Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread Matthew Dillon
:John Baldwin writes: : > > Why? If someone hasn't done a MAKEDEV of the device, it is just as : > > dead. MAKEDEV + kill -1 1 will bring it back if they didn't : > > (untested, but it is the normal way to do these things). : > : > Agreed, that's why I said "maybe" b/c it would be preserving t

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread Andrew Gallatin
John Baldwin writes: > > Why? If someone hasn't done a MAKEDEV of the device, it is just as > > dead. MAKEDEV + kill -1 1 will bring it back if they didn't > > (untested, but it is the normal way to do these things). > > Agreed, that's why I said "maybe" b/c it would be preserving the >

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread John Baldwin
On 27-Sep-2002 M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >: >: On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: >: > >: > Mark Murray writes: >: > > Hi >: > > >: > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD >: >

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-27 Thread Mark Murray
> I agree. I think that more ttys is a bad idea, since each one takes > more memory as well (since the data space isn't shared). While this > is a small amount, it is a pain for lower memory systems. > > I usually run three ttys myself (imp + root + spare), but it is a > matter of taste. Each

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD : box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). : : Any objections to my committing this? Yes. This is a personal preference thing, and we already h

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Makoto Matsushita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : : culverk> This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one : culverk> don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch : culverk> of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram..

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread M. Warner Losh
In message: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : : On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: : > : > Mark Murray writes: : > > Hi : > > : > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD : > > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). :

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Garance A Drosihn
At 10:22 AM +0100 9/26/02, Mark Murray wrote: >Hi > >The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD >box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > >Any objections to my committing this? I think the we will have more users who are hurt (or at least annoyed) by moving X, then we hav

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Giorgos Keramidas
On 2002-09-26 14:50, Mark Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a > > lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going > > to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run > > k

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Takahashi Yoshihiro
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > Any objections to my committing this? PC-98x1 keyboards have only ten function keys. So, it is impossible to

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > Mark Murray writes: > > Hi > > > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > > > Any objections to my committing this? > > I object. > > Most of my machines are headless w

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 11:08:41AM -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 26-Sep-2002 Steve Kargl wrote: > > > > I agree with Ken that this is a personal preference > > thingie. I have X tied to F8. There is no real reason > > for this choice other than inertia. I suspect people who use > > merge

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Guezou Philippe
> > Mark Murray writes: > > Hi > > > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > > > Any objections to my committing this? > > I object. > > Most of my machines are headless without video cards and use a serial > c

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Steve Kargl wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:50:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: >> > This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a >> > lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going >> > to use is a waste of ram I usually

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Mark Murray wrote: >> Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with=20 >> FreeBSD? > > I don't know, but as those are in the vast minority, its perhaps > OK to ask those folks to edit ttys to something more useful to them, > rather than the other way round. :-) If you a

RE: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread John Baldwin
On 26-Sep-2002 Mark Murray wrote: > Hi > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > Any objections to my committing this? Yep. I think it's best just to leave things as they are. I pretty much have Alt-F9 hardcoded into

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Andrew Gallatin w rites: > >Mark Murray writes: > > Hi > > > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > > > Any objections to my committing this? > >I object. > >Most of my machines are head

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Andrew Gallatin
Mark Murray writes: > Hi > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > Any objections to my committing this? I object. Most of my machines are headless without video cards and use a serial console. With devfs this m

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Adrian Mugnolo
> The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I > like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > Any objections to my committing this? I do the opposite, and turn off five vty's to get just three [job control works for me]. -- IMHO a personal like/dislike shouldn't be a reason t

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Steve Kargl
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 02:50:20PM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: > > This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a > > lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going > > to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run > >

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Makoto Matsushita
culverk> This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one culverk> don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch culverk> of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram Seconded. Two ttys are enough for me. Many getty(8) processes usually waste our process table

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
> This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a > lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going > to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run > kdm. I know I don't really have a say, but I'm sure everyone has his

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Kenneth Culver
This seems a lot like personal preferance to me, I for one don't like a lot of tty's, because running getty on a bunch of ttys that I'm not going to use is a waste of ram I usually keep F1-F3 as ttys, and make F4 run kdm. I know I don't really have a say, but I'm sure everyone has his or her o

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Robert Watson
If you do make this change, make sure it's carefully documented in the release notes. Otherwise we're going to get a lot of surprised "I can no longer get back to my X server after I switch away from it"'s. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Ruslan Ermilov
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 10:22:15AM +0100, Mark Murray wrote: > Hi > > The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD > box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). > > Any objections to my committing this? > Greedy VTY monster (cf. etc.i386/ttys,v 1.4). :-) Cheers, -- Ruslan

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
> Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with=20 > FreeBSD? I don't know, but as those are in the vast minority, its perhaps OK to ask those folks to edit ttys to something more useful to them, rather than the other way round. :-) M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this .s

Re: ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Marcin Cieslak
Are old-style non-F11, F12 keyboards still working with FreeBSD? -- << Marcin Cieslak // [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> msg43424/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

ttys patch - any objections?

2002-09-26 Thread Mark Murray
Hi The attached patch gets done by me any time I set up a FreeBSD box (I like lots of VTYs and X on ALT-F12). Any objections to my committing this? M -- o Mark Murray \_ O.\_Warning: this .sig is umop ap!sdn Index: etc.alpha/ttys