--- Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/20/06, Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > User manuals and how-tos don't generally get
> > copyright notices, because there is nothing
> > creative about it. Someone could write
> exactly
> > the same thing (just about), and you'd hav
> I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am
> afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It
> constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys
> only facts and facts are not eligible for copyright.
Wow, you are
On 6/20/06, Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
User manuals and how-tos don't generally get
copyright notices, because there is nothing
creative about it. Someone could write exactly
the same thing (just about), and you'd have
little claim to it because its just a procedural
description. Wh
> 2) Using terms like "malicious" without proof (and it appears the claim
>was completely false based on follow-ups since the user group
> in question
>added an attribute once they were notified) reduces your credibility
>immensely. If anything, if the HouFUG were anywhere as
> litigu
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006, Lowell Gilbert wrote:
> "David Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > 4) Discussions of copyright seem appropriate for freebsd-standard, since any
> > reputable organization that publishes material with computers today makes a
> > good faith effort to ensure they do not v
"David Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 4) Discussions of copyright seem appropriate for freebsd-standard, since any
> reputable organization that publishes material with computers today makes a
> good faith effort to ensure they do not violate any copyright. It is
> therefore a de facto st
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > You are wrong. The method or process is patentable. A written
> > description of the method or process is copyrightable.
>
> howto change oil
> 1. remove oil cap
> 2. drain oil
> 3. remove filter
> 4.
Can we remove a few of the mailing lists from this please? Perhaps
all of them?
Thanks,
Colman
On 20 Jun 2006, at 12:59, Dennis Olvany wrote:
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Johnathan Michaels hit on the next point I would like to make and
that is the
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Johnathan Michaels hit on the next point I would like to make and
that is the distinction between patent and copyright. A method or
process may be patented, but the factual written procedure of such
may not be copyrighted. I'll
On Sunday 18 June 2006 21:54, David Hoffman wrote:
> However, most of what you wrote is incorrect. Are you seriously trying to
> tell us that the author's name is 'Brett Soupman'? That seems like a
> pseudonym at best. It's hardly clear he's given you permission to republish
> the work, let alone
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Johnathan Michaels hit on the next point I would like to make and
> that is the distinction between patent and copyright. A method or
> process may be patented, but the factual written procedure of such
> may not be copyrighted. I'll follow up with some e
On 6/19/06, Frank Laszlo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What does this entire thread have to do with freebsd user groups? Just
because the allege copyright infringement is against such a group,
doesn't mean everyone else has to hear about it. Please remove it from
future CC's. Thanks.
Regards,
On 6/19/06, John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sunday 18 June 2006 19:49, David Hoffman wrote:
> * *It appears the page at
> http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htmconstitutes a serious
> breach of copyright. The article, which was
> originally written and posted to the Internet
Please note that they modified the page several times while I was involved
in this discussion. That specific comment was about an old revision.
However, the current version of the site still has a problem: while the
HouFUG copyright notice could be in reference to the page and not the
article,
Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
The concept of a fact obviously may not be copyrighted because it is
merely a concept. Barring descriptive literary devices, the facts may be
copied at will in their expressed form. A photo, being a descriptive
device, is cop
On 6/19/06, Christopher Weldon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Brett wrote:
> Obviously, you have never spent days trying out a relatively
> undocumented procedure, finally getting it right, and then decided to
> help others out by writing a howto documen
What does this entire thread have to do with freebsd user groups? Just
because the allege copyright infringement is against such a group,
doesn't mean everyone else has to hear about it. Please remove it from
future CC's. Thanks.
Regards,
Frank
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Brett wrote:
> Obviously, you have never spent days trying out a relatively
> undocumented procedure, finally getting it right, and then decided to
> help others out by writing a howto document. I am perfectly happy
> that Ingrid decided to host this
On 6/19/06, Danial Thom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Its interesting that the same types of people who
whine incessently about things like open source
will get all worked up about a "copyright" on
some stupid how-to "article".
You know what they say; if its not worth money,
you might as well get
On Sunday 18 June 2006 19:49, David Hoffman wrote:
> * *It appears the page at
> http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htmconstitutes a serious
> breach of copyright. The article, which was
> originally written and posted to the Internet by the owner of the account
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], is fal
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The concept of a fact obviously may not be copyrighted because it is
> merely a concept. Barring descriptive literary devices, the facts may be
> copied at will in their expressed form. A photo, being a descriptive
> device, is copyrightable. Consideri
--- David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Update: their website now attributes copyright
> to both HouFUG AND Brett.
