Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Nick, Thanks for the response. I think you answered my questions but, because your answers seem to confirm a conclusion I came to prior to the answers, I need to check if I have it correct. The key issue, for me is in question 4 and your answer ... > 4- If we had a "consensus" enumeration of

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

If I read this post with a little empathy, it seems very provocative, indeed. Good job. You start by striking a posture of checking your "in your own words" with Nick's. But you end with the suggestion that Pierce's work has nothing to offer in understanding what knowledge is, etc. And you obvi

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Hi Glen, Your analysis is excellent but the post is missing what is actually an important bit of information re: my quest that Nick would likely recall but is not in the post. I am interested in whether or not various approaches to epistemology are applicable to "knowledge" obtained from mystic

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Peirce --- Frank C. Wimberly, PhD 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, 8:59 AM Prof David West wrote: > Hi Glen, > > Your analysis is excellent but the post is missing what is actually an > important bit of information re: my quest that Nick would likely recall but > is not in the po

[FRIAM] Graal VM

I've recently used the Graal VM for its inclusion of FastR . As always, this provoked a lot of churning amongst my Homunculi. I keep my Stay-Liberated Homunculi at bay by pointing out the GPL of the community edition. But t

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Interesting. My guess is that we could fold Peirce (thanks Frank -- I'm the victim, here! 8^) into a particular *kind* of mystical tradition. I'm no scholar. But it seems to me that mystics come in 2 flavors, those who believe cause (a derivative of existence) is merely occult versus those who b

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Glen writes: < Oracle employees plan to walk off the job after boss holds pro-Trump fundraiser https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/13/21136577/larry-ellison-fundraiser-donald-trump-oracle-employees > Looking at it from the perspective of the gig economy, where employees are human resources

[FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

Geez, Dave, There's an awful lot here. Do you mean to take the hardest case? A person? And particularly a person who has been so much in all our faces that it's hard for most of us to think of him rationally, if at all? Let's take a simpler example. An example that Peirce takes is tra

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

On first skim, I agreed with you. But now I think I disagree. My point was that the rise of the Celebrity-Queen (e.g. Trump), where power is further focused into the hands of whichever cheeper-by-the-dozen human that occupies that seat, willing or not, we're further consolidating *all* organizat

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

< But now, that era is coming to an end. It's more true now that Turkey *is* Erdoğan, the US *is* Trump, Oracle is Ellison, etc. > My point, putting on my anarchist hat, is that is less bad if the organizations are deeply compromised in the process. If Oracle doesn't make it in light of Micr

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

But the point this misses is that the *tests* change the world. If you only do a test once, then you only change the world a tiny bit. If you do a test an infinity of times, then the world will stabilize to give results to the test. This long-term convergence thing is self-fulfilling. On 2/20/2

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Right. But if I'm right and the *trend* is toward unitarity in the executive, then the trend is *against* breaking up the organizations for which they are vessels. The Oracle (and Google) employees are tilting at windmills in a hopeless quest. They *are* useful idiots because they don't know the

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Great discussions as always (or at least often) here.   What I find missing in both this thread and the Peirce/Pragmatist one Dave started is the structural aspects of our sociopolitical scene that creates a low-dimensional (often just one), polarizing landscape where those with more power (econom

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

< Right. But if I'm right and the *trend* is toward unitarity in the executive, then the trend is *against* breaking up the organizations for which they are vessels. The Oracle (and Google) employees are tilting at windmills in a hopeless quest. They *are* useful idiots because they don't know

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Re: the *need* to reduce -- This post comes to mind: Richard Dawkins Claims Eugenics Works. He’s Wrong. https://skepchick.org/2020/02/richard-dawkins-claims-eugenics-works-hes-wrong/ > You can’t get a lot of attention by talking about them 280 characters at a > time on Twitter. Even though she'

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Ha! Yeah, OK. Said that way, I have no choice but to agree. On 2/20/20 10:22 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > I'm claiming a mismanaged organization that is burning through a lot of money > is more likely to have a rapid unplanned disassembly event. The unitarity in > the executive increases the pro

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Dave, I confess I did not see the “ecstatic” context of your question: Is here any place in pragmatism for knowledge gained in “special” states of consciousness. I think The Goose that Laid the Golden Egg is a fable about consciousness. Conscioiusness, as we experience it in everday life

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

Happy to make your day. What would you think about where it not for I? Transubstantiation is a happy example for what i am asking and why I said I feel I must leave Peirce behind. Take your first paragraph as a given except that I am not Nick, but an alchemist, a master of a tradition with all

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

WeWork comes to mind On Thu, Feb 20, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > < Right. But if I'm right and the *trend* is toward unitarity in the > executive, then the trend is *against* breaking up the organizations > for which they are vessels. The Oracle (and Google) employees are >

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Glen - > But your larger point is well-taken. Sometimes, the full swath of (high > dimensional) exploratory search is more appropriate than low-dimensional > reducing collectivism of exploitation. But when and how do we force the > system into an anarchist mode of exploration? thanks for this q

Re: [FRIAM] question for pragmatists and Piercians among us

Hi, Dave, See Larding below: Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of

Re: [FRIAM] A longer response to Dave's question

Dave, Now that Glen points it out, I am beginning to feel a bit trapped, here. Peirce is looking at exactly the transition from alchemy to chemistry as an example of how, if one keep spinning out the practicial consequences of ones attributions, eventually minds will be changed and conv

Re: [FRIAM] Graal VM

Steve writes: < "But when and how do we force the system into an anarchist mode of exploration?" I don't know the term off the top of my head, but I think there is one which fits a similar role to that of annealing (both in materials science and computer simulation) where the dimensionality is "