k
to it as well.
As for the problem above, the current libcrypt.so is linked to
libcrypt.so.3, so your tarball is too old for your current
system. Use ports instead ;-)
And, finally, what does `hostname` return on your system?
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27;t. The
developer swears something must be 'different' about freebsd because
his gcc finds the same file in /usr/local/include. Appears his system
is gentoo...
Steve
# setenv CPPFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include"
# setenv LDFLAGS=&quo
ports@" if you are the first.
5. Contact the port maintainer.
HTH,
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The following command failed:
cc -I. -I/usr/ports/net/samba3/work/samba-3.0.26a/source -O2
-fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -D_SAMBA_BUILD_=3 -I/usr/local/include
-I/usr/ports/net/samba3/work/samba-3.0.26a/sour
Dominic Marks wrote:
List,
Can anyone give me their experiences of desktop printing
(OpenOffice/KDE/Gnome/Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird, etc) recently?
I haven't tried for a while but it was a pain to setup and maintain the
last time I looked at it.
If you are using this for "real-work" and
sed on
my experience with the lists, and not taking into
account whether or not the OP is a known troll,
in which case it's 2 to 3 times faster, at least.
:-D
Kevin Kinsey
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the president but is always polite to tra
Westin Shafer wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am having a hard time locating a Locale for Indonesia on our
installation of FreeBSD 5.3-RELEASE. The locale definition
id_ID.(whatever) is missing. Does it exist, and if so how can I get
this and install it? I have spent countless hours searching the n
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote:
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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:31:15 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
but I don't want to logout and login back in and/or have to
invoke the app from the cmd line (i.e. xhost +; setenv DISPLAY
:0; app
d1s1a /mnt
dump -0 -a -L /usr | ( cd /mnt ; restore ruvf - )
Copying with dd(1) is not as fast :)
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Too bad it's not *BSD; we could just ssh into that puppy and turn
on NATD ... :-D
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(if thread continues [and we should hope not, I think, at
least in this direction] plx remove questions@ from CC list.
I only left it in for "origin"'s sake
ee.
2. As root, do this:
# cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2
# make install clean
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Rudy wrote:
cron jobs seem to get stuck. Not always, but within a day, there are at
least 20 stuck. It is not always the same cronjob that does the
sticking. :) When this occurs, I can run ps ax| grep cron and get a
bunch of lines like this:
51921 ?? D 0:00.00 cron: running job (cro
Zachary Kline wrote:
"Kevin Kinsey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Zachary Kline wrote:
Hi,
I'm currently using FreeBSD 6.2 release with security patches from
Releng6-2. This is in a Qemu virtual machine, if only because I don't
Patrick Baldwin wrote:
I was reading through the handbook section on updating, as I'd
like to update a FreeBSD 6.2 system. One of the things I noticed
is that you need to specify what kernel you want in the KERNCONF
line. Is there any way to get a running FreeBSD system to tell
me what kernel i
exceeds the kernel limit.
You might look in the FreeBSD GNATS database at bug 77353, and
see if the advice there assists you in correction of the problem.
HTH,
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ill be run when either field matches the current
time. For example, ``30 4 1,15 * 5'' would cause a command to be run at
4:30 am on the 1st and 15th of each month, plus every Friday.
HTH,
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Drew Tomlinson wrote:
On 12/7/2007 10:49 AM Kevin Kinsey wrote:
Drew Tomlinson wrote:
I'm trying to use cron to run a script on the first Sunday of every
month at 0930. I used this entry in the crontab:
# Run 1st Sunday at 0930 - Fulls
30 9 1-7 * 7 /usr/local/scripts/backup_bootstr
Kevin Kinsey wrote:
] Well, as the sage said, "the light at the end of the
] tunnel is an oncoming train." Note the word "restricted"
] there, and realize that it means that both fields are
] checked and the "job" is constrained by both of them.
]
] In other words
u already know, and what you suspect the problem is,
what about systat(1), top(1), ktrace(1), ptrace(1), iostat(8)?
Try and use the console if possible; if disk, CPU, etc. seem to be
OK, then suspect an issue with the NIC.
