Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: : : Mark Murray writes: :Hi : :The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD :box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). : :Any

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Makoto Matsushita [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : culverk This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one : culverk don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch : culverk of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram :

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD : box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). : : Any objections to my committing this? Yes. This is a personal preference thing, and we already have

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread Mark Murray
I agree. I think that more ttys is a bad idea, since each one takes more memory as well (since the data space isn't shared). While this is a small amount, it is a pain for lower memory systems. I usually run three ttys myself (imp + root + spare), but it is a matter of taste. Each time

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Sep-2002 M. Warner Losh wrote: In message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: : : On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: : : Mark Murray writes: :Hi : :The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD :box (I like lots of

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread Andrew Gallatin
John Baldwin writes: Why? If someone hasn't done a MAKEDEV of the device, it is just as dead. MAKEDEV + kill -1 1 will bring it back if they didn't (untested, but it is the normal way to do these things). Agreed, that's why I said maybe b/c it would be preserving the behavior

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread Matthew Dillon
:John Baldwin writes: : Why? If someone hasn't done a MAKEDEV of the device, it is just as : dead. MAKEDEV + kill -1 1 will bring it back if they didn't : (untested, but it is the normal way to do these things). : : Agreed, that's why I said maybe b/c it would be preserving the :

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with FreeBSD? -- Marcin Cieslak // [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg43424/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with=20 FreeBSD? I don't know, but as those are in the vast minority, its perhaps OK to ask those folks to edit ttys to something more useful to them, rather than the other way round. :-) M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? Greedy VTY monster (cf. etc.i386/ttys,v 1.4). :-) Cheers, -- Ruslan

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Robert Watson
If you do make this change, make sure it's carefully documented in the release notes. Otherwise we're going to get a lot of surprised I can no longer get back to my X server after I switch away from it's. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Kenneth Culver
This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I know I don't really have a say, but I'm sure everyone has his or her

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I know I don't really have a say, but I'm sure everyone has his or

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Makoto Matsushita
culverk This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one culverk don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch culverk of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram Seconded. Two ttys are enough for me. Many getty(8) processes usually waste our process table

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:50:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Adrian Mugnolo
The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I do the opposite, and turn off five vty's to get just three [job control works for me]. -- IMHO a personal like/dislike shouldn't be a reason to

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video cards and use a serial console. With devfs this means

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Andrew Gallatin w rites: Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video

RE: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Mark Murray wrote: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? Yep. I think it's best just to leave things as they are. I pretty much have Alt-F9 hardcoded into my

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Mark Murray wrote: Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with=20 FreeBSD? I don't know, but as those are in the vast minority, its perhaps OK to ask those folks to edit ttys to something more useful to them, rather than the other way round. :-) If you add up

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Steve Kargl wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:50:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Guezou Philippe
Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video cards and use a serial console. With

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 11:08:41AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: On 26-Sep-2002 Steve Kargl wrote: I agree with Ken that this is a personal preference thingie. I have X tied to F8. There is no real reason for this choice other than inertia. I suspect people who use mergemaster

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: Mark Murray writes: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Takahashi Yoshihiro
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? PC-98x1 keyboards have only ten function keys. So, it is impossible to use F11

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-09-26 14:50, Mark Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:22 AM +0100 9/26/02, Mark Murray wrote: Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? I think the we will have more users who are hurt (or at least annoyed) by moving X, then we have