[FRIAM] Fwd: TED2010, Blaise Aguera y Arcas demos new augmented-reality mapping technology

2010-02-15 Thread Tom Johnson
Interesting stuff to come. Blaise Aguera y Arcas demos augmented-reality maps | Video on TED.com www.ted.com TED Talks In a demo that drew gasps at TED2010, B

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
glen e. p. ropella wrote: the concept of "legitimate power" is, at best, shaky or, at worst, self-contradictory. Either the power is there, or it's not. And if it is there, it's not the power that riles us; it's the actions of the powerful. E.g. many of us have the power to take another's life

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Eric Smith circa 10-02-15 09:27 AM: > What does this have to do with rights etc.? The notion of right > presumably is the partner of the notion of responsibility, and the only > interesting sense in which I have a "right" to something is the sense in > which you feel a responsibility to

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Marcus Daniels circa 10-02-15 01:44 PM: > To me -- to the extent the concept of `rights' is meaningful -- `rights' > are the just kind of entitlements that when restricted, either 1) result > in the granters of the entitlements being removed from power, or 2) > increasingly strict contro

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Owen Densmore
On Feb 15, 2010, at 11:15 AM, John Kennison wrote: I was thinking about what Eric said and realized that I don't know what happens if an uninsured person suddenly needs massive medical treatment to avoid death or crippling consequences. If he can't pay, do we just let him suffer the conseque

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Below, my defense of John and Doug's reply. I accidentally responded off list. -- I wrote > > >Well Doug, "yes, sort-of, and no". > >Yes: Obviously, lots of people die every day. Obviously, lots of those people are disadvantaged in terms of access to health care. Obviously, given the bes

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Tom Vest
On Feb 15, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Eric Smith wrote: > Nick et al., > > A thought on rights, not well-formed. It comes from reading some of Dan > Dennett's work on free will and causation, and wondering how I would frame > the terms differently if I were not drawing on the long philosophical > tra

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
glen e. p. ropella wrote: I'm denying that they _are_ rights. And no amount of [..] stamping about shouting about "what should be" will change that. To me -- to the extent the concept of `rights' is meaningful -- `rights' are the just kind of entitlements that when restricted, either 1) result

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Robert J. Cordingley circa 02/15/2010 10:07 AM: > I think you argue *for* the UDHR! It is not a statement of 'what is' > but 'what should be'. Abstractly, yes. Concretely, no. Let's take Article I: "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Douglas Roberts
Did someone just take a rare peek at the view outside of his Ivory Tower? Pardon me for commenting, but that is one of the more naive questions I've heard in a *very* long time. So, to bring you up to speed: there is a huge homeless community in this country from which members die every day due

[FRIAM] Fwd: {JTM} High speed on your hip

2010-02-15 Thread Tom Johnson
-- Forwarded message -- From: "Bentley, Clyde" Date: Feb 15, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: {JTM} High speed on your hip To: "jtml...@googlegroups.com" , " rji-fell...@googlegroups.com" The mobile industry announced a fast-track adoption of a single standard for high-speed 4G today. I’m

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread John Kennison
I was thinking about what Eric said and realized that I don't know what happens if an uninsured person suddenly needs massive medical treatment to avoid death or crippling consequences. If he can't pay, do we just let him suffer the consequences? At this point, I just want to find out what the

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
I think you argue *for* the UDHR! It is not a statement of 'what is' but 'what should be'. It provides a common ground of understanding and says quit arguing, this is it, this is where we need to be. It can form a basis for common law if you don't have one in your emerging country, state, et

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Eric Smith
Nick et al., A thought on rights, not well-formed. It comes from reading some of Dan Dennett's work on free will and causation, and wondering how I would frame the terms differently if I were not drawing on the long philosophical tradition in discussing this subject, but rather from the

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Roger Critchlow circa 02/15/2010 09:04 AM: > I think Glen was just working up a Presidents Day troll. The day we > celebrate the births of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln is the > perfect day to appear to deny that "rights" exist. Heh, I wish! I'm not smart enough to pull that

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I stand by "rights talk is madness", but Glen may MAY have taken it a bit too far for me. Quine said something like, "if we had to reason our way to good behavior, the human race would have died long ago." Empathy and caregiving are as natural to human beings as lust. So, while talk

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
I think Glen was just working up a Presidents Day troll. The day we celebrate the births of George Washington and Abraham Lincoln is the perfect day to appear to deny that "rights" exist. But I think he really means that their existence is problematic, and if you scan the Wikipedia article on rig

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Glen See http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ and don't skip the bit that says "disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind". A right isn't a natural consequence... but then I think you jest. Thanks Robert On 2/15/10 8

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Douglas Roberts circa 02/14/2010 02:19 PM: > So here's mine: we'll either evolve a set of ethics and a level of > intelligence, and a maturity to finally do the right thing with a > certain degree of consistency, or we won't. I'm not holding my breath > though; I would't take even mone

[FRIAM] freedom's laboratory

2010-02-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
Via the Arts and Letters Daily, http://www.aldaily.com/, a review of Timothy Ferris' book about science and liberal democracy, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/books/review/Rosen-t.html, which brings us back to the question of innovation, and back to whether google is a company with a technical vi

Re: [FRIAM] Health care [was Sources of Innovation]

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Thus spake Nicholas Thompson circa 02/14/2010 10:49 AM: > Rights talk is madness. That's the most true sentence I've seen on this mailing list. [grin] Nobody has a right to anything. Some of us are lucky enough to be in the right social classes to take advantage of particular legal systems; but

Re: [FRIAM] Sources of Innovation

2010-02-15 Thread glen e. p. ropella
But, Owen, we're already doing all this! Literally, everything you mention is already in process. The trick is that our perspectives don't allow us to see the whole process. We're in the middle of all these changes and each of us, including our organizations, for-profit or not, are all just tin