Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-05 Thread Mark Felder
On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:45:59 -0500, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: More recently I have had to start using Linux because FreeBSD doesn't have very good laptop support. (All I ask for is a way to configure the mouse pad so that I can switch off "tap to click.") See, this isn't very obvi

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-03 Thread Erich
Hi, On 03 June 2012 PM 8:45:59 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On the other hand Ubuntu recently switched their Window manager, and I > hated it on their early versions. They also offered gnome3, and it just > wasn't working. So I dare not go beyond Ubuntu 10.04, and I fear the > day 10.04

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-03 Thread Stephen Montgomery-Smith
I use FreeBSD because it was the first Intel based unix I tried. A friend of mine suggested I try FreeBSD instead of Linux. More recently I have had to start using Linux because FreeBSD doesn't have very good laptop support. (All I ask for is a way to configure the mouse pad so that I can sw

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-03 Thread Erich
Hi, On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote: > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to > this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advertises

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 10:52:48 Chris Rees wrote: > On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: > >> On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to > >

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 3:47:27 Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: > > I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during > > the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. > > > > Or do I see this really too simple? > > The por

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
On 2 June 2012 10:42, Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: >> On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" >> wrote: >> > >> > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to >> the releases. This leads to situations in which a small

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 15:32, Erich wrote: I know that the ports tree is a moving target. But it stops moving during the release period. This could be used to give a fall back solution. Or do I see this really too simple? The ports tree is a moving target during release periods still, although there

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 2:53:48 Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > You don't have to use the (arguable old) 'release' ports tree. Ports get > fixed/adapted for the new version usually months after release. > I think we are talking here about two totally different problems. Your hint with sysinstall wou

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:50:16 David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: > >> On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: > >> > >>> I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security > >>> fix

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:19, Erich wrote: > Hi, > > On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: >> On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: >> >>> I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes >>> just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an up

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 02.06.12 12:42, Erich Dollansky wrote: On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" wrote: But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 PM 12:04:26 David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: > > > I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes > > just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade > > like what is happening at the moment

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Jun 2012, at 12:01, Erich wrote: > I would even accept to get the 'release' ports tree without security fixes > just to have a system which is up and running fast after I tried an upgrade > like what is happening at the moment with PNG dependent ports. You have this already. Just install

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich
Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 11:39:16 David Chisnall wrote: > On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote: > > > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to > > the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic > > library will result in a comp

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Jun 2012, at 03:56, Erich Dollansky wrote: > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to the > releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic library > will result in a complete update of the installed ports. I expressed this > already m

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 02 June 2012 AM 9:14:28 Chris Rees wrote: > On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" > wrote: > > > > But I have to mention one disadvantage. The ports are in no way linked to > the releases. This leads to situations in which a small change in a basic > library will result in a complete u

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-02 Thread Chris Rees
On Jun 2, 2012 4:04 AM, "Erich Dollansky" wrote: > > Hi, > > On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote: > > > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > > > I am currently looking at u

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Erich Dollansky
Hi, On 30 May 2012 PM 7:20:31 David Chisnall wrote: > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to > this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advertises

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Fritz Wuehler
> There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. > > For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. ALL of the PC performance weenies run Windows. They're totally stupid when it comes to software and all they care about is the Windo

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Thomas Steen Rasmussen
On 01-06-2012 13:39, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > Instead, lead by example. Showcase. Demonstrate how superior FreeBSD > is because the people who keep it going are not interested to be the > Jack of All Trades (and master of none). Showcase implementations that > are hard to do with any other OS. Th

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 01.06.12 13:19, Katinka wrote: There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. Do we really care? The number of really bright people, or even people who are able to reasonably

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Adam Strohl
On 6/1/2012 18:03, Jason Leschnik wrote: I may be totally incorrect with my above ideas, but it's what i would like to see from FreeBSD *again*... This is the reason in the first place most people used FreeBSD, stability/scalability/performance are the hallmarks of FreeBSD. If we have these hard

