Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
That's a Golden Orb spider. We had a whole crop hatch out this summer, and now have one grand dame living on our back portal. We feed her moths. --Doug -- Doug Roberts drobe...@rti.org d...@parrot-farm.net 505-455-7333 - Office 505-670-8195 - Cell On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cor

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Alison Jones
After 10 years of lurking something I can finally comment on. In no particlular order: Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy Winter's Tale by Mark Helprin Dead Souls by Nikolai Gogol Midnight's Children by Salman Rushdie Sometime a Great Notion by Ken Kesey Beloved by Toni Morrison Middlemarch by George

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Steve re: Brown... You have to pick specific volumes! Sorry if I didn't make that clear, otherwise someone could suggest a decalogy and 9 others, ie 19 works! Thanks Robert C On 10/8/10 11:22 PM, Stephen Guerin wrote: I'd add "Sometimes a Great Notion", by Ken Kesey and pretty much any vol

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Stephen Guerin
I'd add "Sometimes a Great Notion", by Ken Kesey and pretty much any volume of Encyclopedia Brown. That kid can solve anything. -S _ step...@redfish.com (m) 505-216-6226 (o) 505-995-0206 sfcomplex.org | simtable.com | ambientpixel.co

Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010!

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Sorry, my comment was meant to have been offline to Robert. For some reason, “reply” sometimes gets me the list, rather than the writer to the list. My bad. Most list-serves set the reply-to: in the header to the list itself so that the default reply *is* to the list. It gets me

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
Trying to reduce a high-dimensional and subjective data set to a one-dimensional well-ordered set is a fools errand. I love hearing other's favorites and opinions of what makes a work of fiction literature and what makes one work better than another. I think Jack's criteria here are somewhat

Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010!

2010-10-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Sorry, my comment was meant to have been offline to Robert. For some reason, “reply” sometimes gets me the list, rather than the writer to the list. My bad. As to the response, I can’t tell whether it’s feminist-nasty or just dumb, but for the record, I am the family cook. Robert, I

[FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Jack Stafurik
Hold on, y'all! If we are looking for the "10 Best", we must start (if we are to claim any semblance to a "scientific/technical" approach) with an agreed set of evaluation criteria, and objective metrics to measure each. Then, we need to develop a set of candidate literary works (where did I put m

Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
I know them, by the way, to get quite a bit bigger... like an inch or more across (body only) and range from pasty brown to pasty white (uglier)... Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside

Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
My $.02 It looks (and by description of it's web) like what I know of as an "Orb Web" Spider. Common enough in Northern NM and harmless (to humans) despite the sinister (downright ugly?) look. There seem to be a *lot* of spiders referred to as "orb web" including /Araneus gemmoides/

Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Scott R. Powell
The Araneus Pima orb weaver? http://bugguide.net/node/view/13512/bgimage Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Roger Frye wrote: > We have one outside our front door tonight, and it hides during the day. > It seems to be harmless, and the back looks like a smiley face. > We think it is

Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Carl Tollander
Black Widows - Shiny long legs, hourglass on back - worry some, as they can get agressive and the bites are persistently painful. Ubiquitous and the big one's can be resilient against 2x4's. They make more. Lots more. Brown Recluse - All brown, hides in slight creases on a newspaper - worry

Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Scott R. Powell
Probably the common orb weaver, of which there are many varieties, capable of great feats of engineering - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb-weaver_spider It's not going to come in the house but I wouldn't try picking one up. Scott Powell Sent from my iPad On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:59 PM, "Robert

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Carl Tollander
Well, like an exercise program, the best books are the one's one actually rereads. I was that liberal arts major, until I came across computer science, then all was lost, then complexity and developmental biology, and all was *really* lost...virtually nothing on the English major curriculum i

Re: [FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Roger Frye
We have one outside our front door tonight, and it hides during the day. It seems to be harmless, and the back looks like a smiley face. We think it is an orange crab spider (google that for images). On Oct 8, 2010, at 7:59 PM, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > Hoping there's someone on this list t

Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010!

2010-10-08 Thread Julia Susemihl
really? does she pack your clothes as well? > From: nickthomp...@earthlink.net > To: friam@redfish.com > Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 18:50:09 -0600 > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010! > > Weird to say, but I don't read that much fiction. > > My wife feeds my stuff from time t

[FRIAM] Name this spider

2010-10-08 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Hoping there's someone on this list that knows something about spiders in New Mexico... There were two of these hanging out just on the outside of my house in Santa Fe. One had made a large somewhat circular web about 2 ft across. At night it would sit in the middle, during the day it would

Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010!

2010-10-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Weird to say, but I don't read that much fiction. My wife feeds my stuff from time to time and I read it. I will ask her what I like. N -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley Sent: Friday, October 08, 20

Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010!

