ubjective matter.
And the list of them is boring.
I point at some peculiarities that I sense presence of.
I would like people to make their own thinking.
I am not in love with BSD derived operating systems.
I see things in GNU userland and Linux that adhere to Unix philosophy
more than in
*** Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat [2020-06-06 12:08]:
>All operating systems and licenses have got pros and cons.
>If you want to compare operating systems and licenses you should list
>pros and cons of the mentioned operating systems, excluding untruth.
Very true! Several months ago I wrote an
My very last comment ;).
Standard not as in POSIX, but related to a group of software:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Qi dssi lv2 | grep License
Licenses: BSD LGPL
Licenses: ISC
BSD and BSD alike side by side with the GPL.
Btw. I'm in favour of audio units
https
PPS:
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 12:19:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote:
>> [rocketmouse@archlinux extra-x86_64]$ grep python2\ waf\ configure
>> PKGBUILD -A7
>> python2 waf configure --prefix=/usr \
>> --configdir=/etc \
>>
Correction of a few typos I noticed:
On Sat, 2020-06-06 at 12:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat wrote:
> All operating systems and licenses have got pros and cons.
> If you want to compare operating systems and licenses you should list
> pros and cons of the mentioned operating systems,
All operating systems and licenses have got pros and cons.
If you want to compare operating systems and licenses you should list
pros and cons of the mentioned operating systems, excluding untruth.
If you just want to mention pros of an operating system and
licenses, don't add comparisons at all
On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 11:41 AM Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-chat
wrote:
>
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:51:56 +0300, Yury Grebenkin wrote:
> >Please, let me know if something is inaccurate in the article:
> >
> >Why I support BSD software
> >https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.c
On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 10:51:56 +0300, Yury Grebenkin wrote:
>Please, let me know if something is inaccurate in the article:
>
>Why I support BSD software
>https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.com/bsd/
This is absolutely correct, you are just missing a few points. For
example, the Free Softwar
Hi all,
Please, let me know if something is inaccurate in the article:
Why I support BSD software
https://yvgrebenkin.wordpress.com/bsd/
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On 03/20/15 17:49, Eitan Adler wrote:
On 20 March 2015 at 10:50, Jeremy C. Reed r...@reedmedia.net wrote:
Anyone heard of any university/college scholarships for studies or
community involvement related to open source or BSD?
http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-09-21-SFU-open-source
or BSD?
http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2014-09-21-SFU-open-source-software-engagement-award.html
Indeed, I created this because I wanted to contribute to both open source
software and my alma mater, and nothing of the sort existed yet.
If anyone wants to replicate this, I'd suggest
On 20 March 2015 at 10:50, Jeremy C. Reed r...@reedmedia.net wrote:
Anyone heard of any university/college scholarships for studies or
community involvement related to open source or BSD?
I only found one: http://opensourcescholars.org/ but date seems to be a
couple years old. It is about
Anyone heard of any university/college scholarships for studies or
community involvement related to open source or BSD?
I only found one: http://opensourcescholars.org/ but date seems to be a
couple years old. It is about: This is a scholarship to motivate young
adults to become involved
Hi!
I'm supporting a proposal to create a new QA website for users of BSD
Variants: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, DragonFly, PC-BSD, TrueBSD and so on.
It's built on the same software as stackoverflow.com, a hugely popular site
where over seven million programmers help each other with difficult
Tony Sidaway wrote, On 11/19/2013 12:25:
It's spam-free
But it's 900913...
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At 04:25 AM 11/19/2013, Tony Sidaway wrote:
If you're using Google+, this community brings together all BSD systems and
BSD-related projects
If you're using Google+, this community brings together all BSD systems and
BSD-related projects. I started it so I could keep in touch with what's
going on in other BSDs while I happily use my chosen system, and that's
pretty much how it works out.
It's spam-free and 100% on topic, and mostly
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 07:50:52PM - I heard the voice of
s...@tormail.org, and lo! it spake thus:
However, there are some things that have definitely changed in our
OS that I think should be added. This article really needs to be
modernized to today's standards with a list of updated
same packages for every release (i.e. NetBSD 6 and FreeBSD 9 do not
use the same version of GNOME-2 desktop; poor example), and that generally
per BSD release they generally blob the binaries that are compatible for
that release together.
No, pkgsrc is one for everyone, unless someone maintains
?)
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Martin martin.kelly4...@gmail.com wrote:
I understand that, what your not getting is that i am talking about the
release schedule of the individual BSD distros not the release schedule of
pkgsrc.
On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 7:02 PM, John Marino net...@marino.st
On 12/4/2012 16:07, Martin wrote:
Sorry forget that last message.
GNOME was a bad example, but you did in essence you clarify my point.
That FreeBSD or whichever one you talk about may or may not be using a
different pkgsrc branch.
I didn't call any components standardized, i said even if you
Don't get me wrong, i am not criticising pkgsrc or intentionally trying get
people offside.
So aside from the obvious differences and limitations (i.e. manpower,
design of each BSD system) What is stopping per say DragonflyBSD or any
other BSD from using packages from FreeBSD or vice versa
On 12/4/2012 16:42, Martin wrote:
Don't get me wrong, i am not criticising pkgsrc or intentionally trying
get people offside.
