Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

2016-03-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
[NST==>So, I take it that from this last sentence, in red, you would define hunger as a pattern of activity in the brain that is predictive of feeding behavior, right. But not all feeding behavior, right? Only feeding behavior that is preceded by deprivation? What if you got feeding behavio

[FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

2016-03-02 Thread Owen Densmore
Clever! .. and my yearly read on what's wrong with science: ​​ http://quillette.com/2016/02/15/the-unbearable-asymmetry-of-bullshit/ ​ -- Owen​ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's Co

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

2016-03-02 Thread Stephen Guerin
From the end of Owen's article: “The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.” -Alberto Brandolini *Bullshit Science* then appears to be a spontaneous entropy-producing process from which one can construct local devices to extract work ;-

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

2016-03-02 Thread glen
On 03/02/2016 09:12 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: http://quillette.com/2016/02/15/the-unbearable-asymmetry-of-bullshit/ "When I say bullshit, I mean arguments, data, publications, or even the official policies of scientific organizations that give every impression of being perfectly reasonable — o

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

2016-03-02 Thread Eric Charles
Russ, I'm going through past notes in relation to my talk tomorrow. I think this addresses your question: There have been many attempts to define Radical Behaviorism. Most attempts are in terms of inclusion and exclusion, i.e. what radical behaviorists talk about, and what they do not talk about.

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2016-03-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
"Earp is guilty of the precise fallacy of which he accuses others, building a straw man named Voldemort, then pelting it with self-righteous insults and indignation. What's that? A 1,720 word article full of bias and myopia?!? How much effort would it take to argue with Earp's bullsh!t? ... t

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

2016-03-02 Thread glen
It seems fairly clear to me that we have 2 competing ways to estimate future behavior: 1) track and collate past inputs and outputs of the person, versus 2) represent the state machine of the person. The state of the person is a function of its past inputs (and outputs, assuming cycles). So,

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2016-03-02 Thread glen
On 03/02/2016 11:31 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: He's doing it in the open, though, and can be flamed in the open by individuals like you. As opposed to sneaky behavior of threating editors and such. I disagree. He _seems_ like he's doing it in the open. That's part of his purposefully construc

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity, intimacy, experience

2016-03-02 Thread Russ Abbott
Thanks Glen. For me even the state machine isn't quite enough. A state machine version wouldn't even in principle distinguish between a robot/zombie and a living being. One might argue that there is no difference, but I'm not ready to go there. Also, I liked my square-root-of-2 analogy. I hope som

Re: [FRIAM] The Unbearable Asymmetry of Bullshit | Quillette

2016-03-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
``To boot, the ridicule/shaming/intimidation tactics they practice reach far beyond the open public spaces in which they spout their ridicule. (Think Dawkins.) It can pry into the very souls of younger community members and haunt the dreams of authentic researchers. Is this really very "open"?'