2010-10-08 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Hey Nick, That's funny - may be it was Frank's recommendation that kicked things off. But what are your top 10. So far seven titles have been recommended more than once! Stay tuned. Thanks Robert On 10/8/10 6:23 PM, Nicholas Thompson wrote: Robert, Didn't I hear you complain once that n

Re: [FRIAM] The most productive Thread of 2010!

2010-10-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Robert, Didn't I hear you complain once that nobody ever paid attention to your posts? You hit paydirt THIS time. Nick -Original Message- From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Robert J. Cordingley Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 1:45 PM To

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Lists like this are always a bit odd. I got dressed down last night (gently but firmly) by a professor of English who couldn't believe that I thought Brothers K. was the most tedious thing I've ever read half of (couldn't drive myself to read the second half). I like other Dostoevsky--just

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - Geeze, doesn't anybody like good science fiction any more? Larry Nivin's Ringworld. Poul Anderson's Gateway series. I love that shit (much of SF)... but don't quite want to call most of it literature... great storytelling and exposition of esoteric scientific concepts... but not qu

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
R - So I take it that our working definition of "best" is "will look good on the coffee table and impress liberal arts graduates" rather than "will be read and enjoyed"? ;-) I don't think that was the original question. Is it evidenced in some of the answers? Or is this just Doug spoofing yo

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
Geeze, doesn't anybody like good science fiction any more? Larry Nivin's Ringworld. Poul Anderson's Gateway series. --Doug On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > I've just been reading a collection of Twain's writings on writing itself. > > Therefore I have to offer the classic

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Hugh Trenchard wrote circa 10-10-08 02:56 PM: > The Glass Bead Game, by Hermann Hesse, is a must-read for any > self-respecting complexity theorist :-) +1 I was also _very_ fond of Narcissus and Goldmund... Oh! Oh! and Siddhartha and Steppenwolf, as well. I'd also add the following to the list

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Steve Smith
I've just been reading a collection of Twain's writings on writing itself. Therefore I have to offer the classic Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. It is the classic American Novel, and not just (though especially) for young men. I squirm at Frank's recommendation of (anything by?) Cormac McCa

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Robert Holmes
So I take it that our working definition of "best" is "will look good on the coffee table and impress liberal arts graduates" rather than "will be read and enjoyed"? ;-) -- R P.S. Also: when selecting foreign authors you must specify the translation if you are going to maximize your pseud points.

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Scott R. Powell
Here 'tis for *gor nisht -* http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/12914/pg12914.html On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Scott R. Powell wrote: > Good grief, I have that as a Little Blue Book published by E. > Haldeman-Julius, falling apart on high acid content paper. > > Scott > > On Fri, Oct 8, 2010

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread George Duncan
Restricting to just novels -- "Ulysses" by James Joyce "A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" by James Joyce "Moby Dick" (1849) by Herman Melville "The Sound and the Fury" (1929) by William Faulkner "The Brothers Karamazov" by Fyodor Dostoyevsky "Crime and Punishment: by Fyodor Dostoyevsky "A

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Hugh Trenchard
The Glass Bead Game, by Hermann Hesse, is a must-read for any self-respecting complexity theorist :-) Hugh - Original Message - From: "Robert J. Cordingley" To: "The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group" Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 12:44 PM Subject: [FRIAM] The Best 10

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Scott R. Powell
Good grief, I have that as a Little Blue Book published by E. Haldeman-Julius, falling apart on high acid content paper. Scott On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Paul Paryski wrote: > Take a look at this: > > [image: ISBN: 9781116904437 - One Hundred Best > Books]

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Paul Paryski
Take a look at this: One Hundred Best Books John Cowper Powys ISBN10: 1116904438 ISBN13: 9781116904437 Publisher: BiblioLife, LLC Format: Paperback Publication date: 07 Nov 2009 cheers, Paul -Original Message- From: q...@aol.com To: friam@redfish.com Sent: Fri, Oct 8, 2010 3:39

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread qef
Robert -- The St. John's graduate in me says "whoopie"! Here are 10, in no particular order: Shakespeare: Sonnets Shakespeare: Romeo & Juliet Dante: The Divine Comedy Homer: The Iliad Tolstoy: War & Peace Cervantes: Don Quixote Eliot: Middlemarch Austen: Pride & Prejudice Fitzgerald: The Great G

Re: [FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Russell Standish
I would have to vote for the Bible. Its arguably not great fiction, but its probably the most influential work of fiction in the English language. Cheers ;). On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 01:44:31PM -0600, Robert J. Cordingley wrote: > Ok, so I've decided my literary education is somewhat lacking and

[FRIAM] The Best 10 Fictional Works

2010-10-08 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Ok, so I've decided my literary education is somewhat lacking and would like to know this group's recommendations for the "10 Best Literary Works" I should read. They have to be works of fiction and available in English and not just say of 2009 but of all time. Google searches tend to list t