Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Gerard N/A
Hi Graeme, On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Prince Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That project is such a mess (my personal opinion). Just the other day I wanted to download the Eclipse IDE, to see what has changed

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Marco Ciampa
On Mon, Dec 08, 2008 at 12:07:31PM -0600, Prince Riley wrote: Thank you for your reply. Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Prince Riley
Graeme, I find that very interesting. The Eclipse group has redesigned the web site and it now has a much cleaner and easier to navigate 'front door' that leads most visitors directly to the major Java or Rich Client IDE. Prince On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Jonas Maebe
Hello, Please also move this Eclipse discussion to fpc-other (unless it's specifically on how to set up Eclipse for use with FPC or so). Thanks, Jonas FPC lists moderator ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Gerard N/A schrieb: www.eclipse.org On the upper menu, 5th item, downloads. Then choose whatever you wnat to download, and choose the mirror, and the download starts. lazarus.freepascal.org on the other way seldom works lately and when it does it's so slow it can't be used. Well, this means

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Florian Klaempfl
Prince Riley schrieb: Graeme I just took this snapshot of the www.eclipse.org http://www.eclipse.org kanding page .. you say you weren't able to find a clear download link lol .. ok well it appears directly in the center of the page ... Let me know what you think after you download

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-11 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Prince Riley wmarketi...@gmail.com wrote: I just took this snapshot of the www.eclipse.org kanding page .. you say you weren't able to find a clear download link lol .. ok well it appears directly in the center of the page ... hehehe... Yes it seems

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-10 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 8:07 PM, Prince Riley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to support Ruby, Python,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-09 Thread Prince Riley
Thank you for your reply. Eclipse was first released as a Java development IDE several years ago, but if you take a look at the Eclipse web site www.eclipse.org you'll see that since then Eclipse has evolved and been extended to support Ruby, Python, C/C++. The suggestion I was making is there

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-08 Thread Prince Riley
Hello Like ti weigh in on this thread in the discussion regarding increasing the GUI-ness of FP. Has anyone looked into writing an Eclipse plug-in for FP (as an was done for Python and Ruby)? Given the huge base of Eclipse users this might be a way to reach the goal with both a better developer

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-08 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Andrew Haines [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just checked out fpwm and updated it and fpgui locally so it can compile. It does almost nothing atm but can reparent and close windows :) not alot. I was thinking I might write a widget for resizing and moving windows.

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-08 Thread Marco van de Voort
In our previous episode, Prince Riley said: Like ti weigh in on this thread in the discussion regarding increasing the GUI-ness of FP. Has anyone looked into writing an Eclipse plug-in for FP (as an was done for Python and Ruby)? Afaik there was a more editor like plugin at one time. But

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-07 Thread Andrew Haines
Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm'

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-06 Thread leledumbo
How could Linus Torvalds write the core of Linux in rather short time, single-handed, if it is such a huge task just to port it? Because he didn't really write it from scratch, instead he just improves what's already there (Unix source code, maybe?) and poing! Linux comes up. -- View this

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-06 Thread Skybuck Flying
: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ? Skybuck Flying schreef: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Some (arbitrary numbers) from http://www.ohloh.net/p/linux: Codebase 10,679,927 lines Effort (est.) 3,396 Person Years So, if everybody on this list

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-06 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:20 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm' project? Did it actually run at some point. I see the last code changes was 2 years ago. I think it was able to run, but wouldn't do much. Too many other tasks at hand, and this

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Gerard N/A
As with many things, it only depends of the time you have. But as you grow older you get a different idea of life expectancy and the use of your remaing time. Regards, Gerard. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Marc Geldon (SCALA IT)
What is the use anyhow? 2008/12/4 Skybuck Flying [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, An open source pascal operating system could be cool. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Bye, Skybuck. ___ fpc-pascal maillist -

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread leledumbo
An open source pascal operating system could be cool. There are already such projects (including mine :-)). Search google code and sourceforge. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Yes, but who would? And if he/she would, does he/she have the time? -- View this message

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Ingemar Ragnemalm
Skybuck Flying [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, An open source pascal operating system could be cool. Would translating/porting linux to pascal be possible ? Absolutely. Most of Unix is plain C, which translates well to Pascal. C++ is harder, of course. Gerard N/A [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Skybuck Flying
If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Question is: Which linux distro ? ;) Maybe even some BSD version so that closed-source os-es could be done as well. Though I onced tried FreeBSD... I couldn't even figure out the gui or how to start an app.. So maybe linux more

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Vincent Snijders
Skybuck Flying schreef: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Some (arbitrary numbers) from http://www.ohloh.net/p/linux: Codebase 10,679,927 lines Effort (est.) 3,396 Person Years So, if everybody on this list (maybe 300 persons) work on it, then it can be

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Steve Howe
Hello all, Skybuck Flying schreef: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Some (arbitrary numbers) from http://www.ohloh.net/p/linux: Codebase 10,679,927 lines Effort (est.) 3,396 Person Years So, if everybody on this list (maybe 300 persons) work on it,

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. The work is imensely smaller, althougth still large, and a window manager usually comes with lot's of useful gui software, so this would be an opportunity to

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Gerard N/A
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Ingemar Ragnemalm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is an argument only after considering the time versus the goal. Is the goal worth the time? No, and that was exactly my point. Life is too short to spend it rewriting Linux in Pascal. g Another goal is to make a

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Ingemar Ragnemalm
Leonardo M. Ram? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Fri, 12/5/08, Guillermo Martínez Jiménez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, Linux is good as it is now and Pascal isn't the best option to create an operating system. Are you sure? doesn't older MacOS's versions where written in

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ingemar Ragnemalm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the KDE and Gnome projects are language-locked? Yes, they are. (How? Surely users don't select software by language? Users don't care, but they usually use what comes with their distro and window manager, so if KDE

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Marc Santhoff
Am Freitag, den 05.12.2008, 17:40 +0100 schrieb Ingemar Ragnemalm: Now everything must have inherited design flaws from C just because of what was available in the 80's. This is one strong argument against porting Lunix to Pascal, isn't it? Porting means sort of translating old design flaws to

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Prince Riley
Hello Everyone, While I can't honestly say I share any enthusiasm for writing a OS in FreePascal, I do think there is merit in looking for projects of similar scope and interest that can demonstrate the power of the language and the tremendous tools that have been developed by this group over the

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Skybuck Flying [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If everybody does a little bit it could go quite quickly. Question is: Which linux distro ? ;) Well, you said porting linux. Linux to be only references the Kernel only. That is the real OS part. All the other stuff

Re: [fpc-pascal] Porting linux to pascal, would it be, possible ?

2008-12-05 Thread Graeme Geldenhuys
On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Felipe Monteiro de Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to do some large work to increase the use of FPC I would recommend creating a Window Manager instead, probably with fpgui. How far did you guys get with the 'fpwm' project? Did it actually run at