[Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Stephanos
Dear All I have an unusual situation. My Dell laptop has Linux on it, I want to use VirtuaBox (a tool I have used many times before on other laptops and PCs) but the BIOS does not support Virtualisation. An upgrade to the BIOS might so I want to upgrade the BIOS. Dell supply the BIOS upgrade i

Re: [Freedos-user] GNU General Public License...

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
I'm sorry Ralf, when did I actively characterize Richard Stallman alone as God's gift to the problem of software monopolies and hardware monopolies etcetera? That doesn't seem to be a respectful thing to push concerning Richard Stallman and what about other people in the open source movement for th

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 13:22, Stephanos wrote: > 1) Download one of the ISO files Fine > 2) Make a CD bootable What... why? > 3) Write my BIOS upgrade file to the memory stick > Then insert the CD into the laptop and > a) boot the laptop into DOS > b) Insert the memory stick and navigate to th

Re: [Freedos-user] GNU General Public License...

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 13:36, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote: > I can be a part of a healthy conversation, otherwise I have to respectfully > withdraw. Please do. -- Liam Proven – Profile: https://about.me/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk – gMail/gTalk/gHangouts: lpro...@gmail.com Twitt

Re: [Freedos-user] GNU General Public License...

2021-04-09 Thread tom ehlert
> I can be a part of a healthy conversation, > otherwise I have to respectfully withdraw. excellent idea Tom ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
Is your laptop SATA based internally or EIDE based? If you are EIDE based, you are actually in great shape. All is not lost either if you aren't EIDE based. Can you get away with something like a ReactOS 0.4.13 live CD to sort of give you Windows long enough to run the EXE and upgrade your BIOS? Ba

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Stephanos
Dear Liam Thanks for that. A little more info please 1) Which of the six options at the website (https://www.freedos.org/download/) are you suggesting I download. It is not possible to relate "FreeDOS 1.0..." to any of them. 2) Regarding "Boot, use F5 or Shift to bypass CONFIG.SYS/AUTOEXEC.BAT"

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
Ditch the memory stick even if you can do this from inside DOSBOX directly on top of Linux. It's worth a shot even if you have to swap in MS-DOS 6.22 temporarily or Windows 98SE DOS prompt temporarily in DOSBOX. If you can do this from within DOSBOX, you don't have to go get any media you may not a

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 14:31, Stephanos wrote: > > Dear Liam > > Thanks for that. A little more info please > 1) Which of the six options at the website > (https://www.freedos.org/download/) are you suggesting I download. I have used FreeDOS 1.0 for this in the past. All you need is to boot the c

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
A couple of questions, what model DELL laptop are you trying to update the BIOS on? What level of Windows or even MSDOS for that matter was the laptop originally designed to run? Clearly, this laptop has some USB so I'm guessing those are probably two USB 1.1 ports and I'm thinking the laptop is so

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Stephanos
Blimey you two, I have been bombarded with lots of info and questions. Here goes: Full spec of laptop here: https://www.comx-computers.co.za/laptop-specification-sheet.php?laptop=40065 I have used ReactOS in a virtual environment. So I have downloaded the live CD ISO burnt it to a DVD and boote

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Stephanos
Dear both again I should also say that 1) the BIOS upgrade file size is 1950KB 2) I have an external floppy drive but might not have floppies, I will search 3) I have an external USB CD/DVD reader/writer, that usually needs both of its 2 USB cables to power it when burning 4) There is some sort o

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! I do not understand where Windows and ReactOS are getting into the equation here. If you have Linux, you can search in your software center whether you find an app to install BIOS updates. If you have some DOS tool for that, you should run DOS for the tool, not Windows. As your update is mor

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
Got it, some end of the 32 bit era early 64 bit era laptop is what you have then. Interesting. Kubuntu 18.04, that is very current. It's okay if you don't have Zip or LS120 handy, I wouldn't go get one. So you have an external and internal CD burner that works, and I imagine you have some media as