As I said, YMMV. Good luck.
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??0:00.00
cron: running job (cron)
# grep 85940 /var/log/cron
Dec 13 12:16:00 pita /usr/sbin/cron[85940]: (root) CMD
(/root/bin/raid-status.sh CRON)
- Rudy
Just as a favor to an old coot, could you change your
crontab entry to read like this:
*/16 * * * * "/root/bin/raid-status.
#x27;d
have been a smaller and cooler flame war. He didn't say "Tux
Sucks".
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"/path/to/script.sh" and "ARG" as two jobs instead of
one, and hanging on "ARG" since CRON is something of a
reserved word. IANAE, YMMV, and all that.
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;t really
know; it is/will be supported in 7.X. For an overview, read
/usr/src/sys/dev/em/README.
HTH,
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Right Way(tm).
Also, I'd consider installing a newer release than 6.0, and only
restoring the important stuff. Again, it depends on your situation.
My $.02,
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_
h is
a more typical application as I understand it?
Again, I'm not trying to convince you otherwise or say that using
BIND is a bad idea. It's just that I'm curious because we use
Squid for this sort of thing, and I was wondering why BIND instead?
Kevin Kinsey
In that file I ma
list -v" say?
Could maybe also be some unsupported device that *looks* like
a umass(4)device, too, but I'm not guru enough to guess much about that.
It's just that the error looks a lot like what I described
above. Maybe FBSD senses something interesting with the
HW Raid?
HTH, if gras
n? How does it perform?
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Darren Spruell wrote:
On Dec 28, 2007 8:49 AM, Kevin Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In the absence of egress filtering on the firewall, that
would definitely be an advantage. Does anyone use BIND
for filtering in a small to medium business environment
then? How does it p
an 'all thumbs' newb.
No problem --- we mostly remember when we were "all thumbs",
too.
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age for msk(4) isn't
a bad one. It could be that you need to add a KLD to loader.conf
or something ... at the very least, it should say what variants
are expected to work with msk(4).
HTH,
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h mail(1),
so I can have whatever subject header I want, and the envelope
data comes from the user ("usually m...@myhost.tld"). Cron sees
nothing because stdout/err is redirected to dev/null.
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he/she would attempt to conjure up the right code to make it work.
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Eric to call up troops to end this holy war
on this list once and for all. I'm sharpening blades in
the shop even as I write this! DEUS VULT!!!!
'Nuff ... please?
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for backgrounding issues.At any rate, what I'd
like to do is have a script set up the connection, or
write some daemon that would monitor the connection and
fix it if it gets reset. At any rate, if I could get this
SSH process to detach from a terminal, it'd be great.
Any suggestions?
ot; is needed
to open the tunnel on the "localname" side on port 24 (a privileged
port). You could do this as "root" on the local side, but shouldn't
connect *to* root on the remote computer.
On Nov 9, 2009, at 7:30 PM, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
Greetings!
sudo ssh -L thisbox:2
tion.
HTH,
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er clue on this, as I've not had the problem
for years. I've also not burned a CD for FreeBSD on Windows
*ever*, so I'm thinking it could be related to that, somehow
or other, despite the fact that you can "see" everything. But
then again, maybe I just don't t
e happened in the past, I think.
You might trying disconnecting one optical drive and trying
again.
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Jerry McAllister wrote:
Of course, if you plan to dual boot FreeBSD along with the existing
installation of W98, then you need enough disk for both of them.
Probably 20 Gbytes each as a minimum. More is nicer.
If you want to dual boot, then you will need to acquire a utility
that will allow yo
Chad Perrin wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 04:34:17PM -0600, Kevin Kinsey wrote:
NTFS comes with "NT" versions of Windows, that is, NT, Windows 2000,
and everything since then. W95 and W98 used FAT filesystems. Fat32
was the default for Win98 IIRC.
I know a lot of MS Windows use
insecur...@malandrines.net wrote:
Unable to find device node for /dev/ad0s1b in /dev!
help me please
$ grep ad /var/run/dmesg.boot
Is /dev/ad0 there? /dev/ad0s1b ?
