[FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Anybody?   A lot of talk this morning about voting machine security.  Somebody made the point that nobody has ever hacked into a voting system in a manner that others might detect.  (No, this is NOT a tautology)  I wasnt sure I understood, but it seemed that there was something analogus to a che

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread James Steiner
I found this overview to be very informative, rather alarming, and only as technical as minimally needed. On arstechnica website: http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars Also available as a free, PDF: (PDF Link) http://arstechnica.com/etc/How_to_steal_an_election-ArsTechnica.pdf Al

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Robert Holmes
As someone who doesn't have a vote here, I'm appalled by how little those who do have a vote care about it being stolen. See http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html for a discussion of the media's lack of coverage of the Ohio thefts.ROn 11/6/06, James Steiner < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I found

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread PPARYSKI
Today's NYT had an OpEd by Bob Herbert on voting problems and issues.  Perhaps those concerned progressives involved in IT, computers, complexity and software should investigate electronic voting and its inherent weaknesses that allow both unintentional and intentional errors.  Perhaps the U

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread George Duncan
Perhaps the leading national figure on the security of voting machines is Michael Shamos, a PhD computer scientist and attorney who is on the faculty at Carnegie Mellon. See his testimony http://www.house.gov/science/hearings/ets04/jun24/shamos.pdf and his vita http://euro.ecom.cmu.edu/people/facu

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Owen Densmore
The Freakonomics guys said at one time that we need to be clear about the natural errors within any system, and when the vote is closer than that error value, decide on what to do about a "tie" rather than fretting about chads, hackers, broken machines and so on. Basically voting like any ot

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Phil Henshaw
Well, Jimmy Carter does a lot of election monitoring and said last week that the US wouldn't meet the world standard because candidates don't have equal access to the media... > > > Today's NYT had an OpEd by Bob Herbert on voting problems and issues. > Perhaps those concerned progressives

[FRIAM] Free to a good home for anyone still listening to CDs.

2006-11-06 Thread Bruce Abell
I have a nice Sony 5-CD carousel playback deck (Model Sony CDP-C435) to give away. I've just supplanted it with a 300-CD jukebox, so I don't need it anymore. It has a headphone jack and output level control (in addition to the usual outputs to an amplifier), and I've had it connected directly to so

[FRIAM] CD player is claimed

2006-11-06 Thread Bruce Abell
The cd player has been claimed, and remarkably quickly at that.   --Bruce-- Bruce AbellSanta Fe Associates International7 Morning GlorySanta Fe, NM  87506Tel: 505 660 5251www.santafeassociates.com My preferred e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==

[FRIAM] MESUR Project at LANL

2006-11-06 Thread Marko A. Rodriguez
Andrew W. Mellon Foundation funds two-year LANL project for the development of metrics derived from scholarly usage data.Los Alamos, New Mexico, November 6th 2006 - The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation has awarded funding to Los Alamos National Laboratory (LANL) in support of the two-year MESUR project

Re: [FRIAM] Free to a good home for anyone still listening to CDs.

2006-11-06 Thread Jenny Quillien
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Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Robert Holmes
The NY Times op-ed piece by Conley that Paul references above also makes the point that counting is a statistical process. Unfortunately this is a red herring - yes it's an effect but it is swamped by the other systemic  abuses. Here's a paragraph from a Rolling Stone piece ( http://www.rollingston

[FRIAM] New issue of JASSS

2006-11-06 Thread Robert Holmes
Latest issue of JASSS has just appeared: http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/JASSS.htmlIt includes a Netlogo simulation of a malfunctioning road traffic junction in India. Not - unfortunately - the one that we saw the video of earlier this year. Robert

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Michael Gizzi
I was impressed that when I voted on Friday (Colorado has early voting), that the touch screen was attached to a printer that printed out each of my responses.  This was not present when voting in 2004; sure... its still possible to mess with the system, but the print out provides a bit more confid

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Giles Bowkett
On 11/6/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Today's NYT had an OpEd by Bob Herbert on voting problems and issues. > Perhaps those concerned progressives involved in IT, computers, complexity > and software should investigate electronic voting and its inherent > weaknesses that allow

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Owen Densmore
Won't the electronic voting at least provide a hope for analysis, especially of "irregularities"? -- Owen Owen Densmore http://backspaces.net FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. Joh

Re: [FRIAM] voting machine tampering

2006-11-06 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
Robert Holmes wrote: > These are not statistical anomalies > Provided our officials and organizations are involved, you can be sure whatever happens is a necessary result of sound leadership and sociality. Now please return to your regularly scheduled CSI Miami followed by the local TV news.