So aside from the obvious differences and limitations (i.e. manpower,
design of each BSD system) What is stopping per say DragonflyBSD or any
other BSD from using
On 11/13/12 2:45 AM, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:08:08AM +0100, Joost van de Griek wrote:
On 12 Nov 2012, at 21:37 , Robin Björklin robin.bjork...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four largest BSD
variants out
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Hub- FreeBSD free...@hub.org wrote:
Actually, according to what we are tracking at http://bsdstats.org, there are
currently *8*:
PC-BSD
FreeBSD
PYC-BSD (aka Rus-BSD)
DesktopBSD
OpenBSD
NetBSD
DragonflyBSD
MidnightBSD
Tracking something like
On 2012-11-16 12:48, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Hub- FreeBSD free...@hub.org wrote:
Actually, according to what we are tracking at http://bsdstats.org, there are
currently *8*:
PC-BSD
FreeBSD
PYC-BSD (aka Rus-BSD)
DesktopBSD
OpenBSD
NetBSD
DragonflyBSD
MidnightBSD
On 2012-11-16, at 5:52 AM, Johnny Billquist b...@update.uu.se wrote:
On 2012-11-16 12:48, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Hub- FreeBSD free...@hub.org wrote:
Actually, according to what we are tracking at http://bsdstats.org, there
are currently *8*:
PC-BSD
:
Actually, according to what we are tracking at
http://bsdstats.org, there are currently *8*:
PC-BSD
FreeBSD
PYC-BSD (aka Rus-BSD)
DesktopBSD
OpenBSD
NetBSD
DragonflyBSD
MidnightBSD
Tracking something like DesktopBSD which doesn't exist for quite a
long time make statistics not much
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote:
b) Besides - I question the notion of unchanging == dead.
Amen!
Sometimes, you just don't need to be twiddling in the code for
your software to work.
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 14:18, Martin wrote:
My point is about the possibility of creating a new BSD project (with
separate developers) that aims for 100% compatibility with at least
FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and maybe DragonflyBSD.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012, at 22:43, matthew sporleder wrote
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:08:08AM +0100, Joost van de Griek wrote:
On 12 Nov 2012, at 21:37 , Robin Björklin robin.bjork...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four largest
BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of each
to compromise and see the bigger
picture and the good of the cause.
Now over to the reason for my post.
As all of you probably know there's a lot of buzz around Gnu/Linux these
days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm wondering is why
the BSD community which from what I can
largest BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of each
and create a Unified BSD?
You'd end up creating a fifth.
At least a sixth, IIRC. You left out MirBSD from your distribution list.
Also, you could argue that Minix, with its NetBSD compatibility,
is a seventh
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 01:04:27PM +0100, Lars Engels wrote:
MirBSD / MirOS is dead:
http://www.freshbsd.org/search?project=mirbsd
Last commit: 2011-08-29 23:00:00
I'm no Mir* co-worker, so take this with a grain of salt. But on
general principles:
a) I question the date itself - that's
mksh is certainly not, and I use it daily
on FreeBSD and really like it.
The same I could say about openntpd
from OpenBSD.
Isn't it like it should be then?
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On 2012-11-13 11:45, Ignatios Souvatzis wrote:
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:08:08AM +0100, Joost van de Griek wrote:
On 12 Nov 2012, at 21:37 , Robin Björklin robin.bjork...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four largest BSD
variants out
No offense Ignatios Souvatzis but your reference to Minix being a 7th BSD
distro is like saying FreeBSD (or any of the other major BSDs) is another
Linux because of its inter-compatibility for certain user-land components
and various shared code. Minix has a minimal amount of NetBSD code and most
crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four
largest BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of
each and create a Unified BSD?
You'd end up creating a fifth.
At least a sixth, IIRC. You left out MirBSD from your distribution list.
Also, you could
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Ignatios Souvatzis
ignat...@cs.uni-bonn.de wrote:
At least a sixth, IIRC. You left out MirBSD from your distribution list.
Also, you could argue that Minix, with its NetBSD compatibility,
is a seventh and MacOS-X, with its partially (Free-/Net-)BSD compatible
wrote:
On 12 Nov 2012, at 21:37 , Robin Björklin robin.bjork...@gmail.com
wrote:
Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four
largest BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of each
and create a Unified BSD?
You'd end up creating a fifth
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
And what about 2BSD, BSD 3 and BSD 4 with all their releases?
(And I assume that there was probably something that in retrospect would
have been called 1BSD as well...)
No they were sequential from same team
to the reason for my post.
As all of you probably know there's a lot of buzz around Gnu/Linux these
days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm wondering is why
the BSD community which from what I can gather isn't as big as the Linux
community have decided to split their resources
, 2012 at 10:08:08AM +0100, Joost van de Griek wrote:
On 12 Nov 2012, at 21:37 , Robin Björklin robin.bjork...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four largest BSD
variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of each and create a
Unified BSD
these
days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm wondering is why
the BSD community which from what I can gather isn't as big as the Linux
community have decided to split their resources into several different
projects/forks/distributions. To me it seems *BSD would be in a more
Yes, your bat crap crazy :-)
All of these variants inherit from the same unified BSD 4.4 base code as far
as I know. So years ago there were reasons that groups wanted to spilt off
and focus on specific goals. Some of these goals are mutually exclusive.
