On 05/01/2011 00:12, mato wrote:
Regarding hosting the files -- one of the goals of the foundation is to
provide infrastructure for the project. And this seems like one of the
opportunities to do so. Besides, all of the ports mentioned have their
distfiles already mirrored on FreeBSD's FTP.
I
Doug Barton wrote:
On 04/25/2011 17:28, martinko wrote:
Ok,
I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports and I identifed the
following that I may be using or at least used in past and I could take
over their maintenance to save them from death:
Generally by the time that a port has deteriora
On 27 Apr 2011 21:04, "Mikhail T." wrote:
>> cvs's Attic can be easily restored if people take up the slack. I see
>> no reason to change this policy
>
> No, not easily. It requires the CVS tree, which is not automatically
installed.
What are you on about? Just do an anonymous checkout, like ever
On 04/27/2011 13:54, Eitan Adler wrote:
Which is a*major* drain of resources. One of the reasons for ceasing
the building of packages for broken/completely obsolete is to avoid
draining the computer time building said packages.
... and in addition to CPU cycles there is also storage on the doz
On 2011-04-27 17:59, Mikhail T. wrote:
> On -10.01.-28163 14:59, Robert Huff wrote:
>> It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small
>> number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial.
> Or the port might become useful/essential/critical to somebody in the
> future...
>
> What i
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 05:05:57PM -0400, Eitan Adler wrote:
> >> apache13 is EOL upstream. We should not have ports for EOL software.
> >
> > Why not, exactly?..
>
> What happens if a security hole or a bug is found? Are we the ones to
> fix it? If yes are we to host the patches? Where should the
Eitan, you are entitled to your opinions, but not to your own facts. My factual
corrections are inline below. Arguing about opinions and policy is useless until
the facts are accepted as such by all participants:
On 27.04.2011 16:54, Eitan Adler wrote:
The upstream maintainer already called
Quoth Ade Lovett on Wednesday, 27 April 2011:
> On Apr 27, 2011, at 13:46 , Chip Camden wrote:
> >
> > Modifying the script that was posted earlier, we can list out all
> > installed ports that are currently deprecated, and why:
>
> Won't work -- need to handle slave ports etc, where the DEPRECAT
On Wed 27 Apr 2011 at 14:05:57 PDT Eitan Adler wrote:
apache13 is EOL upstream. We should not have ports for EOL software.
Why not, exactly?..
What happens if a security hole or a bug is found? Are we the ones to
fix it?
No. The rule of caveat emptor should apply. We don't warranty anyth
>> apache13 is EOL upstream. We should not have ports for EOL software.
>
> Why not, exactly?..
What happens if a security hole or a bug is found? Are we the ones to
fix it? If yes are we to host the patches? Where should the bug
reports go to - our bug tracker? What if our implementation ceases t
On 27.04.2011 16:47, Wesley Shields wrote:
apache13 is EOL upstream. We should not have ports for EOL software.
Why not, exactly?..
If upstream says it's dead, who are we to keep it alive?
We are a major Operating System project, which maintains ports of third-party
applications for the conven
>dougb is anxious to delete apache13 as well instead of simply disowning it...
The upstream maintainer already called it "end of life". FreeBSD does
not and will not ever take over the development of dead upstream ports
(and in this case there is a upstream version)
>The same entity(ies), that cu
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 04:03:58PM -0400, Mikhail T. wrote:
> On 27.04.2011 14:16, Eitan Adler wrote:
> > Then bapt@ marked the ports*deprecated* which does not mean deleted. It
> > was a warning that people who were interested should step up and take up
> > the work. If after N amount of time n
On 27.04.2011 14:16, Eitan Adler wrote:
Then bapt@ marked the ports*deprecated* which does not mean deleted. It was a
warning that people who were interested should step up and take up the work. If
after N amount of time no one does so they will be individually deleted.
The ports I listed -- d
On Apr 27, 2011, at 13:46 , Chip Camden wrote:
>
> Modifying the script that was posted earlier, we can list out all
> installed ports that are currently deprecated, and why:
Won't work -- need to handle slave ports etc, where the DEPRECATED may be in
the MASTER_PORT.
Try this:
#!/bin/sh
#
PO
Quoth Eitan Adler on Wednesday, 27 April 2011:
> > What is not broken -- just old, like databases/db2 or www/apache13*, for
> > example -- should be left alone (until it becomes both broken and
> > unmaintained). And even then, the removal should not be
> > mass-scale/automatic...
>
> This recent
On 04/27/2011 08:59, Mikhail T. wrote:
What is not broken -- just old, like ... or www/apache13*
apache13 is way past EOL, and the apache team is working hard to move
the default to apache22, at which point I personally hope that apache13
dies a quick and painful death :)
--
Nothin
> What is not broken -- just old, like databases/db2 or www/apache13*, for
> example -- should be left alone (until it becomes both broken and
> unmaintained). And even then, the removal should not be
> mass-scale/automatic...
This recent sweep was neither mass scale nor automatic.
536/22816 port
On -10.01.-28163 14:59, Robert Huff wrote:
It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small
number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial.
Or the port might become useful/essential/critical to somebody in the future...
What is not broken -- just old, like databases/db2 or
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 08:02:34AM -0700, Chip Camden wrote:
> Quoth Eric on Wednesday, 27 April 2011:
...
> > >> My search for "popularity" metrics is intended to point me, as a
> > >> maintainer, to ports I might want to adopt now, rather than wait for
> > >> someone to complain about them. Ever
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Mark Linimon wrote:
> I need to migrate portsmon to another server so that we can start up
> these periodic emails again.