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Jason Leschnik
I think this iterates my point on the Forums.. To gain critical mass FreeBSD needs to start showing some benchmarks and numbers to back up the advocacy claims. I think this will also give the dev team technical direction to get back into grind of tweaking for performance and not just features. I m

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Adam Strohl
On 6/1/2012 17:19, Katinka wrote: There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. Lots of the comments remind me about Linux vs. Windows in the late 90s, and taken with a grain of sa

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Katinka
There's a nice discussion going on, over at Phoronix. For some reason, they don't seem to like us very much. ___ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freeb

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 01/06/2012 09:16, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > The reason I rebuild the ports last is because, unless I'm wrong, any > port that's statically linked to a system library would be linked to the > old library from the old world. Uh -- if it's statically linked, then the object code is copied from the

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 6/1/12 8:54 AM, Daniel Kalchev wrote: > > > On 31.05.12 18:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, >> they're still time consuming and disruptive. >> 1/ reboot after installing new kernel >> 2/ reboot after installing new world >>

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 8:13 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 31/05/2012 16:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, >> they're still time consuming and disruptive. >> 1/ reboot after installing new kernel >> 2/ reboot after installing new world >> 3

PFsync firewall states updates (was: Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?)

2012-06-01 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 9:51 PM, Nick Gustas wrote: > On 5/31/2012 12:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: >>> On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan with the Project Manager a failover

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-06-01 Thread Daniel Kalchev
On 31.05.12 18:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, they're still time consuming and disruptive. 1/ reboot after installing new kernel 2/ reboot after installing new world 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports About the only time I eve

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Dave Hayes
Flemming Jacobsen writes: > Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, >> they're still time consuming and disruptive. >> 1/ reboot after installing new kernel >> 2/ reboot after installing new world >> 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports > Or .

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Kevin Oberman
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > > On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote: > A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot > A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after > installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) But how often

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Luiz Eduardo Roncato Cordeiro
Because I really like it! ;-) I've been using FreeBSD since the RELEASE-1.0(.5)?, as far as I remember... But, the first BSD I had installed was a 386BSD, on a old 386 computer. Yeah! Version 0.0 or 0.1... God! I'm getting old! Cordeiro Em quarta-feira, 30 de maio de 2012, às 19:20:31, David

Solaris features in FreeBSD (was: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?)

2012-05-31 Thread Chris Nehren
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 17:20:04 +0200 , Oliver Fromme wrote: > But there's one thing that hasn't been mentioned so far, > I think: jails. The jails feature was the most important > reason why one of our largest customers chose FreeBSD for > its server farm instead of Linux. I also use this feat

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Nick Gustas
On 5/31/2012 12:52 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. Yes, I know about pfsync

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Karl Dunn
Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and befor

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Matthew Seaman
On 31/05/2012 16:41, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, > they're still time consuming and disruptive. > 1/ reboot after installing new kernel > 2/ reboot after installing new world > 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports If you rebuilt the

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 6:37 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan >> with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. >> Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *insta

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Per olof Ljungmark
On 05/30/12 20:20, David Chisnall wrote: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On 5/31/2012 5:41 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Furthermore, when upgrading the CARP Master firewall, we need to plan with the Project Manager a failover to the CARP Backup firewall. Yes, I know about pfsync, yes, we use it, no, it doesn't *instantly* sync sessions for PF. A bit offtopic on this t

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Flemming Jacobsen
Damien Fleuriot wrote: > You missed the bit about 3 reboots, while these don't take 15 mins each, > they're still time consuming and disruptive. > 1/ reboot after installing new kernel > 2/ reboot after installing new world > 3/ reboot after rebuilding ports Or ... use sysbuild (/usr/src/tools/too

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 5:13 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > On 5/31/12 10:22 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >>> To add others, in no particular order: >>> >>> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >>> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMM

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Oliver Fromme
David Chisnall wrote: > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using > FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you most like a

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Mark Felder
On Thu, 31 May 2012 09:30:31 -0500, Adam Strohl wrote: This brings up another point: Repair is always possible with FreeBSD. Quick tip for you guys -- create your own mtree file for /usr/local, /usr/home, and /var via cron nightly. With that data and the ones provided for the base syst

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Jim Ohlstein
On 5/31/12 10:22 AM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >> To add others, in no particular order: >> >> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled >> system. Many Li

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Adam Strohl
On 5/31/2012 21:47, Damien Fleuriot wrote: Regarding packages, I've never really explored it, would you detail a bit ? Well, I really mean the resulting pkg info from a port. A good example is PHP, sometimes you have to say "everyone out of the pool" because of an upgrade: cd /var/db/pkg

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Gary Palmer
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 04:22:37PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > > To add others, in no particular order: > > > > Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier > > on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally c

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 4:30 PM, Adam Strohl wrote: > On 5/31/2012 21:22, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: >>> To add others, in no particular order: >>> >>> Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier >>> on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Adam Strohl
On 5/31/2012 21:22, Damien Fleuriot wrote: On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: To add others, in no particular order: Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled system. Many Linux distros ha

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 4:01 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: > To add others, in no particular order: > > Ease of upgrade. While some have noted that binary upgrades are easier > on Debian, it's far and away superior, IMMHO, to have a locally compiled > system. Many Linux distros have no upgrade path short of a wipe a

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Jim Ohlstein
On 5/30/12 2:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to > this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advert

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 1:20 PM, Claus Guttesen wrote: A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >>> >>> But how often do you need to >> >> As a matter of fact, too often, that's te pro

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Vitaly Magerya
David Chisnall wrote: > http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD > > Feedback welcome! Quote: > The RCng system that reads this file [rc.conf] understands > dependencies between services and so can automatically launch > them in parallel [...] Can it? There have been patches in the lists, was one o

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/31/12 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote: > Hi, > > Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels" : > >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >>> >>> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Jason Leschnik
"a while" isn't an S.I. unit, so it actually might be "pretty quick" :P On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > On 5/31/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Leschnik wrote: >> >> A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... > > > ah, ok! > > >> I even wrote this little script

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Nikos Vassiliadis
On 5/31/2012 2:09 PM, Jason Leschnik wrote: A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... ah, ok! I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info: http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=79 Note that if you have many out of date ports this script can take a while to finis

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Jason Leschnik
A freebsd-update + portsnap + portupgrade is really quick... I even wrote this little script to check for pkg_updating info: http://leschnik.me/blog/?p=79 Thanks. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels wrote: > >> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Claus Guttesen
>>> A regular debian update is 5 minutes + reboot >>> A regular FBSD update is about 1.5 hour + 3 reboots (after >>> installkernel, installworld, rebuild of ports) >> >> But how often do you need to > > As a matter of fact, too often, that's te problem. > > We have > 800 servers and I can't argue t

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 31 May 2012, at 12:21, Lars Engels wrote: > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it >>> to this list in the hope that

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Jason Leschnik
I've only been using FreeBSD for about ~2 years, the thing i really like about FreeBSD is the stability of the configuration system. Placement of configuration files and startup scripts make life easier in daily administration. The things i'm using FreeBSD for? # Gateway Router # Squid Proxy cach

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Frank Razenberg
In no specific order, for me they are: - Rock solid stability, not only in base-system but also in ports. - The completeness of the ports system and helpfulness of the maintainers. - ZFS Frank On 5/31/2012 12:32 PM, Holger Kipp wrote: Hi, Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels": On Thu

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Holger Kipp
Hi, Am 31.05.2012 um 12:24 schrieb "Lars Engels" : > On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: >> >> On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it >>> to this list in the hope t

