[Framers] Maintaining Flare content using FM

2023-05-15 Thread Sue Thomson (EWST)
Hi Folks At some point in the not-immediate future I will have to maintain content currently being authored in Flare. This is for a single project and I have no control over the use of Flare for the new content. I do not have or know Flare - I author in FrameMaker (latest version). I assume

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-03-03 Thread Ken Poshedly
learn as you go. There are online tutorials. Lynda.com has courses in Flare. Good luck. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 058-763-7133 On 28-Feb-20 7:20 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: > Group, > > At a job interview yesterday (February 27), one of the folks I met with > stated he

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-03-03 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
If your main job will be technical writing, I think you should just take the job and learn as you go. There are online tutorials. Lynda.com has courses in Flare. Good luck. -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 058-763-7133 On 28-Feb-20 7:20 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote: Group, At a job interview

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker started out in 1986 as a page layout / desktop publishing program. Even though since around 2000 (with add-ons, or 2014 without) it has also been a single-sourcing tool, its UI is still pretty much the same, which makes it fundamentally different from every other single-source authoring

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-29 Thread Sean
InDesign for that. I enjoy MadCap Flare, but it just has quirks that make it awkward. I would recommend flare for a true single-sourcing environment, where online documentation — NOT a Website — is as important as a for-print PDF. Flare is easy to work with almost. Numbering is painful. I often

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-29 Thread jackdeland
like Flare so much because it is so extensible. The Flare interface scared me when I first saw it (I forget what version), and I neglected it for years. It wasn't until I got "under the covers" with styling that I felt accomplished in any real sense. I had the same feeling when I got

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-29 Thread Craig Ede
ople using Adobe FrameMaker software.' Subject: Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare I am a fan of an approach that separates content development from web design. A writer/editor develops content and a web designer designs the web pages, css, etc. In my opinion, these are two vastly different skill s

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
The strong market for Flare training is a direct result of many people finding that it has a steep learning curve. But there are lots of tutorials out there, including MadCap's own. Many libraries offer free access to Lynda.com. https://www.madcapsoftware.com/videos/flare/ And the o

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-29 Thread Robert Lauriston
phones takes a deeper level of skill than just > learning a tool like Flare or FrameMaker. ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Ar

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Rick Quatro
desktops, tablets, and phones takes a deeper level of skill than just learning a tool like Flare or FrameMaker. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. r...@frameexpert.com 585-729-6746 www.frameexpert.com/store/ -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Carol J. Elkins Sent: Friday

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread jackdeland
KenPo has nothing to be concerned about; he'll do just fine with Flare. There are tons of samples on the MadCap site to play with. I taught Flare for years, after teaching Robo back when it was good, and fast. One thing that most students stumbled over was the interface. You just need to rem

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread A Craig
Absolutely From: "Carol J. Elkins" To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." Sent: Friday, 28 February, 2020 10:14:10 Subject: Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare Sadly, IMHO, not enough attention is given to the quality of content on most Web

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Carol J. Elkins
content. Once you figure out all of that for the Web site, then you can focus on coding it in Flare. Work one piece of the challenge at a time. Carol At 10:20 AM 2/28/2020, Ken Poshedly wrote: While I've done online content here and there, I've not done really full-blown, overall web s

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
Lots of people think Flare has a steep learning curve. When I first used it, I was an expert RoboHelp user, and had used quite a few other topic-per-file tools such as XMetal and DreamWeaver, so the learning curve should have been close to flat, but there were a lot of things I knew it could do

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
If it's web site content rather than online help, you might want to migrate it away from Flare anyway. The first web browser was release in March 1993, so On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 9:57 AM Peter Gold wrote: > > I started training people to use personal computers and productivity

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Peter Gold
e thinking about, going forward. Then look into Flare, tutorials, and a trial. Cheers! On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 11:29 AM Robert Lauriston wrote: > FrameMaker is not similar to any other tech docs authoring tool. It's > fundamentally a page layout program. > > Flare is fundament