Do you have SCSI disks instead? A RAID?
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Anton Shterenlikht wrote:
This is on FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r202964M ia64
I've built a kernel with smbfs module:
# ls -al /boot/kernel/smb*
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 265579 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko
-r-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 680186 25 Jan 13:36 /boot/kernel/smbfs.ko.symbols
but can'
without developer's heads rolling, most likely, but stuff
is Merged-from-Current (or wherever) fairly continually,
and, as such, is occasionally susceptible to hiccups.
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02/out/freebsd.amd64/debug/obj/VBoxRT/VBox:
Directory not empty
No explanation, sorry. Have you tried
$chflags -R nosch work
$rm -rf work
?
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upgrade my world (make buildworld, make
installworld, etc.). I do this often (every time a release patch is
released).
So, perhaps this only happens during these upgrades?
Yup, 99% sure of that.
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Chuck Robey wrote:
I have this problem with my built-under-freebsd-current Xorg, it gives me this
following sort of error everytime it starts up:
(pts/2):{14}% Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display
":0.0".
Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display ":0
GLADtr GLADtr wrote:
Hello my friends! Help me please with its problem. I`m don`t understood what
it is problem...
I doubt I do either, but I'll bite.
*mx# uname -a*
FreeBSD mx.taricat.ru 8.0-STABLE FreeBSD 8.0-STABLE #1: Mon Jan 25 09:28:38
UTC 2010 r...@mx.taricat.ru:/usr/obj/
usr/src/s
Programmer In Training wrote:
Since the advisories from Mozilla[0-1] have been released, and updates
for at least FireFox and Thunderbird are available, when will they be
made available via ports (especially FF 3.6 TB 3.0.2)? Should I
deinstall the ports version and go ahead and compile from sour
zaxis wrote:
There is a ext3 partition used to share data between linux and freebsd.
Sometimes freebsd cannot mount this partition as abnormal poweroff. I have
to enter linux to do `fsck.ext3` .
Can freebsd fsck ext3 partition ?
Not natively, AFAIK. Check out /usr/ports/sysutils/e2fsprogs;
mikel king wrote:
Way back about 10 years ago, I was playing around with IPFW a lot. I
wrote a script to update IPFW from changes made to a MySql db. It was a
just for fun project, that turned out to be rather useful I have some
developers that I managed who like you were road warriors. They
Matthew Seaman wrote:
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"Matthew" == Matthew Seaman writes:
Matthew> On 05/03/2010 15:51:52, Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
The spamtrap is a shiny object for spam, and anything that goes there gets
bloc
Jean-Paul Natola wrote:
Ok this has run 2 times with the same result- is this a "sign" that my
box is doomed for disaster- sysinstall upgrade failed - the CD upgrade
failed - and now CVS upgrade is failing-
Is there anywhere that would tell me WHY its failing?
arsing supfile "standard-supf
to
getting involved in the whole BSD scene.
Nice meeting (sort of) you all!
Greetings and welcome!
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on't know much about running
Apache in a jail; you'll need to keep in contact with the list and hope that
someone with a clue notices your problem.
Since the question is really about PHP instead of FreeBSD, you might
try some PHP forums/ma
reinstall. However, now I have a problem. I tried "pkg_add -r php5"
and the latest PHP5 from www.php.net(www.php.net used to work, but
that was before php5 existed).
Kevin Kinsey wrote:
The first thing to note is that PHP can install three different
executables:
a CLI (co
se for all applications?
If not, which apps?
Are you using a terminal emulator? If so, which one, and what does
$ env | grep TERM
say?
HTH,
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could have something to do with the effect you
have noticed.
"'Tis a puzzlement!"
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If not kindly guide me.
Yes, more or less, that's what he means. You should have:
*default release=cvs tag=RELENG_6
in your supfile. The remaining steps are well-documented, also.
For a complete overview, see Chapter 23 of the online handbook
at www.freebsd.org/handbook.
HTH,
s for the 'set mail' line.
On mine, it is:
set mail = (/var/mail/$USER)
Which I believe defaults to checking the mail every 5 minutes.