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Reko Turja
-Original Message- From: Daniel Kalchev Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:01 PM 2) The BSD license. Contrary to popular belief, it has brought a lot of high quality development to FreeBSD. The salient point is that BSD license (and alike licenses)seem to bring in more talented people than

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Lars Engels
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:06:55PM +0200, Damien Fleuriot wrote: > > On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it > > to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > > >

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Damien Fleuriot
On 5/30/12 8:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to > this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > adver

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Jerome Herman
On Wed, 30 May 2012 19:20:31 +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm > sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish > number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Daniel Kalchev
1) Been with BSD/OS since it's inception. Great OS and good example to follow. But BSD/OS was eventually killed and FreeBSD sort of inherited it's legacy. Both follow the simplicity and good architecture models, with FreeBSD improving on modularity. 2) The BSD license. Contrary to popular belief

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread Prabhpal -Mailing-List
On 5/30/12 6:52 PM, Pierre-Luc Drouin wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnallwrote: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-31 Thread David Chisnall
Thanks to all who replied, both on and off list. I've attempted to distill the replies that I got into a coherent summary. I've put the draft on the wiki here: http://wiki.freebsd.org/WhyUseFreeBSD Feedback welcome! David On 30 May 2012, at 19:20, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > >

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Brian
On 5/30/2012 1:26 PM, Oliver Pinter wrote: On 5/30/12, David Chisnall wrote: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy m

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Andrew Reilly
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 07:20:31PM +0100, David Chisnall wrote: > If you had to list > the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you > pick? Are they the same as when you first started using it? 1) Using it doesn't require changing me (well, at least change is gradual and continuo

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Brian
On 5/30/2012 11:20 AM, David Chisnall wrote: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciti

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Lars Eighner
On Wed, 30 May 2012, David Chisnall wrote: Hi Everyone, I came to FreeBSD nearly 20 years ago because it had text-mode (aka command line, console, etc.) apps and I wanted to avoid GUIs for applications that are not essentially graphic in nature. The ability to switch for applications essenti

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Jakub Lach
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Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Jakub Lach
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Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Steven Hartland
To: Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 7:20 PM Subject: Why Are You Using FreeBSD? Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our ad

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Christopher J. Ruwe
On Wed, 30 May 2012 19:20:31 +0100 David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm > sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish > number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy materia

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Chris Rees
On 30 May 2012 19:20, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to > this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > adverti

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Oliver Pinter
On 5/30/12, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it > to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which > advertises exciting

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Mark Felder
On Wed, 30 May 2012 13:59:01 -0500, Chris Nehren wrote: 4. Everything "feels right" and "makes sense" on a very deep level for me, in a way that never happened with the other Unix and Unix "alike" OSs I've used. Bingo. For me: 1) Integration. The OS is integrated very well all around. How

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Adam Strohl
On 5/31/2012 1:20, David Chisnall wrote: I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before I do I'd like to get a better feel for why the rest of you are using FreeBSD. If you had to list the three things you

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Josh Beard
On 05/30/2012 12:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises excit

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Johan Hendriks
David Chisnall schreef: Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Vitaly Magerya
David Chisnall wrote: > If you had > to list the three things you most like about FreeBSD, which would you pick? 1. Large number of ports, including obscure programs other package system don't have. 2. Relatively straightforward system configuration (i.e. rc.conf), as opposed to options scattered

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Chris Nehren
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 19:20:31 +0100 , David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, ... and not wrapped at <80 characters. > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material > (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before > I do I'd like

Re: Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread Pierre-Luc Drouin
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David Chisnall wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it > to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. > > I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which

Why Are You Using FreeBSD?

2012-05-30 Thread David Chisnall
Hi Everyone, This is off-topic, so please feel free to disregard it, but I'm sending it to this list in the hope that it will reach a largish number of users. I am currently looking at updating some of our advocacy material (which advertises exciting new features like SMP support), and before