> This is despite the fact that Brett seems to be
> the sole owner of the work.
> I'm not sure why this community feels it can
> disregard rights to
> intellectual property,
facts are not eligible for copyright.
plain facts are not copyrightable, as you point out, their expression
certainly is.
The concept of a fact obviously may not be copyrighted because it is
merely a concept. Barring descriptive literary devices, the facts may be
copied at will in their exp
Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am
> afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It
> constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys
> only facts and facts are not elig
"David Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It'll certainly be less confusing that what HouFUG is publishing. They've
> now noted on their site that it was written by you. However, they STILL
> claim they own the copyright.
No, they claim a copyright for their site, which is perfectly valid -
David Hoffman wrote:
Now, even if you're correct that Brett doesn't have a valid
copyright (which he does) and that unspecified entities unknown own
the copyright to the article (which they don't), we still have the
same problem: FreeBSD claiming to own something they don't, and
reebsd.org
Subject: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
-- Forwarded message --
From: David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jun 18, 2006 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
To: Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
While your moc
-- Forwarded message --
From: David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jun 18, 2006 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
To: Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
While your mocking post is certainly intended to bolster your point, it
instead b
On 6/18/06, David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> ...facts are not eligible for copyright.
>
> > I'm afraid you're incorrect. The work in question is indeed
> copyrightable
> > under the Berne Convention, which many countries have ra
David Hoffman wrote:
Update: their website now attributes copyright to both HouFUG AND Brett.
This is despite the fact that Brett seems to be the sole owner of the work.
I'm not sure why this community feels it can disregard rights to
intellectual property, especially when it produces so much on
bsd-questions@freebsd.org;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; thisdayislong; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Subject:* Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am
> afraid that you
ED]; thisdayislong; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fwd: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am
afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copy
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:44:02 -0500
"Ingrid Kast Fuller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If someone added it to the freebsd-config mailing list, they should not have
> mailed a copyritten piece on a mailing list for public use.
> This has been added to the bottom of the page since we are unsure of the
On 6/18/06, Dennis Olvany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am
afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It
constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys
only facts and facts are no
Update: their website now attributes copyright to both HouFUG AND Brett.
This is despite the fact that Brett seems to be the sole owner of the work.
I'm not sure why this community feels it can disregard rights to
intellectual property, especially when it produces so much on its OWN to be
proud o
I had a look at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm and I am
afraid that you will find this article is not eligible for copyright. It
constitutes neither an artistic nor literary work. The article conveys
only facts and facts are not eligible for copyright.
_
It'll certainly be less confusing that what HouFUG is publishing. They've
now noted on their site that it was written by you. However, they STILL
claim they own the copyright. Have you waived any of your exclusive rights
to the work?
On 6/18/06, Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello
I hope
Hello
I hope the DMCA copyright notice, found at
http://arbornet.org/~soup/dmca.html , clears up any confusion.
thank you!
On 6/18/06, Ingrid Kast Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I responded to Bretts email 6 minutes after he informed me there maybe a
problem with this article. He did NOT bo
6:49 PM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Cc:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org;
freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Subject:* [Hou-freebsd] Serious breach of copyright -- First post
**It appears the page at
http://www.houfug
I responded to Bretts email 6 minutes after he informed me there maybe a
problem with this article. He did NOT bother to tell me he was the owner of
it. All I knew is someone named Brett at [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
letting me know there was a problem. I immediately went to arbornet.org to
see where
Joe Holden wrote:
> David Hoffman wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Jun 18, 2006 8:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
>> To: Brett <[EMAIL PROTECT
David Hoffman wrote:
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Jun 18, 2006 8:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
> To: Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I think a formal apology should be iss
t@freebsd.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Hou-freebsd] Serious breach of copyright -- First post
It appears the page at http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm
constitutes a serious breach of copyright. The article, which was
originally written and posted to the Inter
-- Forwarded message --
From: David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Jun 18, 2006 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Serious breach of copyright -- First post
To: Brett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think a formal apology should be issued by the infringers.
Hasn't this gone on long
I hope we can reach an agreement on this as soon as possible.
J'espère qu'on puisse trouver un accord dans les plus brefs délais.
On 6/18/06, David Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It appears the page at
http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htm constitutes
a serious breach of copyright.
* *It appears the page at
http://www.houfug.org/help/install_freebsd.htmconstitutes a serious
breach of copyright. The article, which was
originally written and posted to the Internet by the owner of the account
[EMAIL PROTECTED], is falsely attributed to the Houston FUG, whose members
maliciousl
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