These BSD variants are not really
drivers... etc).
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On 12 November 2012 22:37, Robin Björklin robin.bjork...@gmail.com wrote:
As all of you probably know there's a lot of buzz around Gnu/Linux these
days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm wondering is why
the BSD community which from what I can gather isn't as big as the Linux
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Robin Björklin
robin.bjork...@gmail.com wrote:
Am I bat crap crazy for thinking it could be good to merge the four largest
BSD variants out there, take the best bits and pieces out of each and
create a Unified BSD?
you are not crazy for thinking
of the cause.
Now over to the reason for my post.
As all of you probably know there's a lot of buzz around Gnu/Linux these
days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm wondering is
why
the BSD community which from what I can gather isn't as big as the Linux
community have decided
You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that the Linux
world is unified. It isn't.
The big difference between Linux and the BSDs is that it alienates
itself from the BSDs and many other projects by using a viral,
business-hostile license. The BSDs can draw on one another's work
probably know there's a lot of buzz around Gnu/Linux
these days and I'm pretty sure you couldn't care less. What I'm
wondering is why the BSD community which from what I can gather
isn't as big as the Linux community have decided to split their
resources into several different projects/forks
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:14 PM, Greg 'groggy' Lehey g...@freebsd.org wrote:
- Then DragonflyBSD split from FreeBSD. Mainly personality driven
AFAICT. Again, this doesn't imply any criticism of the founder of
the new project.
There were some very valid technical reasons at the time as
The reason was actually intellectual property based between ATT and the
proprietary BSD/386 if your talking BSD4.4. That was the core reason for
why FreeBSD and NetBSD started.
So really it isn't that crazy, more highly unlikely that your going to get
the core developers of each project to abandon
:
( BTW though I'm British but in Germany, Germany is far
more signifcant in this regard than eg UK of GB, eg Linux mag.
has 3 times the circulation in Germany as UK, whenever
I'm in UK I never see Linux mags in book shops etc ( of
course no BSD) just MS, whereas here
We have a couple of BSD people getting together for some birds of a
feather type chitchat.
It's a restaurant near Central, Square, Cambridge, MA, Wednesday Nov 4,
7:00 p.m.
Please email for the particular place, I need to keep track so that we
get a big enough table.
Martin
Three RSVPs so far.
Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
Von: Martin Cracauer craca...@cons.org
Datum: 28. Oktober 2009 19:08:59 GMT-04:00
Betreff: BSD meeting - Wed Nov 4 evening
Well, this is the list of interested parties. There were more for a
dinner meeting.
So I'll say:
- Wed, Nov 4
, has released the first
alpha (0.1) image of his new project: BSD Router Project -
http://bsdrp.net
bsdrp is an open source, customised distribution of FreeBSD dedicated
to offering IP routing services for small ISP's.
The release 0.1 of BSDRP is a fully working prototype, to be used on
real
Your summary and timeline are accurate. Bill singlehanded started the
BSD distributions in 1977. 1BSD had Pascal, csh, and ex. Bill wrote
the first two and vastly improved an editor that he got from someone
else. By 2BSD he had contributions from other graduate students at
Berkeley including
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Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +, Rick N wrote:
(Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's
(and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the
BSD/Unix which later he took
On Wednesday, 22 April 2009 at 20:07:54 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote:
On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +, Rick N wrote:
(Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's
(and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the
BSD/Unix
On Tuesday, 21 April 2009 at 11:05:24 +, Rick N wrote:
(Actually) and Histrorically, Sun had a lot to do with the BSD's
(and vice-versa), Bill Joy's early work and contibution to the
BSD/Unix which later he took to form a little company called Sun
Microsytems in the late '70's
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Short version: bullshit.
The slightly longer version is that this is unfounded speculation - not
even that, it's just a random blogger expressing a wish that Apple would
do something which they most likely have no reason for or interest in
doing.
It also greatly
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Jason C. Wells wrote:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Short version: bullshit.
The slightly longer version is that this is unfounded speculation - not
even that, it's just a random blogger expressing a wish that Apple would
do something which they
Can anyone here help with posting to bsd.slashdot.org? It seems like it
rarely published what is submitted. My own experience and others have told
me that they have submitted BSD news that is never published there.
Also what is your favorite reliable BSD news site?
I know of a BSD book review
Does anyone know of any BSD user group in Dallas or Fort Worth, Texas?
(I found DFWUUG, but I was told that the public mailing list is for paying
members only. And I found a local Linux users group there, but they use a
Yahoo mailing list and Yahoo's server sends invalid emails.)
Jeremy C
impressive.
Aaron Holmes
Liam J. Foy wrote:
Hello!
Am emailing to let you guys know of a small site I have put
to together:
http://metawire.org/~liamfoy/bsdportal/
It contains most BSD related RSS feeds I can find (although I never
looked hard).
The initial idea behind the site
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