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
Frankly, I'd disagree - if you can use Word & FM, you can use RH or Flare - you may not get all the subtleties in it, but topics are topics and styles are the same as paragraph tags and cross refs are just hyperlinks to bookmarks. The barrier to entry is pretty low. I'd say you s

Re: [Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Robert Lauriston
FrameMaker is not similar to any other tech docs authoring tool. It's fundamentally a page layout program. Flare is fundamentally an HTML authoring tool. It's very similar to RoboHelp and many other help authoring tools. If you've never used a similar HTML authoring tool, the learn

[Framers] MadCap Flare

2020-02-28 Thread Ken Poshedly
ne content here and there, I've not done really full-blown, overall web site design or redesigns. The staff person (a vice president) said that the current page was done using MadCap Flare. Due to the EXTREMELY restrictive policies at my previous employer (where I worked for nine and one-h

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
The $360-per-year FrameMaker subscription includes upgrades, so that's significantly cheaper than Flare. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 12:03 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable > and it's probably a better sing

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Robert Lauriston
Comparing Flare and standalone FrameMaker, HTML output is more customizable and it's probably a better single-sourcing tool, except as regards PDF targets. Comparing Flare and FrameMaker plus RoboHelp or WebWorks ePublisher Pro, hard to say. I'd probably take unstructured FrameMaker an

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker vs Flare

2018-06-27 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
It seems that the benefits of Flare over Frame are: - More customizable/better HTML output - Better support - Better single sourcing than unstructured Frame - They don't charge an arm and a leg to pay for upgrades The benefits of Frame over Flare are: - Better PDFs - Less of learning curv

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
g can't be used here." MadCap marketing people work overtime to blur the distinction between XHTML and DITA. And in fact Flare gives you many of the benefits of DITA or DocBook with less overhead. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:40 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: > I guess i

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Rick Quatro
Flare is definitely a structured authoring tool. It's underlying enforced structure is XHTML. -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 1:40 PM To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. Subjec

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
based architecture, constrained writing environments, and the separation of content and form". I do not consider myself an expert in this area, but based on that description, I believe Flare falls into that category. Mark -Original Message- From: Framers On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sen

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare isn't structured. The topic source is XHTML. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: > As others have mentioned, it depends on your experience. We were using > unstructured Frame, so going from that to structured, topic-based authoring >

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia)
could adapt to Flare quickly. Mark -Original Message- From: Shmuel Wolfson Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 12:19 PM To: Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) ; Framers - frameusers.com Subject: Re: [Framers] Flare Does it have a steeper learning curve than Frame? On 26-Jun-18 6:51 PM

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
I'd had to learn CSS for lots of other reasons before I used it in Flare. The first time you define print layouts with CSS there are a lot of things to learn. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 9:36 AM, Jack DeLand wrote: > FWIW, I had taught RoboHelp for several years and wrote a chapte

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Jack DeLand
FWIW, I had taught RoboHelp for several years and wrote a chapter of one RoboHelp user guide. The big transition for me in moving to Flare was thinking up how to do page layouts using CSS and HTML as opposed to the more traditional DTP mindset. I don't think anything would be gained by expa

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
Depends on your experience. I had used RoboHelp before I used Flare and they're generally very similar. Most of my problems with Flare were due to bad UI design or incomplete or confusing documentation. Often I couldn't find features that I knew were in there someplace. I got answers

Re: [Framers] Flare

2018-06-26 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Does it have a steeper learning curve than Frame? On 26-Jun-18 6:51 PM, Eichelberger, Mark (King of Prussia) wrote: Rick, I still consider myself a bit of a novice in Flare since, in my opinion, it has a steep learning curve. But Madcap offers plenty of videos and free webinars on the

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to MadCap Flare not going well

2018-06-19 Thread M Lee
h he relied heavily upon and declared to be worth every penny. > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:19 PM, M Lee wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I've been tasked with taking our 3,000 pages of FrameMaker docs to MadCap > > Flare for HTML output. I haven't had much luck

Re: [Framers] FrameMaker to MadCap Flare not going well

2018-06-19 Thread John Sgammato
One of the writers on my team did that, but we had paid for the Platinum Support, which he relied heavily upon and declared to be worth every penny. On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 4:19 PM, M Lee wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been tasked with taking our 3,000 pages of FrameMaker docs to MadC