>
> mcl
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Quoth Eric on Wednesday, 27 April 2011:
> > From: Anton Shterenlikht
> > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:14:41 +0100
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: saving a few ports from death
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 03:55:56PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
> >>
> &
> From: Anton Shterenlikht
> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:14:41 +0100
> To:
> Subject: Re: saving a few ports from death
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 03:55:56PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
>>
>> My search for "popularity" metrics is intended to point me, a
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 03:55:56PM -0700, Charlie Kester wrote:
>
> My search for "popularity" metrics is intended to point me, as a
> maintainer, to ports I might want to adopt now, rather than wait for
> someone to complain about them. Everything *I* use is already
> maintained, so I've moved o
> Where is the current list of deprecated ports?
>
You can find the deprecated ones here
http://www.freshports.org/ports-deprecated.php
and the one set to expire there :
http://www.freshports.org/ports-expiration-date.php
regards,
Bapt
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On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:51:39PM -0500, Adam Vande More wrote:
>On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Robert Huff wrote:
>
>>
>> Garance A Drosehn writes:
>>
>> > Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
>> > "FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken"
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Robert Huff wrote:
>
> Garance A Drosehn writes:
>
> > Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
> > "FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken"
> > and
> > "FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion"
> >
Garance A Drosehn writes:
> Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
> "FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken"
> and
> "FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion"
>
> show up recently. I did have some mixup in my email account
>
On 4/25/11 8:28 PM, martinko wrote:
Ok,
I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports
Speaking of which, I haven't noticed the old lists of
"FreeBSD unmaintained ports which are currently marked broken"
and
"FreeBSD ports which are currently scheduled for deletion"
show up recently. I
On 04/26/2011 15:09, Charlie Kester wrote:
Now that I have my code proved out, I'm going to expand it to look at
all unmaintained ports regardless of category. Any suggestions for
where I should post the results? (That is, unless you think the
bitbucket is the only suitable place for it.)
As
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 15:15:54 PDT Jerry wrote:
If no one steps up claiming to need the port, then good riddance. If on
the other hand a user claims a valid use of the port, let them take
responsibility for it or find someone who will. Leaving intact ports
that either don't build, cannot be fetc
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:54:05 -0700
Doug Barton articulated:
> On 04/26/2011 14:18, Robert Huff wrote:
> > It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small
> > number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial.
>
> Fair enough, then one of them needs to step forward to maintain the
>
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 14:34:00 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 14:27:47 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:
FWIW, here are some popularity/vitality stats from freshmeat for
unmaintained ports in the sysutils category.
Drat, the mailinglist rejected the attachment. If anyone wants to see
On 04/26/2011 14:18, Robert Huff wrote:
It is also possible it is only important to a fairly small
number ... but to those it is absolutely crucial.
Fair enough, then one of them needs to step forward to maintain the port. :)
FWIW, I think that the person who suggested deleting the por
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 14:27:47 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 09:34:24 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:
I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports
sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll
take some time to go through the list of un
On Tue 26 Apr 2011 at 09:34:24 PDT Charlie Kester wrote:
I'm not a web programmer and don't have access to the freshports
sourcecode. So all I can do there is make a suggestion. But perhaps I'll
take some time to go through the list of unmaintained ports and manually
check them against the popul
Chip Camden writes:
> > If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application,
> > just remove it from the ports structure and see how many users complain.
>
> There could be quite a delay in that reaction -- it might not hit
> home until the port needs to be rebuilt.
Quoth Jerry on Tuesday, 26 April 2011:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:34:24 -0700
> Charlie Kester articulated:
>
> > It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
> > will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
> > being.
>
> If you want to definitiv
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:34:24 -0700
Charlie Kester articulated:
> It's a bit of a leap to assume that a program that's popular on Linux
> will be as popular on BSD, but it's the best data we have for the time
> being.
If you want to definitively ascertain the popularity of an application,
just re
On Mon 25 Apr 2011 at 22:55:10 PDT Ade Lovett wrote:
On Apr 25, 2011, at 21:41 , Charlie Kester wrote:
Maybe freshports could implement a voting system like the one at
osx.iusethis.com?
"Voting" implies some kind of democracy.
I just thought it might be useful to get some actual data to sup
On Apr 25, 2011, at 21:41 , Charlie Kester wrote:
> Maybe freshports could implement a voting system like the one at
> osx.iusethis.com?
"Voting" implies some kind of democracy.
This may come as a shock to folks, but FreeBSD in general is in fact not
democratic. It's based around the concept o
26.04.2011 04:28, martinko пишет:
Ok,
I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports and I identifed the following
that I may be using or at least used in past and I could take over their
maintenance to save them from death:
graphics/gimp-greycstoration
Use graphics/gimp-gmic-plugin instead.
Pl
On Mon 25 Apr 2011 at 17:48:31 PDT Doug Barton wrote:
What we're trying to do here is to eliminate ports that are no longer
useful.
If we had some popularity stats, it would be interesting to see where
the unmaintained ports fall on the list. Unfortunately, bsdstats
doesn't include this anymor
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Doug Barton wrote:
> On 04/25/2011 17:28, martinko wrote:
>>
>> Ok,
>> I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports and I identifed the
>> following that I may be using or at least used in past and I could take
>> over their maintenance to save them from death:
>
On 04/25/2011 17:28, martinko wrote:
Ok,
I skimmed through the list of deprecated ports and I identifed the
following that I may be using or at least used in past and I could take
over their maintenance to save them from death:
Generally by the time that a port has deteriorated to the point whe
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