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
I would definitely try booting the ReactOS Live image a flash drive instead of a DVD. Longer term, you may want to install vmware player, free by the way, and grab the vmware image for it from the ReactOS web site. You and I both Stefano are overly dependent on Virtualbox which is not very usable t

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Michael Christopher Robinson
Eric: Some version of Windows is what Dell expects him to have to update his BIOS, that's where that came in. ReactOS didn't fully start for him when he burned it to a DVD and tried to boot that DVD, but that isn't surprising considering that ReactOS has not even reached beta status yet. If he swi

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Stephanos
Dear Christopher Thanks. I am still absorbing the information from the others but here are a few additional questions 1) I have WINE on my laptop and run several MS applications. Is it safe to treat the BIOS upgrade file as an application and run it in WINE? 2) I could install DOS Box, which is

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Michael, so if I understand correctly, he has both DOS and Windows versions of the update tool. I would NOT recommend to run any of those in a virtual environment like DOSBOX and hope to have any effect on the actual hardware. So indeed, to use the DOS BIOS update tool, booting FreeDOS on the

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Stephanos, > 1) I have WINE on my laptop and run several MS applications.  Is it safe > to treat the BIOS upgrade file as an application and run it in WINE? That will not help. Wine can run Windows apps, but you want to update the BIOS in your real hardware, not inside a Wine window on Linux.

[Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Thomas Desi
Has anyone out there achieved programming the right mouse button to a modifier key, e.g. Control ? I can‘t find any info on the forum or at CTmouse (CuteMouse) in Freedos which otherwise works fine. Any ideas where to look? regards, Thom ___ Freedos-

Re: [Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi! > Has anyone out there achieved programming the right > mouse button to a modifier key, e.g. Control? > > I can‘t find any info on the forum or at CTmouse > (CuteMouse) in Freedos which otherwise works fine. Please explain your problem. Do you have a mouse with only one button and want cont

Re: [Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Thomas Desi
instead. Fair enough. Regards, Thom > On Fri,20210409- week14, at 20:03, Eric Auer wrote: > > > Hi! > >> Has anyone out there achieved programming the right >> mouse button to a modifier key, e.g. Control? >> >> I can‘t find any info on the forum or at

Re: [Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Eric Auer
Hi Thomas, > I have a (normal) two button mouse and want to change the behaviour > of a mouse button to act as if I pressed the »CONTROL« key on the > keyboard. > Use case: A DOS application where the mouse acts as a pointer without > the need to click. This suggests to use the mouse buttons for

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread tom ehlert
Hallo Herr Eric Auer, am Freitag, 9. April 2021 um 18:04 schrieben Sie: > Hi Stephanos, >> 1) I have WINE on my laptop and run several MS applications.  Is it safe >> to treat the BIOS upgrade file as an application and run it in WINE? > That will not help. Wine can run Windows apps, but you w

Re: [Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Bret Johnson
You might be able to use my MOUSKEYS program (available on my web site, http://bretjohnson.us. What MOUSKEYS is designed to do is let you use a mouse with programs that don't normally use a mouse (including using a mouse at the DOS prompt itself). It does this by mapping the various mouse actio

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 21:41, tom ehlert wrote: > It is safe but will not solve your problem. The BIOS updater .EXE is a > Windows program, and will only run on Windows. Tom, do not guess. Check, be sure, before you post. Here is the BIOS update: https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/drivers/

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 15:31, Stephanos wrote: > > I have used ReactOS in a virtual environment. To attempt to use an unfinished reverse-engineered clone of Windows to install a firmware upgrade is tantamount to suicide. You are positively asking for it to go wrong and corrupt your BIOS chip, turn

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 17:06, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi! I do not understand where Windows and ReactOS are > getting into the equation here. If you have Linux, you > can search in your software center whether you find an > app to install BIOS updates. The `fwupgmgr` tool does exist, but I find it d

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 17:39, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote: > > Some version of Windows is what Dell expects him to have to update his BIOS, > that's where that came in. No, it doesn't, and you are wrong. PLEASE stop giving ill-informed, bad and dangerous advice. -- Liam Proven – Profile:

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread tom ehlert
Liam, >> It is safe but will not solve your problem. The BIOS updater .EXE is a >> Windows program, and will only run on Windows. > Tom, do not guess. Check, be sure, before you post. > Here is the BIOS update: > https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/drivers/driversdetails?driverid=r281635&lw

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 17:42, Stephanos wrote: > 1) I have WINE on my laptop and run several MS applications. Is it safe > to treat the BIOS upgrade file as an application and run it in WINE? OMG *no!* Do not even try. It is _extremely_ unlikely to work, but if it does, it is extremely likely to

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Liam Proven
On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 23:36, tom ehlert wrote: > it's not. I know. but it's a file format that can transport both a DOS > and Windows executable in the same file. This is not correct. In fact this tech was possible before Windows 3.0 even launched; it was called a "family app" or "family mode".

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Stephanos
Dear All Thank you all for the contributions. I think we have reached the end. First let me mention that the BIOS version mentioned in the BIOS is A02. The later version is A05 and found here. https://www.dell.com/support/home/en-uk/product-support/servicetag/0-YXhUR091TFhQWVdkR0VXeUY0cTREQT09

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread tom ehlert
Liam, >> it's not. I know. but it's a file format that can transport both a DOS >> and Windows executable in the same file. > This is not correct. In fact this tech was possible before Windows 3.0 > even launched; it was called a "family app" or "family mode". probabaly it's a bit of hair splitt

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Eric Auer
Now that we have clarified that the BIOS update tool can be used with either Windows or DOS... >> get a copy of RUFUS for Linux. > https://www.how2shout.com/tools/rufus-for-linux-not-available-use-these-best-alternatives.html Those tools are mostly for making bootable USB sticks from ISO image

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Tomas By
On Fri, 09 Apr 2021 23:50:53 +0200, Stephanos wrote: > So I decided that it was slightly easier to put back Windows 7. > [...] I copied the BIOS update version A05 file onto the HDD. > I executed it with a double click. I got the usual messages about > closing all other programmes. I clicked OK. No

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Jon Brase
> Is there a reason  why no such almost trivial thing exists? both for windows and linux, less then 500 MB? Two reasons: 1) Because a standard system utility for disk imaging exists on Linux (or any other Unix-like, for that matter), which has been around since before Linux, or even DOS was aro

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user
> I have an unusual situation. My Dell laptop has Linux on it, I want to > use VirtuaBox (a tool I have used many times before on other laptops and > PCs) but the BIOS does not support Virtualisation. An upgrade to the > BIOS might so I want to upgrade the BIOS. Dell supply the BIOS upgrade > in

Re: [Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Ralf Quint
On 4/9/2021 11:28 AM, Thomas Desi wrote: Hi Eric, thanks for responding. I have a (normal) two button mouse and want to change the behaviour of a mouse button to act as if I pressed the »CONTROL« key on the keyboard. Use case: A DOS application where the mouse acts as a pointer without the nee

Re: [Freedos-user] Using a USB stick and an optical drive

2021-04-09 Thread Jon Brase
> Full spec of laptop here: https://www.comx-computers.co.za/laptop-specification-sheet.php?laptop=40065 The CPU is listed as a Pentium T4500, which is a processor from 2010-ish using the Penryn-L microarchitecture. Intel processors in that market segment didn't have virtualization support feat

Re: [Freedos-user] CTMouse Buttons programming?

2021-04-09 Thread Adam Nielsen via Freedos-user
> DOS itself doesn't use/support any mouse, it is up to an application to > interpret the responses given through the INT 33h API, which is > implemented either by the BIOS or a "driver" (TSR_ like CTMouse. While > probably not completely impossible to add another TSR that would > intercept INT

Re: [Freedos-user] GNU General Public License...

2021-04-09 Thread Ralf Quint
On 4/9/2021 4:31 AM, Michael Christopher Robinson wrote: I'm sorry Ralf, when did I actively characterize Richard Stallman alone as God's gift to the problem of software monopolies and hardware monopolies etcetera?  That doesn't seem to be a respectful thing to push concerning Richard Stallman