[Framers] FrameMaker to MadCap Flare not going well

2018-06-19 Thread M Lee
Hi All, I've been tasked with taking our 3,000 pages of FrameMaker docs to MadCap Flare for HTML output. I haven't had much luck with the process. I took a training course, but it was mostly about how Flare is laid out and how to do basic tasks in Flare. The FrameMaker to Flare conv

Re: [Framers] former Adobe evangelist Maxwell Hoffman now working for MadCap & blogging about migrating to Flare

2016-06-01 Thread Robert Lauriston
To me, a modern authoring tool should be: - client-server with a web client - multi-user - integrated with a wiki - built on a database instead of files I don't really see Flare as much better than or different from FrameMaker + RoboHelp. Many of the things Hoffman is lauding

[Framers] former Adobe evangelist Maxwell Hoffman now working for MadCap & blogging about migrating to Flare

2016-06-01 Thread Robert Lauriston
http://www.madcapsoftware.com/blog/2016/03/10/modern-content-development-introduction-moving-away-document-centric-workflow/ ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at ht

RE: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-15 Thread Rick Quatro
Publishing Inc. 585-366-4017 r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Chris Despopoulos Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 1:12 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Flare vs DITA Using Make

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-15 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Using Maker eliminates FO.  Instead, you set up a Maker template, and work in near WYSIWYG.  If you will use Maker, definitely, use structured Maker.  You could use a simplified structure -- not necessarily DITA.  For example, why not use XHTML?  Then you can make your PDF look like whatever you

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Gillian Flato
c. > 585-366-4017 > r...@frameexpert.com <mailto:r...@frameexpert.com> > > > > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:39 PM > To: Gillian Flato > Cc:

RE: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Rick Quatro
Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 2:39 PM To: Gillian Flato Cc: Framers Subject: Re: Flare vs DITA Gillian, when you were talking about scripts... Could you fill us in on what they do and why they're required? I've never seen a DITA project (other than legacy p

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
Given that you're a very advanced user, you should just get the free trial of Flare and draw your own conclusions as to whether it would be cost-effective for your purposes. On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Gillian Flato wrote: > I have used unstructured Frame for 15 years. I am an

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Art Campbell
I want to use Frame unstructured or structured for > a new project. There are no legacy docs. > > -Gillian > > > > On Apr 14, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > > If you DON'T have FrameMaker or aren't familiar with using it to > >

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Gillian Flato
:44 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > If you DON'T have FrameMaker or aren't familiar with using it to > author DITA, and aren't chained to DITA, Flare would probably be way, > way easier. > > There's probably some set of requirements where structured FrameM

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Robert Lauriston
If you DON'T have FrameMaker or aren't familiar with using it to author DITA, and aren't chained to DITA, Flare would probably be way, way easier. There's probably some set of requirements where structured FrameMaker would be the best and/or most cost-effective tool for the

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Shmuel
Flare vs. Frame with DITA-FMx sounds like a toss-up. I assume you are familiar with Frame, since you are asking on this list, so why start with something new? -- Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 13-Apr-15 8:20 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: Thanks everyone. Sorry I wasn’t clear

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-14 Thread Chris Despopoulos
for a manageable set of docs that don't need to take advantage of re-use and other DITA power-tools, then the answer is easy.  Flare is easier to use than DITA.  But that answer is so very dependent on context that it's really meaningless.  Flare is easier if...  (add a long list of

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Writer
Lauriston Cc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Flare vs DITA Thanks everyone. Sorry I wasn’t clear. I’ve used DITA for about two years authoring with Oxygen and EasyDITA. I outsourced my script writing to a third party. That’s the problem

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Gillian Flato
. I was looking for cheaper alternatives. I have used DITA-FMx and I may go that route. I just wanted to know of Flare was a better alternative to structured Frame with DITA-FMx Thanks Gillian > On Apr 13, 2015, at 9:08 AM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > You can write topics with any