Change that to:
set mail = (86400 /var/mail/$USER)
and the old lady will only nudge you once
each morning ;-) Probably somethin
and Perl-compatible regular expressions
(or at least whatever you enabled).
HTH,
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Andrew Falanga wrote:
On 10/2/07, *Kevin Kinsey* wrote:
Actually, it's been "split out" for some time now; you can get
PCRE support for your pre-existing PHP installation by installing
ports/devel/php5-pcre. But, since most users want PHP to support
many techn
I guess).
So, is there any hope for this hardware? I could try HEAD, I guess,
but it doesn't appear that any work's been done in ICH on HEAD for
2 months or so (I'm currently running STABLE from yesterday). What
about the ACPI? Should I beg over on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
g/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/small-lan.html
HTH,
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judge without further research, but perhaps the development team
is dragging their feet on purpose for some reason, or they've
maybe handed PHP4 off to a couple of junior guys who are pulling
their hair out on it? All conjecture.
I'd advise moving to PHP5 now. It doesn't hurt
#x27;t think
freebsd.org should ever be there (do we have a Florida
mirror?). 69.147.83.33 is Yahoo!, and I! think!
that! seems! a! lot! more! correct! ;-)
DNS problems/poisoning, perhaps?
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cial attention to the upgrade to xorg-7.2 --- Kris
wrote very explicit instructions for that.
I'd just force a reinstall of /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/portupgrade
and go from there ... after reading UPDATING.
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Subject: Re: src.conf: WITHOUT_SOMETHING
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:34:59 +0200
From: Redd Vinylene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Kevin Kinsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Redd Vinylene wrote:
Let's say I add WITHOUT_SOMETHING to /etc/rc.conf, and remake and
reinstall my world.
What w
erstand what I'm doing wrong, and what should be done solve
this issues? I'm not an expert Freebsd administration, so any comments
and suggestions are welcome.
Kevin Kinsey
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Christopher Cowart wrote:
I have a couple FreeBSD boxes that are providing a captive portal
wifi authentcation system. Without delving into the implementation
details, I'm running dhcpd, squid, and apache. We have in-house perl CGI
scripts that handle session and IP management, dynamically creat
timedia" mailing list, I believe, which
might have people on it who are more finely tuned (excuse the pun)
in that direction.
HTH,
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amd
... and, according to the manpage, has been since before FreeBSD
existed. CVS seems to concur, with the initial revision of amd.c
being committed by rgrimes@ on May 26, 1994.
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questions, but --- you don't specify what "problems" are
being experienced at the location, and, are you certain it's
not about this?
[25] Sat 06.Sep.2008 21:58:25
[EMAIL PROTECTED]/logs]
host 72.24.34.252
Host 252.34.24.72.in-addr.arpa. not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
Andrew Falanga wrote:
*Not having* a reverse entry for a mail server is often
the cause of issues.
This I do know very well. I had similar problems when running a sendmail
backup spooler for Syracuse Networks back in 2000. The eventual solution was
that our ISP delegated control of our sub
ort" parameter in the same config file. And as an aside
... don't do it. ;-)
Just my guess.
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e system.
If you, for example, happen to upgrade expat or something
basic to a bunch of ports, things can go pretty haywire until
everything's back up-to-date. But, then again, that's what
the ports-mgmt tools are supposed to help with.
Last but not least: Thanks for the fast and detaile
#x27;t get routed to the
correct address when it's destined for port 25.
So a common thread is that traffic on the ISP's net isn't going
out via yourserver.com:25 --- would seem to indicate port blocking,
which is quite common for port 25. Tried 587 or some weird alternate?
Ke
s MFC'ed, but apparently fairly
recently?
I suppose we need someone a tad more "in the know" to straighten
that out for us.
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f how to diagnose
and fix this problem?
Thanks
Herman
Have you looked at the logfiles? (/var/log/Xorg.$n.log)
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Someone else's wheel, for perusal, at least:
http://www.shmoo.com/~bmc/software/wicap/announce.html
The tarball is still up there.
HTH,
Kevin Kinsey
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As for restoring permissions on /etc/, mtree(8) is your
friend ... I'd recommend taking a look at the
manpage, however, because IANAE.
