implementation flaws, I came across severe problems with the new AnsiString *model* in general. Let's play around with the Pos() function, which certainly is an inevitable part of any stringhandling. A general function function Pos(SubStr: T1; Str: T2): integer;

Re: [fpc-devel] Delphi new AnsiStrings are incredibly broken :-(

2011-10-14 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Paul Ishenin schrieb: A general function function Pos(SubStr: T1; Str: T2): integer; should return the character index of SubStr in Str, i.e. Str[i] should definitely be the begin of SubStr within Str. Just think of Pos() as it only compares bytes. Ah, that may be correct for the old

Re: [fpc-devel] new string - question on usage

2011-10-13 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Paul Ishenin schrieb: What's CP_NONE? Value and purpose? RawByteString codepage. Value $ and purpose - inform that string has no codepage assigned. I think at the moment compiler does not produce strings of codepage $ anymore but before it did. So now we can probably clear the RTL

Re: [fpc-devel] new string - question on usage

2011-10-13 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Marco van de Voort schrieb: In our previous episode, Michael Schnell said: deal seems to be an attempt to avoid an own development, what already failed with both Kylix and Delphi.NET. instead of Kylix they now with XE2 provide FPC and instead of Delphi.NET they sell Prism. Both are 3rd party

[fpc-devel] Delphi new AnsiStrings are incredibly broken :-(

2011-10-13 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
After the test program, sent by Paul, I was playing more with AnsiStrings in Delphi XE, with catastrophic results :-( At least when MBCS enter the scene, and UTF-8 is widely used in FPC and Lazarus and is the preferred string type on Linux, incredible bugs show up. With var a: AnsiString;

Re: [fpc-devel] new string - question on usage

2011-10-13 Thread Hans-Peter Diettrich
Michael Schnell schrieb: On 10/13/2011 10:52 AM, Sven Barth wrote: So you suggest that in Delphi XE, UnicodeString is _not_ a new String Type ? I don't know what you describe as new string, but UnicodeString was introduced as a new type in Delphi 2009 and String was made an alias to

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