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
If your docs are translated, ask your translation service what they think about Flare vs. DITA. You can get a 30-day free trial of Flare. Import your DITA and see how it compares. There can be a steep learning curve at first but once you find all the features you need it's very flexible. O

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
Flare's not a DITA authoring tool the way Oxygen, XMetal, or structured FrameMaker are. Oxygen is kind of like a DITA-based Flare. Flare can export DITA, but since Flare's source is not as structured, the DITA output might need some work before it would be usable. Anything you *ca

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Robert Lauriston
You can write topics with any tool, but Flare sort of forces you to, since the source is one file per topic (at least down to some heading level). Flare templates are extremely customizable. On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: > How does Flare compare to DITA? It seems l

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread gr...@hedgewizard.net
My apologies for the format; I seem to be thinking in bullets this morning. * Flare is a tool; DITA is a standard (or collection of standards). * You can use Flare to produce DITA (http://webhelp.madcapsoftware.com/flare11/Content/DITA/About_DITA.htm) * There are multiple other tools that can

RE: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Abungu, Salome
page alone has great articles that can help to get you going. Be sure to look at a number of applications beyond Flare and FrameMaker. For example, there is also Oxygen XML Editor. The DITA.XML has a Products tab where you can compare applications based on the features that are necessary to

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Writer
Gillian asked: "How does Flare compare to DITA? It seems like you get all of the advantages of topic-baesd authoring, without having to have someone write scripts for you. Has anyone tried modifying their templates? How easy or difficult is that. How is their help file making product?&

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Yves Barbion
example to insert (warning) symbols Cheers Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > I think you answered your own question -- if you do need custom scripts to > do DITA and the company can't afford it, it can't afford it. > >

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Art Campbell
I think you answered your own question -- if you do need custom scripts to do DITA and the company can't afford it, it can't afford it. Given that you probably know FM better than Flare, I'd do FM over Flare because unstructured Flare isn't going to buy you much, if anything,

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-13 Thread Shmuel
r 052-763-7133 On 12-Apr-15 10:52 PM, Gillian Flato wrote: How does Flare compare to DITA? It seems like you get all of the advantages of topic-baesd authoring, without having to have someone write scripts for you. Has anyone tried modifying their templates? How easy or difficult is that. How is

Re: Flare vs DITA

2015-04-12 Thread Art Campbell
DITA is a standard for producing documentation. Frame, Flare, and a small herd of other editors can create documents that support the DITA standards. So you're kind of asking an apples and oranges question -- one doesn't equal the other; the editors all have different ways of produci

Flare vs DITA

2015-04-12 Thread Gillian Flato
How does Flare compare to DITA? It seems like you get all of the advantages of topic-baesd authoring, without having to have someone write scripts for you. Has anyone tried modifying their templates? How easy or difficult is that. How is their help file making product? Thanks Gillian

Re: Framemaker vs Flare for pdfs

2015-02-26 Thread Robert Lauriston
I had a similar experience with Flare 7.1. We had a really, really long list of table-related PDF bugs. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Philo Calhoun wrote: > I tried unsuccessfully a year ago to move from FrameMaker to Flare. After > months with tech support to deal with various b

Framemaker vs Flare for pdfs

2015-02-26 Thread Philo Calhoun
I tried unsuccessfully a year ago to move from FrameMaker to Flare. After months with tech support to deal with various bugs in Flare, I concluded that it was only a reasonable option for simpler documents that were destined for web based delivery. PDFs particularly, were not as reliable as FM

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-26 Thread Art Campbell
I haven't used Flare actively in a year or so... but after several years daily experience, I'd say: - Fewer bugs -- nope - Better conversion -- depends. I use MIF2Go to get to HTML/RTF/XHTML. Flare isn't better than that. FM 12 is pretty good for exporting. Flare is ade

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-26 Thread Kevin Ryan
nd that my company is not responsible for how the Word content is used. Kevin -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:13 AM To: Kevin Ryan; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-26 Thread Harding, Dan
to no avail. -Dan From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:10 PM To: John Sgammato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Kevin Ryan Subject: Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs I'd second