However, all disclaimers included, I *think* you want
% cd /
% mtree -U -f /etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist
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may not, (YMMV, #include "disclaimer.h" and all that).
I suppose I must be doing something wrong. Please bear in mind that this
is my first time that I am using the command line. I have been able to
thanks to the very easy and instructive FreeBSD's handbook.
It
the server (currently I'm running dual-sendmail
with Amavisd-new and spamassassin).
Anyone doing such a thing, or have a few hints handy?
TIA,
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emote server is a dynamic port.
Any suggestions how I might get this to work?
TIA,
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pear that perhaps Mel also guessed right about df
being aliased? Just my guess, but, as you mention, no nfs mounts
appear. I may be mistaken, but I think it's also possible to get
into this sort of situation by mounting a local partition on a
non-empty mountpoint---at least, it happened to
used sysutils/ddrescue for recovery
from a FAT partition, but I'm not at all sure if it will help in
your situation.
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erver 2.us.pool.htp.org
driftfile /var/db/ntp.drift
restrict 10.47.0.0 mask 255.255.255.0 nomodify notrap
anybody?
Not certain, Gary, as IANAE; here, /etc/ntp/holds "ntpd.conf",
and /etc/ntp.conf is a symlink to said file. No issues with
ntp; I'm running 7-STABLE from
ropos truss
truss(1) - trace system calls
... so you can use the above tool to see what's going
on from the server's point of view.
HTH,
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BONGANI MANGANYE wrote:
am doing research about freebsd ,so can you help me with this
information
1. features, benefits and setbacks
2. Functionality and features
3. versions, strong and weak points
4. Unique features
www.freebsd.org
:-)
Kevin Kinsey
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BONGANI MANGANYE wrote:
i dont know if is me or what but you havent answerwd my question,please
take ur time ad give me reply
Kevin Kinsey 08/17/09 2:18 PM >>>
BONGANI MANGANYE wrote:
am doing research about freebsd ,so can you help me with this
information
1. features, ben
are combination you
use or recommend for video monitoring?
TIA,
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Seems like a lot of the spam we fight comes from
hosts with no DNS entries. What about using this?
--
$grep sendmail /etc/hosts.allow
sendmail : KNOWN : allow
sendmail : UNKNOWN : deny
-
Comments? anyone tried it?
Kevin
Jeff Laine wrote:
On Sat,10-10-2009 [12:31:01], Kevin Kinsey wrote:
Seems like a lot of the spam we fight comes from
hosts with no DNS entries. What about using this?
--
$grep sendmail /etc/hosts.allow
sendmail : KNOWN : allow
sendmail : UNKNOWN : deny
nclusion with 8.0.
However, a day is coming ...
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on if I'm wrong).
I hope this is helpful to you.
Kevin Kinsey
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nterface
that could be causing route problems and therefore "network
unreachable" from ping(8)?
It does seem rather odd, so I wonder if there's something we
are all overlooking. Since no one but you is there, we can't
tell you what it is, but only guess. Maybe something
above w
ut maybe something will click. Xorg configuration is a tad magical;
not difficult after you've done it a few times, but not exactly, err,
intuitive (not sure that's what I mean exactly, tho) if you're not
completely immersed in the documentation.
HTH,
Kevin Kinsey
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Hi.
How FreeBSD differ from any Linx distro like Ubuntu?
Thanks.
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xecutables"). There's more, but I'll wait until
something moves with this data, I think.
Question: why is uname reporting the {wrong} build?
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Kris Kennaway wrote:
Kevin Kinsey wrote:
I get the following from uname -a:
FreeBSD archangel.daleco.biz 6.2-RELEASE FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE #6:
Sat Jun 2 09:22:50 CDT 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
/usr/obj/backup/src/sys/GENERIC i386
However, I rebuilt world, more or less without issues,
twice
question
is, with what I have above, why do I still have:
sysctl -a | grep kern.osre
kern.osrelease: 6.2-RELEASE
kern.osrevision: 199506
kern.osreldate: 602000
??
Thanks in advance,
Kevin Kinsey
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