Re: OT: Word (was Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs)

2015-02-26 Thread Roger Shuttleworth
Hi Steve Very amusing, but only to those observing. I'm sure we all have similar horror stories. Mine was a 75-page RFP that Sales said "has to go out this afternoon". The future of the known universe depended on it. The sales guy had fiddled, and it had blown up, so he passed it to me. By ab

OT: Word (was Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs)

2015-02-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
I do not think I have posted this story to this group before, so, as Word is being discussed... This really happened: I was there, I watched. Long time ago, I worked as a contractor for a small but upwardly mobile company. At that time the staff occupied a single floor of an office block in W

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-26 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 20:21 + 25/2/15, Kevin Ryan wrote: >Our customers (utilities) have been requesting another MS Word output: >Editable MS Word versions of our 20-300 page PDF manuals so that they can edit >them for their own purposes (such as internal training). This has been an interesting and informati

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-26 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried
Hi, In my company there are also discussions to choose MadCap Flare as a common authoring tool. I see different requirements among us. Some need HTML or CHM, others only PDF. The arguments from MadCap Flare users here are: o Less bugs. o Better conversion to CHM and HTML. o Better support. (I do

RE: Welcome back! (Was: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs)

2015-02-25 Thread Combs, Richard (CW)
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RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
amers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Ryan Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 2:34 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs Thank you to everyone who commented on my question. Looks like I may have been underestimating the Mif2go program I have already

Welcome back! (Was: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs)

2015-02-25 Thread Lea Rush
nd delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard (CW) Sent: February 25, 2015 2:06 PM To: 'Kevin Ryan'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Frame vs. Fl

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Kevin Ryan
ld explode if you actually tried to change anything in Word. We have a lot of complex graphics in our Frame files: For example, frames containing a screen shot, arrows, text boxes, cross references, etc. (the works). Flare conversion seems to ignore or mishandle any graphic in which the screen s

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Art Campbell
I'd second John. Current FM output ain't bad, and if you want better, MIF2Go RTF is really good. I'd stick with FM and upgrade to a non-antique version (speaking with 4 year's Flare experience) because that conversion isn't really what Flare does better. Art Cam

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Craig Ede
Full Acrobat has Save As options to .docx and doc that are not too bad. You wouldn't want to try to round-trip docs in and out of FrameMaker using that kind of workflow, however. Craig ___ You are currently

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Combs, Richard (CW)
rs.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:36 PM To: 'Kevin Ryan'; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs Hi Kevin, If you are using Mif2Go for HTML, you can set it up to output RTF as well. This should satisfy the MS Word req

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Craig, Alison
lto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Ryan Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 12:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs Hi, I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me,

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Robert Lauriston
Have you tried MIF2Go's Word output? It worked great for me. RoboHelp can also convert FrameMaker to Word, but I think MIF2Go is better. You might also try FrameMaker 12 (you could just use one copy as a conversion tool). If your outputs are PDF and Word, I think switching to Flare would

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Lin Sims
< kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from > Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly > the right way to go. > > > > My company's prima

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread David Spreadbury
Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the right way to go.   My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the current Frame version, I know, but sufficient with our good templates to produce

Re: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread John Sgammato
FM12 has very good output to Microsoft Word. I use it all the time for internal use. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:21 PM, Kevin Ryan < kevin.r...@systemsandsoftware.net> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from > Frame to F

RE: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Rick Quatro
...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Ryan Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:21 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Frame vs. Flare for My Needs Hi, I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame to Flare might

Frame vs. Flare for My Needs

2015-02-25 Thread Kevin Ryan
Hi, I could use the advice of some Frame veterans on whether a switch from Frame to Flare might be a delusion-inspired wrong turn for me, or possibly the right way to go. My company's primary documentation output is PDF user/training/reference guides authored on FrameMaker 7. Not the cu

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-31 Thread Alan Litchfield
se do send me your detailed reasons in an off-list e-mail ? >>>>> would like to know /your/ decision trigger! For me, it was the (a) >>>>> recent over-pricing for some version upgrades that should have >>>>> been done as free bug fixes, (b) the Adobe tr

Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Alan Litchfield
the change is large enough, I move it off FrameMaker. That takes a couple of days – even for the large documents – and then I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from FrameMaker. However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite capabl

RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
.frameusers.com Subject: RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare No, he's saying that TeX Live (the name is officially two words, BTW, which is kind of refreshing in the CamelCaseWorld of TeX and LaTeX) is a *distribution* of TeX, in the same sense that

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare No, he's saying that TeX Live (the name is officially two words, BTW, which is kind of refreshing in the CamelCaseWorld of TeX and LaTeX) is a *distribution* of TeX, in th

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
ment of small users (i.e., number of licenses) >>>> from their multi-year update licensing system. >>>> >>>> Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am >>>> /only/ using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if >>>&

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Fred Ridder
ish -- Migrating from FrameMaker > to Flare > > Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an editor > like TeXstudio? > Is it compatible with TeXstudio? > Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text editor? > > Regards, >

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Alan Litchfield
On 30/10/13 7:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > PDF generation with intra-document references is one of the limitations in > Adobe Acrobat equivalents from other sources (when used with FrameMaker) - > Rick Quatro had mentioned this in a response to one of my earlier p

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Alan Litchfield
Unless/when print technologies change, then you might need that step. Until then your existing Acrobat will continue to work with the old license. I still run a #8 version on an old computer. Alan On 30/10/13 5:54 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: > I'm in that crowd, too. My books go to press and I us

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Alan Litchfield
users (i.e., number of licenses) >>> from their multi-year update licensing system. >>> >>> Today, *all* my new documents are no longer in FrameMaker. I am >>> /only/ using it for maintaining and changing old documents, and if >>> the change is large e

RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Fred Ridder
rating from FrameMaker > to Flare > > Are you saying that TeXLive is sort of a flavor of LaTex, not an editor > like TeXstudio? > Is it compatible with TeXstudio? > Do you use an authoring tool with TeXLive other that a simple text editor? > > Regards, > Shmuel Wo

Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Robert Lauriston
g it for > output (for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are going > full circle back to the division of labor that existing in the typesetting > era. That is why there may be a revival in the LaTex world: it has always > separated authoring and rendering.

RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread gr...@hedgewizard.net
SIWYG "in this century." The whole XML-authoring world, with DITA, > S1000D, DocBook, etc., is a move away from WSIWYG authoring tools. > Increasingly, authoring content is being separated from rendering it for > output (for example, with applications like Flare). In a sense, we are

Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-30 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
I am fine for the future! In time, all my old documents will be moved from FrameMaker. However, I have not chosen Flare as my platform, although it looks quite capable. Switching to it is expensive (of course, if they made me a $199 one-time offer to switch from FrameMaker to Flare, I woul

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-29 Thread Steve Rickaby
At 21:02 -0500 28/10/13, Mike Wickham wrote: >Nobody needs PDF unless they want to create documents that will retain fonts >and formatting to display identically on every computer. But if you want that, >you want PDF-- and you probably want Acrobat because it is the most stable and >full-featur

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-29 Thread Alan Litchfield
er 26, 2013 10:13 AM > *To:* FrameMaker Forum; TCS-Users at googlegroups.com > *Subject:* So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from > FrameMaker to Flare > > Hi all, > > I have used FrameMaker for over 5 years. I have used it to produce > thousands of pages of documentation. A

RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-29 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Uh dummy me - hyperref is what I am already using. Just haven't explored all the options yet ... Z > That looks good indeed - the description is exactly what I want! I will have > to try it out. > Thanks much, > Z On 30/10/13 7:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: > PDF g

So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-29 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Uh dummy me - hyperref is what I am already using. Just haven't explored all the options yet ... Z > That looks good indeed - the description is exactly what I want! I will have > to try it out. > Thanks much, > Z On 30/10/13 7:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > PD

RE: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare

2013-10-29 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: So Long and Thanks for the Fish -- Migrating from FrameMaker to Flare On 30/10/13 7:25 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote: > PDF generation with intra-document references is one of the limitations in > Adobe Acrobat equivalent

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